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Run-ins with pit bull reportedly led Zimmerman, wife to get guns(edited)

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dontworrybehappy said:
Anyone else notice a level of hypocrisy in this thread that is pretty high? Let me explain.

How many times, in the other two threads, did we hear "He went against the instructions of the cops and followed Zimmerman?" Well, this time, he FOLLOWED the instructions of the cops and he is STILL being ridiculed.

I'm beginning to wonder what this man could do that would honestly and truly make some people happy.

Maggie, nobody told him to "shoot the dog." He was instructed to carry a gun. I took a concealed carry course. I was instructed to carry a gun, I was never told to shoot anyone. Big difference.
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Exactly. How many times in other threads did someone go on about how important zimmerman's past was because it showed his character and state of mind? But when a story comes out that doesn't paint him as a violent cop/wife beating loser, suddenly it is irrelevant.

Hypocrisy indeed
 
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dontworrybehappy said:
NOT IN SELF DEFENSE!!!!

You truly are clueless to a level never experienced before on this forum.
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Pit bulls that are on the loose are illegal.. You call animal control. That's what mature adults do.
 
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sharon said:
Pit bulls that are on the loose are illegal.. You call animal control. That's what mature adults do.
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And if this thing is charging at you when you're out walking around legally, ya know, what you said Martin had a right to do? Apparently Zimmerman doesn't have the same rights Martin does.

You pick up a phone, I pick up a gun.
 
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buck said:
I'm really not intersted in arguing it, but if the story is false, Zimmerman sure had been laying his plans to kill Martin for a long time - even having the forsight to tell his friend what the animal control officer had told him.
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Who's to say he ever told his friend, or if he did, when he did so? It's easy to call a pal after the fact to come forward to help with alibis. Animal control officers enforce city regulations on the care and welfare of animals. They don't recommend shooting them. Especially in residential areas.
 
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dontworrybehappy said:
And if this thing is charging at you? You pick up a phone, I pick up a gun.
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Go indoors.. get in your car. Let Animal control deal with stray and/or dangerous animals.

The story is a lie... don't you get that yet?
 
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Manc Skipper said:
Oscar said it. "The point of the story..." The story is made up to excuse Zimmerman's having a gun, like the story that he's in hiding, afraid for his life. The stories feed into his defence that he's somehow a victim in the killing.
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Yeah, it's all a big conspiracy that Zimmerman started over 3 years ago for the sole purpose of killing an innocent black guy. Animal control, the local news, the eyewitnesses, the county DA...they are all in on it. :roll:
 
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OscarB63 said:
Yeah, it's all a big conspiracy that Zimmerman started over 3 years ago for the sole purpose of killing an innocent black guy. Animal control, the local news, the eyewitnesses, the county DA...they are all in on it. :roll:
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He lied to his friend.. and his friend repeated the story to a reporter.
 
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sharon said:
There are better ways to deal with menacing dogs and their idiot owners than firing gun in a subdivision full of kids that play outdoors.
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Actually, 1 aimed bullet at close range while the children are being kept away from said menacing dog anyway, is quite reasonable and efficient.

sharon said:
Plus, shooting a firearm within city limits often means a hefty fine.
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Please search for the term "unlawful discharge" in your local city code. You will find that discharge for the reason of self defense is not a crime.
 
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Manc Skipper said:
Who's to say he ever told his friend, or if he did, when he said so?
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The friend is the one that related the story. Geesh.
 
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buck said:
The friend is the one that related the story. Geesh.
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Declared Dangerous Dogs List Residing in Seminole County

Declared Dangerous Dogs List Residing in Seminole County


Each year Animal Services receives and investigates dozens of complaints about potential dangerous dogs. Some investigations result in a dog being declared a dangerous dog in accordance with the Florida Statutes, Chapter 767, and the Seminole County Code, Chapter 20.

Listed below are the declared dangerous dogs residing in Seminole County. This list includes a picture of the dog, where the dog lives, the dog’s name and breed, the date the dog was declared a dangerous dog and the dog’s registration number.

The location and appearance of these dogs is provided to both inform and educate the public.

Persons owning a declared dangerous dog are required to protect the public from the dog. These dogs must either be confined or restrained at all times as mandated by law.

If you see a dog on this list and the dog is neither confined nor restrained, please report your observation to Animal Services by calling 407-665-5110. This number is answered 24 hours a day, 7 days a week. We will respond and investigate the complaint.
 
