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George Zimmerman in custody

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UNIDENTIFIED EYEWITNESS: "I know it was very dark..."
So all you have then is two witnesses that couldn't see well because of their distance to the scene.
While the other witnesses could see. Like the one that was physically there on the scene. You got nothing.
And because you are just relying on this now, it tells me you know you were wrong.


Zimmerman wouldn't be sitting in jail, accused of murder if he had followed the NW rules and left his gun at home.
When did NW guide-lines come into effect for going to the store. :blink: You really got me stumped on that one.
 
So all you have then is two witnesses that couldn't see well because of their distance to the scene.
While the other witnesses could see. Like the one that was physically there on the scene. You got nothing.
And because you are just relying on this now, it tells me you know you were wrong.


When did NW guide-lines come into effect for going to the store. :blink: You really got me stumped on that one.

You know the "fight" lasted less than 56 seconds from confrontation to gunshot and took place four feet away from the sidewalk??
 
Please, go ahead! I like a good joke :)

Most people don't spend their lives with guns planted all over the house.

I had my father's 45 from WW2 and a 38 snubnose, but you know.. I also had kids and neighbor kids .. no enemies.. and there were no ego issues for my husband. Nobody was out to GET us.. So we got rid of the guns that were not used for hunting deer and duck.

Even my Secret Service friends who retrained every few years and served many Presidents just locked there guns up when they went home at night..

None of them suffered from the George Zimmerman delusion.

So yes.. I think it's sad that you have to be able to put your hand on a gun anywhere in the house evn if you are buck naked.
 
Most people don't spend their lives with guns planted all over the house.

I had my father's 45 from WW2 and a 38 snubnose, but you know.. I also had kids and neighbor kids .. no enemies.. and there were no ego issues for my husband. Nobody was out to GET us.. So we got rid of the guns that were not used for hunting deer and duck.

Even my Secret Service friends who retrained every few years and served many Presidents just locked there guns up when they went home at night..

None of them suffered from the George Zimmerman delusion.

So yes.. I think it's sad that you have to be able to put your hand on a gun anywhere in the house evn if you are buck naked.

I think it's sad that you think that you are so afraid of an inanimate object.
 
I think it's sad that you think that you are so afraid of an inanimate object.

Meaning what? We always had a houseful of children.. ours and other peoples.. The gun cabinets were locked with shotguns and rifles, but handguns really served no purpose in our lives.

Its not a macho badge.. to own a handgun unless you love target shooting .

Our boys were members of Greenwing..

A gun is not a substitute for education or success or family or confidence.. Ask George Zimmerman.
 
Most people don't spend their lives with guns planted all over the house.

I had my father's 45 from WW2 and a 38 snubnose, but you know.. I also had kids and neighbor kids .. no enemies.. and there were no ego issues for my husband. Nobody was out to GET us.. So we got rid of the guns that were not used for hunting deer and duck.

Even my Secret Service friends who retrained every few years and served many Presidents just locked there guns up when they went home at night..

None of them suffered from the George Zimmerman delusion.

So yes.. I think it's sad that you have to be able to put your hand on a gun anywhere in the house evn if you are buck naked.

Its ok, I understand your sadness, but back on topic

I think, the fundamental reason, why Zimmerman is still alive today because, he carried his CCW weapon with a round chambered. There is NO good reason to carry a CCW weapon without a round chambered. Absolutely none

Thats what saved his life....NOT adding precious time (no round chambered) onto the task of addressing a threat
 
I still contend it would be considered hearsay, and it doesn't qualify for the "Dying Declarations" exception.


Her testimony about what Z was doing probably wouldn't be allowed since that would be hearsay from M.
But her testimony about her call w/ M and what she could hear herself should be okay.
She is the declarant declaring what she heard.
So, at least that much of what she has to say should be admissible.
Or so it seems.
 
