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George Zimmerman: Prelude to a shooting

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A completely different viewpoint on who George Zimmerman is and where he came from.

Link HERE.

It's not a portrait of a racist man who was out to shoot a person for being black.
 
Will be interesting to watch people dismiss this.
 
But...but...but...race doesn't have anything to do with this!
 
It was a good article. It doesn't change anything I would argue, but it does support many of the things I believe. As for racism, something I think some jump on too quickly and others ignore completely, it's a hard thing to prove. I wonder if some suspected white males, if an innocent white male would have been followed? I don't know the answer for sure, but white do commit crimes and i don't see this type of thing too often. But maybe it just isn't brought to my attention.

However, I don't think racism is the real problem here.
 
Boo Radley said:
It was a good article. It doesn't change anything I would argue, but it does support many of the things I believe. As for racism, something I think some jump on too quickly and others ignore completely, it's a hard thing to prove. I wonder if some suspected white males, if an innocent white male would have been followed? I don't know the answer for sure, but white do commit crimes and i don't see this type of thing too often. But maybe it just isn't brought to my attention.

However, I don't think racism is the real problem here.
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If the person/people you are looking out for are young black males since that is who was known to be breaking into the houses, then it makes sense to suspect an unknown young black male in the area.
 
muciti said:
If the person/people you are looking out for are young black males since that is who was known to be breaking into the houses, then it makes sense to suspect an unknown young black male in the area.
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It does. But if white males don't get the same reaction, there might be an issue there. Again, I'm merely speaking hypothetical here.
 
Boo Radley said:
It doesn't change anything I would argue,
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Man, I was gonna come back and pre-empt some of what we'd hear from the left, and that was one of them. Other things likely to be heard:

'it doesn't matter if he had black in his family', 'it clearly shows he had a history of violence', 'this shows his frustration of local burglaries turned him into a murderer', 'see, he was playing cop', 'just because there were a lot of crime and witness always saw a black guy doesn't mean he should have followed martin', blah, blah....

I wonder if some suspected white males, if an innocent white male would have been followed?
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Did you really read the article? Because based on the events in that neighborhood over 14 months, it seems zimmerman would have been suspicious of anyone that fit a known 'profile' of those that were involved in all the recent crime, regardless of race.
 
Boo Radley said:
It does. But if white males don't get the same reaction, there might be an issue there. Again, I'm merely speaking hypothetical here.
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Zimmerman seemed determined to catch the robbers, or help with their capture. I dont think he cared what race they were. They just happened to be black. But you can tell from this article Zimmermans mindset was on criminals not on black kids.
 
Arbo said:
Man, I was gonna come back and pre-empt some of what we'd hear from the left, and that was one of them. Other things likely to be heard:

'it doesn't matter if he had black in his family', 'it clearly shows he had a history of violence', 'this shows his frustration of local burglaries turned him into a murderer', 'see, he was playing cop', 'just because there were a lot of crime and witness always saw a black guy doesn't mean he should have followed martin', blah, blah....
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You might want to read what I think before you comment. Just saying. . . . :coffeepap

Did you really read the article? Because based on the events in that neighborhood over 14 months, it seems zimmerman would have been suspicious of anyone that fit a known 'profile' of those that were involved in all the recent crime, regardless of race.
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Yeah, I did. Read my comments closer. :coffeepap
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muciti said:
Zimmerman seemed determined to catch the robbers, or help with their capture. I dont think he cared what race they were. They just happened to be black. But you can tell from this article Zimmermans mindset was on criminals not on black kids.
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That may well be true. As I said, I really don't want to have to try and prove anyone's racism. I'm more concerned with the overall question for society as a whole. I've enver heard driving while white for example.
 
Boo Radley said:
Yeah, I did. Read my comments closer. :coffeepap
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If you did, you would have seen that the concentration was on stopping criminals that were active in the neighborhood, that race wouldn't matter, but it just so happened it seems all reports were of 'black' perpetrators.
 
I would say to all of those who wanted to make this a hate crime, maybe not.
 