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buck said:
The friend is the one that related the story. Geesh.
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Declared Dangerous Dogs List Residing in Seminole County

Declared Dangerous Dogs List Residing in Seminole County


Each year Animal Services receives and investigates dozens of complaints about potential dangerous dogs. Some investigations result in a dog being declared a dangerous dog in accordance with the Florida Statutes, Chapter 767, and the Seminole County Code, Chapter 20.

Listed below are the declared dangerous dogs residing in Seminole County. This list includes a picture of the dog, where the dog lives, the dog’s name and breed, the date the dog was declared a dangerous dog and the dog’s registration number.

The location and appearance of these dogs is provided to both inform and educate the public.

Persons owning a declared dangerous dog are required to protect the public from the dog. These dogs must either be confined or restrained at all times as mandated by law.

If you see a dog on this list and the dog is neither confined nor restrained, please report your observation to Animal Services by calling 407-665-5110. This number is answered 24 hours a day, 7 days a week. We will respond and investigate the complaint.
 
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MaggieD said:
The most effective being bashing the owner over the head with a hammer. These dogs have been just ruined by the reputation rightly earned by irresponsible owners.
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They are called pit bulls because they are bred to win fights. This requires strength, agility, and the temperament to attack anything in their way. Granted the owners did this, but doesn't change the fact that they account for most of the dog fatalities in the US. Rottweilers, the second most dangerous, half as many. Together they account for around 70% of the dog related fatalities. Less than 10% of the dogs in the US.

I would be interested in knowing those methods of dealing with vicious dogs that are far better than a firearm.
 
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Hey wait wait wait.

I'm going to play Thunder now.

Prove it's a lie!!

This should be fun.
 
Re: George Zimmerman had gun to fend off pit bull

dontworrybehappy said:
NOT IN SELF DEFENSE!!!!

You truly are clueless to a level never experienced before on this forum.

How can you say it's a lie?? Because it actually shows Zimmerman as a normal person concerned with his safety? Did you even read the damn link? HIS WIFE GOT A CCW LICENCE TOO!!! :roll:
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I think you misunderstand MY post, DWBH. First, I'm actually on Z's side in this debacle. I just don't happen to believe that an animal control officer gave serious professional advice to "get a gun" as a solution to a pit bull running around loose in a subdivision. It doesn't make any difference in the scheme of things. I can picture a guy saying, off-hand, to get one . . . but not in his professional capacity.

Nevertheless, I don't think it makes much difference. He bought and carried a gun legally. What difference does it make why he got one?

There are others on this thread that are using it to say, "Lies-Lies-More-Lies," to help this case!!! That's not me.
 
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jimbo said:
They are called pit bulls because they are bred to win fights. This requires strength, agility, and the temperament to attack anything in their way. Granted the owners did this, but doesn't change the fact that they account for most of the dog fatalities in the US. Rottweilers, the second most dangerous, half as many. Together they account for around 70% of the dog related fatalities. Less than 10% of the dogs in the US.

I would be interested in knowing those methods of dealing with vicious dogs that are far better than a firearm.
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VICTORIA, Texas – A 4-year-old Texas boy reported missing was found dead 14 hours later in a neighbor's yard, after apparently being fatally mauled by a dog.

The body of Kyler Johnson was found by the neighbor in Victoria, about 130 miles southwest of Houston, Monday morning after the child wandered away from his own home on Sunday night, the Victoria Advocate reported.

Authorities said it appeared a pit bull kept in the yard had attacked and killed the boy. An autopsy is scheduled for Tuesday and preliminary results expected the same day.

Kyler was reported missing Sunday night after he wandered away from his front yard as his father, Cole Johnson, cleaned his car.

Deputies began searching for him Sunday night and found his body about 10:45 a.m. local time Monday.

"This is a very unfortunate circumstance, I have to report to you today," Victoria County Sheriff T. Michael O'Connor said at a news conference.

"I was in hopes that our search would become fruitful and we found the young child alive. Unfortunately, we did not."

The dog, one of five owned by the neighbor, was quarantined after the attack.


Read more: Missing Texas 4-year-old found dead after dog attack | Fox News
 
Re: George Zimmerman had gun to fend off pit bull

jimbo said:
They are called pit bulls because they are bred to win fights. This requires strength, agility, and the temperament to attack anything in their way. Granted the owners did this, but doesn't change the fact that they account for most of the dog fatalities in the US. Rottweilers, the second most dangerous, half as many. Together they account for around 70% of the dog related fatalities. Less than 10% of the dogs in the US.