So all you have then is two witnesses that couldn't see well because of their distance to the scene.
While the other witnesses could see. Like the one that was physically there on the scene. You got nothing.
And because you are just relying on this now, it tells me you know you were wrong.
For some odd reason, I don't expect the jury is going to be as dismissive of eyewitness testimony you are. :lol:
 
You know the "fight" lasted less than 56 seconds from confrontation to gunshot and took place four feet away from the sidewalk??
Pesky details he doesn't like mean nothing to him. :cool:
 
Meaning what? We always had a houseful of children.. ours and other peoples.. The gun cabinets were locked with shotguns and rifles, but handguns really served no purpose in our lives.

Its not a macho badge.. to own a handgun unless you love target shooting .

Our boys were members of Greenwing..

A gun is not a substitute for education or success or family or confidence.. Ask George Zimmerman.
If George Zimmerman didn't have a gun on him that night, Trayvon would still be alive, Zimmerman would not be facing life in prison, he would not have been in hiding for the last month, and he would have just gone home that night with a bloody nose.
 
91% is a very low success rate for a legitimate prosecutor. It means she doesn't care whether the person is innocent or not.
Jeez joko.

Don't you ever get tired of just spouting outlandish crap that you don't bother to attempt to back up?


Tell us joko, what is the success rate for a good prosecutor and where did you get the info?


http://www.ndaa.org/pdf/do_lower_conviction_rates_07.pdf
National District Attorneys Association
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Too often, the effectiveness of prosecutors is judged on the basis of conviction rates, plea bargains, or the outcome of a single high-profile case. Are these the results most prosecutors would look to as the sole indicators of effectiveness? Probably not. Yet, these are the very indicators of interest for so many.​


Conviction rate - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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The conviction rate is also high in U.S. state courts. Coughlan writes, "In recent years, the conviction rate has averaged approximately 84% in Texas, 82% in California, 72% in New York, 67% in North Carolina, and 59% in Florida."
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[/SUP]Peter J. Coughlan (Jun., 2000), In Defense of Unanimous Jury Verdicts: Mistrials, Communication, and Strategic Voting, 94, The American Political Science Review, pp. 375–393
 
If George Zimmerman didn't have a gun on him that night, Trayvon would still be alive, Zimmerman would not be facing life in prison, he would not have been in hiding for the last month, and he would have just gone home that night with a bloody nose.

What don't you understand about beating the crap out of people is not a good way of greeting someone
 
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What don't you understand about beating the crap out of people is not a good way of greeting someone
No, it's not. But it also doesn't give the beatie carte blanche to kill the beator because he is better armed and then to get away with it because there are no witnesses to the entire encounter.
 
Wrong, the police report showed him as 6 feet at 160lbs.

And yea, I bet you do like that photo. It portrays a 6 foot tall criminal as a 12yo boy. Why do you want to hide the facts? You want justice for Trayvon? So do I. But with justice, I simply mean having the facts examined and making a decision at that point. I don't mean "Convict the man who shot him no matter the circumstances" like you do.

I don't think that photo says he is a criminal... like nobody else has ever taken pictures flipping the camera off or partying while underage, please.
 
You know the "fight" lasted less than 56 seconds from confrontation to gunshot and took place four feet away from the sidewalk??

Where did you learn this?
 
Sure I have only had a gun pulled on me once, please tell me your accounts.

Deciding whether or not to kill? Have you ever been in that situation?

Sunday morning quarterbacking is NOT, the same
 
Deciding whether or not to kill? Have you ever been in that situation?

Sunday morning quarterbacking is NOT, the same

I just said I have had gun pulled on me. Tell me your experiences.
 
I don't think that photo says he is a criminal... like nobody else has ever taken pictures flipping the camera off or partying while underage, please.

Plenty of people have done that. Doesn't make them respectable people.

I have not flipped off a camera. Ever.

I find that type of attitude juvenile.

My equivalent is a thumbs up instead.
 
And again you are wrong.
They do not say it is pitch black before 7:15pm on Feb. 26th.

Look. I am really happy that you have become more educated about this specific subject. That is great.
Unfortunately you are still wrong.
It was Dusk, and not "pitch black".

My link says the following.
Nautical dusk
Is when the sun is 12 degrees below the horizon in the evening. At this time, objects are no longer distinguishable, and the horizon is no longer visible to the naked eye.