Boo Radley said:
That may well be true. As I said, I really don't want to have to try and prove anyone's racism. I'm more concerned with the overall question for society as a whole. I've enver heard driving while white for example.
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White people get pulled over and harrassed all the time. It is more that people attribute other factors to it. Bikers for example get hassassed pretty frequently. They are often thought of as criminals. It gets attributed to how they are dressed. However, if you have a group of black kids dressed in a certain fashion that is associated with criminal behavior and they get harrassed, it is attributed to race. The same goes for a group of goth kids (who are generally percieved as white kids) many people will assume they are up to no good. Even a group of white kids who dress like gang members will often get harrassed and the assumption that they are criminals. Anyhow, my point is white people do get harrassed, but it gets attributed to different reasons.
 
Arbo said:
If you did, you would have seen that the concentration was on stopping criminals that were active in the neighborhood, that race wouldn't matter, but it just so happened it seems all reports were of 'black' perpetrators.
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I know that. Read some more.
 
muciti said:
White people get pulled over and harrassed all the time. It is more that people attribute other factors to it. Bikers for example get hassassed pretty frequently. They are often thought of as criminals. It gets attributed to how they are dressed. However, if you have a group of black kids dressed in a certain fashion that is associated with criminal behavior and they get harrassed, it is attributed to race. The same goes for a group of goth kids (who are generally percieved as white kids) many people will assume they are up to no good. Even a group of white kids who dress like gang members will often get harrassed and the assumption that they are criminals. Anyhow, my point is white people do get harrassed, but it gets attributed to different reasons.
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I don't think I've ever been stopped for no reason, even not stopped when there was good cause. Have a story of my brother, white male, with pot in the front seat, stopped, but told to get rid of it and go home. A few yeas ago true, but still, not sure that happens for people of color.

Anyway, I think the issue of race is for the society as a whole and not Zimmerman particularly.
 
Boo Radley said:
I don't think I've ever been stopped for no reason, even not stopped when there was good cause. Have a story of my brother, white male, with pot in the front seat, stopped, but told to get rid of it and go home. A few yeas ago true, but still, not sure that happens for people of color.

Anyway, I think the issue of race is for the society as a whole and not Zimmerman particularly.
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You personally may not have ever been stopped for no reason but neither have many blacks. Many, not all, but many blacks, just like whites, present themselves in a manner that makes people, including police, believe that they may be up to no good.

test your idea. Dress up like a thug and go around a decent sized acting like one for a week or two. You will get harrassed by law enforcement and you will get dirty looks by people on the street. You will get watched as you walk around stores ect.
 
Arbo said:
If you 'know that' then you never would have asked your first question. :roll:
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I think you have really read closely. :coffeepap
 
muciti said:
You personally may not have ever been stopped for no reason but neither have many blacks. Many, not all, but many blacks, just like whites, present themselves in a manner that makes people, including police, believe that they may be up to no good.

test your idea. Dress up like a thug and go around a decent sized acting like one for a week or two. You will get harrassed by law enforcement and you will get dirty looks by people on the street. You will get watched as you walk around stores ect.
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At 53 they might worry about mental health. But i do walk a and often look scraggly. ;)
 
Boo Radley said:
That may well be true. As I said, I really don't want to have to try and prove anyone's racism. I'm more concerned with the overall question for society as a whole. I've enver heard driving while white for example.
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Drive through the hood, at midnight, and see if you don't experience, "driving while white".
 
apdst said:
Drive through the hood, at midnight, and see if you don't experience, "driving while white".
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Used to live in the hood. And white no less. Never got stopped. :shrug:
 
Boo Radley said:
Used to live in the hood. And white no less. Never got stopped. :shrug:
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You know how lame it is to try and claim that you grew up in a black neighborhood?
 
apdst said:
You know how lame it is to try and claim that you grew up in a black neighborhood?
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it's simply true. I grew up int the Brentwood Projects in Jacksonville FL. I also lived off Phoenix Ave. Anyone form Jacksonville should know these places. .
 
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