I would be interested in knowing those methods of dealing with vicious dogs that are far better than a firearm.
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An attacking pitbull? A gun. I don't dispute that. At all. I do dispute that an animal control officer, in all seriousness, and within the confines of his professional position, advised a guy to buy a gun to handle a pitbull running loose in a crowded subdivision. He may have said it off-hand, but that's not the solution.

Every pitbull one sees is not a vicious attack dog. Sometimes a roving pitbull is just a roving pitbull. I can't carry in Illinois. I don't live in fear of pitbulls running the neighborhood. Are you saying we all need guns to protect us from pitbulls? Come on...
 
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sharon said:
Declared Dangerous Dogs List Residing in Seminole County

Declared Dangerous Dogs List Residing in Seminole County


Each year Animal Services receives and investigates dozens of complaints about potential dangerous dogs. Some investigations result in a dog being declared a dangerous dog in accordance with the Florida Statutes, Chapter 767, and the Seminole County Code, Chapter 20.

Listed below are the declared dangerous dogs residing in Seminole County. This list includes a picture of the dog, where the dog lives, the dog’s name and breed, the date the dog was declared a dangerous dog and the dog’s registration number.

The location and appearance of these dogs is provided to both inform and educate the public.

Persons owning a declared dangerous dog are required to protect the public from the dog. These dogs must either be confined or restrained at all times as mandated by law.

If you see a dog on this list and the dog is neither confined nor restrained, please report your observation to Animal Services by calling 407-665-5110. This number is answered 24 hours a day, 7 days a week. We will respond and investigate the complaint.
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Wonder if anyone bothered to vet this story with animal control in Seminole County?? the Phone # i listed at the link.
 
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sharon said:
Wonder if anyone bothered to vet this story with animal control in Seminole County?? the Phone # i listed at the link.
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Oh, for God's sake. Why don't you call them.
 
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MaggieD said:
Are you saying we all need guns to protect us from pitbulls? Come on...
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No, but if a pitbull is being agressive towards you and your family, then a gun... I have a friend who got attacked by a pit-bull. Actually, that not entirely correct, his dog got attacked by a pitbull and while he was trying to save his dog (which was in the pit's mouth) the dog turned on him - got him really good - his dog died. A gun would have been a safer way to handle that then having attack the dog with hands/feet and taking a lot of bites the process.
 
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MaggieD said:
Oh, for God's sake. Why don't you call them.
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I'll leave that to those who want to believe the story is true........;)
 
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The story of why Zimmerman got the gun is meaningless. Yet it had to be a reason of self defense. That is what rings stupid. I'd have been happier if his friend had stated that the Zimmermans got their pistols for target practice at the range.

I mean, what are the odds? He got a gun to defend himself against a big dog and ended up using it to defend himself against a tall teenager. I'll bet Zimmerman's lawyer is cringing at this bit of news.
 
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Mickey Shane said:
The story of why Zimmerman got the gun is meaningless. Yet it had to be a reason of self defense. That is what rings stupid. I'd have been happier if his friend had stated that the Zimmermans got their pistols for target practice at the range.

I mean, what are the odds? He got a gun to defend himself against a big dog and ended up using it to defend himself against a tall teenager. I'll bet Zimmerman's lawyer is cringing at this bit of news.
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LOLOL.. Yep, O'Mara is taking rolaids over this bit of nincompoopery.
 
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buck said:
No, but if a pitbull is being agressive towards you and your family, then a gun... I have a friend who got attacked by a pit-bull. Actually, that not entirely correct, his dog got attacked by a pitbull and while he was trying to save his dog (which was in the pit's mouth) the dog turned on him - got him really good - his dog died. A gun would have been a safer way to handle that then having attack the dog with hands/feet and taking a lot of bites the process.
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I don't disagree with you. My German Shepherd was in a dog fight with a golden retriever, of all things. The retriever was the aggressor. I watched them from two feet away not knowing what to do. I didn't want to grab MY dog because I was afraid I'd disable him from being able to protect himself. (He was an old man at that time.) I didn't want to grab the OTHER dog because I was afraid I'd be bitten.

So I hauled off and kicked at the abdomen of the golden. Hit my dog instead. Knocked the wind out of him and left him defenseless. The other dog jumped on him from behind as he tried to limp to the house, and THEN I caught him with a good kick with heavy boots on. Fight over.

I'm not equating this with a pitbull attack on a small dog -- or a person. My reason for relating is that I kicked and hit my own dog. Using a gun on two fighting dogs is just stupid, in my opinion. Even on a person, btw. It should only be used as a very last resort.
 
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