Astronomical dusk
The time at which the sun is 18 degrees below the horizon in the evening. At this time the sun no longer illuminates the sky, and thus no longer interferes with astronomical observations.
Dusk - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



Not only that but you are wrong about the above, but also about which is who's link.

Previously you chose to use a link that defined Dusk as Twilight and I then used your previous source to the N.O. to give a more accurate description of Twilight, and then supplemented with my own link to Wiki about Dusk.
I definitely did not include nautical Dusk because, one, as we all know, we are not at sea, and two, because it really has no bearing on, and does not change my position.

It was dusk. Get that through your head.
Dusk.
D, U, S, K, Dusk.

It spanned a time period in which Zimmerman was able to describe Trayvon to the call taker, and other 911 callers were able to offer their descriptions. Does that sound like "pitch black"?
Nope.
Does it sound like the following that you provided? "objects are no longer distinguishable"
Nope!
You are simply wrong.
You have been trying to take this argument from where it was in the beginning, and tried to make it fit what you want it to say.
That ain't gonna happen.
You are wrong.
It was Dusk.
Get over it.



Check yourself. I said it was Dusk.



I do know that dude.
It was still Dusk.


You provide the following data from the Navel Observatory.

Sun and Moon Data for One Day

The following information is provided for Sanford, Seminole County, Florida (longitude W81.3, latitude N28.8):

Sunday 26 February 2012 Eastern Standard Time SUN
Begin civil twilight 6:30 a.m.
Sunrise 6:54 a.m.
Sun transit 12:38 p.m.
Sunset 6:23 p.m.
End civil twilight 6:46 p.m.


MOON Moonset 9:56 p.m. on preceding day Moonrise 9:16 a.m.
Moon transit 4:00 p.m.
Moonset 10:49 p.m.
Moonrise 9:53 a.m. on following day

Phase of the Moon on 26 February: waxing crescent with 20% of the Moon's visible disk illuminated.

First quarter Moon on 29 February 2012 at 8:22 p.m. Eastern Standard Time.


I keep insisting that it was Dusk, and you keep insisting that I am wrong.
I told you to look up twilight because I believe that is what you think I am referring to, when I am not.
And you didn't let me down. You didn't catch on at all.


Anyways let me break it down for you.
The sun moves one degree every 4 minutes.

Twilight is over and Dusk begins when the sun is 6° below the local horizon.
Based on the Sunset time you provided, Dusk began at 6:47pm in Sanford Fl.

Nautical dusk begins when the sun is 12° below the local horizon.
Based on the Sunset time you provided, Nautical dusk began at 7:13pm in Sanford Fl.

Astronomical dusk begins when the sun is 18° below the local horizon.
Based on the Sunset time you provided, Nautical dusk began at 7:37pm in Sanford Fl.

No matter how you break it down it was still Dusk.
D, U, S, K, Dusk!

Earlier I stated the following:
So, it is now 8:16.

It is Dusk.
There is enough ambient light to see just fine.

You want to make it out like I said it was light outside, when all I said was there was enough ambient light to see just fine.

You are wrong, were wrong, and still will be wrong.
It was Dusk.


What we have is a period of time that has constantly evolving, to the more dark, lighting conditions. Dusk.
It starts with Zimmerman being able to clearly describe Trayvon, continues throughout in which 911 callers were able to give their descriptions, some better than others, and finally comes to a close before the sun is 18 degrees below the horizon in the evening, at which time the sun no longer illuminates the sky. Which I suppose would be "pitch black", if the moon and stars were not present, and there is no artificial light.

It was Dusk.

You were wrong.
Get over it.



Unless Trayvon had seen his firearm beforehand, he had no reason to believe he was reaching for one.
And by the choice of words used, Trayvon was clearly attacking out of annoyance, not self defense.


And since, as you say, it was "pitch black", there is no way he could have seen a gun.
Heck, being "pitch black" Zimmerman wouldn't have been able to see who he was shooting.
"Pitch black" my ass.

Ah, but 'twas raining.

Which brings true darkness early.
 
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