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Witness: Martin Attacked Zimmerman (2)

from muciti

What injuries did Martin have other than the gun shot wound?
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Which recalls the famous question

"other than that one part Mrs. Lincoln, how did you like the play?"
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haymarket said:
from muciti



Which recalls the famous question
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Ok, that made me lol honestly. But i think your missing my point. If Zimmerman had assaulted Martin, and not the other way around, dont you think Martin would have shown signs on being assaulted, not just shot?
 
muciti said:
But have you honestly seen any evidence that disproves his story? It is wrong to want to convict a guy of murder just because you don't like him. Listening to his 911 call you get an idea of his personality. I think he is a petty and overreacting person. I think he is likely harboring some racist thoughts. He thinks he is a cop or has some kind of authority. All of that makes him a ****ty person in my book, however, that does not mean he did not act in self defense.
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I totally agree with you on what I bolded above, and I am waiting on more information like everyone else. I think his girlfriend's story needs to be taken in account too. And the witness who said she thinks it was Trayvon crying out before the gun shot. It is a cluster**** and there is a lot to sort out. In the meantime I definitely don't trust Zimmerman's entire story.

I am glad this case is going to be investigated with a fine-tooth comb, and I am really interested in finding out more (along with every news station in the country).
 
Broken nose, swollen lips, and back of the head beat in. What injuries did Martin have other than the gun shot wound?
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I'd really love for you to google Martin's Injuries. Every single site has a different injury listed. I had only read bloody nose and bruised head. You state what you did, another site says he had a broken collar bone. Another site states he had cuts on his arm, yet in his interview with CNN he only mentions the "He had a broken nose and a bruise on the head". He is a lying sack of **** or the media is...

Him crying out for help in one call. And him stating clearly to a 911 operator seconds before the fight starts that he cannot find Martin any longer.
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Right, I bet you personally know Zimmerman and when you heard that phone call instantly knew it was him... (sarcasm)

Also on the telephone call the operator told him NOT to follow Trayvon. What phone call did you listen to just FYI? He has a long conversation about his address and his phone number and where the police should find him before he says goodbye and hangs up...
 
Porchev said:
I totally agree with you on what I bolded above, and I am waiting on more information like everyone else. I think his girlfriend's story needs to be taken in account too. And the witness who said she thinks it was Trayvon crying out before the gun shot. It is a cluster**** and there is a lot to sort out. In the meantime I definitely don't trust Zimmerman's entire story.

I am glad this case is going to be investigated with a fine-tooth comb, and I am really interested in finding out more (along with every news station in the country).
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I agree with what you said for the most part except for the part I have bolded. People dont want the truth. Or most people dont. Most people want to see this man executed regardless of what actually happened.

I think that most people who at this point believe it was self defense, myself included, would quickly call for Zimmermans head if some proof came out showing that he did not act in self defense.

I also think that most people who beleive that this is a racially motivated hate crime are going to continue to bleieve that no matter what evidence has come out or if other evidence does.
 
Jryan said:
I'd really love for you to google Martin's Injuries. Every single site has a different injury listed. I had only read bloody nose and bruised head. You state what you did, another site says he had a broken collar bone. Another site states he had cuts on his arm, yet in his interview with CNN he only mentions the "He had a broken nose and a bruise on the head". He is a lying sack of **** or the media is...
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To the best of my knowledge George Zimmerman has not given an interview to anyone.

There was a lot of misinformation when the story first broke but as time has gone on media outlets have been pretty clear in reporting injuries to Zimmerman's face and the back of his head. I believe the same information was also included in police reports released.
 
Jryan said:
Right, but there is TONS of evidence to show a botched police investigation and a person with a violent history. That is enough doubt for me to suspect him as a liar.
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The questions are getting answered (repeatedly), but the answers aren't what you want for your story, so you try another script, but a cute story just the same...

botched police investigation and a person with a violent history.
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lol
 
Peter Ilyich said:
To the best of my knowledge George Zimmerman has not given an interview to anyone.

There was a lot of misinformation when the story first broke but as time has gone on media outlets have been pretty clear in reporting injuries to Zimmerman's face and the back of his head. I believe the same information was also included in police reports released.
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Ah, I was trying to look around to find if Trayvon had injuries, I can't find any sites that say either way. Does anyone know if he had injuries also? I fin d it hard to believe that a person who is 100 lbs heavier than someone else loses a fight.
 
Jryan said:
I could of substituted anything for pot... The point is, if we say you can't have a gun and you get pulled over with a gun strapped to your waste, hello prison because their is a good reason for why your right was removed.
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This makes absolutely no sense.

Nor does insulting Christians on daily basis just to get a rise out of them.
 
I'd really love for you to google Martin's Injuries. Every single site has a different injury listed. I had only read bloody nose and bruised head. You state what you did, another site says he had a broken collar bone. Another site states he had cuts on his arm, yet in his interview with CNN he only mentions the "He had a broken nose and a bruise on the head". He is a lying sack of **** or the media is...
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The medical report and police has given reports of the injuries Zimmerman sustained. Your referencing Martins injuries. I'd love for you to show me something showing Martin had a broken collar bone, cuts on his arm, or anything else.

Right, I bet you personally know Zimmerman and when you heard that phone call instantly knew it was him... (sarcasm)
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The police have confirmed it was him and a 13 year old kid confirmed that Zimmerman was on the ground getting beaten and screaming for help seconds before the shot. That is how I know its him. (no sarcasm)

Perhaps you should take some time to read about this beyond just the headlines.

Trayvon Martin Shooter Says Teenager Went for His Gun - ABC News

Read it.
 
ric27 said:
The questions are getting answered (repeatedly), but the answers aren't what you want for your story, so you try another script, but a cute story just the same...

lol
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Right, because not giving a shooter a breathalyzer/drug test when he has just killed someone is normal police procedure...
 
Peter Ilyich said:
You're just flat out wrong here.

The Stand Your Ground law allows for a person to kill someone in self-defense in order to avoid imminent death or severe injuries....
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something tells me there's more to SYG than that.

A stand-your-ground law states that a person may use deadly force in self-defense when there is reasonable belief of a threat, without an obligation to retreat first

Stand-your-ground law - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

yeah, I knew it.
 
Jryan said:
Ah, I was trying to look around to find if Trayvon had injuries, I can't find any sites that say either way. Does anyone know if he had injuries also? I fin d it hard to believe that a person who is 100 lbs heavier than someone else loses a fight.
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So the fat guy always wins? I am a pretty big guy and a couple years back a guy kicked the crap out of me outside a bar. I probably had a good 50 lbs or more on him. I didnt stand a chance. But according to you that never happened either since i am bigger than him.
 
muciti said:
Ok, that made me lol honestly. But i think your missing my point. If Zimmerman had assaulted Martin, and not the other way around, dont you think Martin would have shown signs on being assaulted, not just shot?
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Glad you enjoyed the joke. ;)

I honestly think what happened was Z picked a fight with the wrong person and got his ass kicked royally. He then used his gun and the rest is history. I don't call that self defense. I call that getting your ass whupped and being a *****.
 
Peter Ilyich said:
there is absolutely no evidence to believe Martin was ever in danger of death or severe injuries.
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Except for the gun. Remember, he died of a gunshot wound. Seems like he was in danger of death or severe injuries. Getting shot will do that to a person sometimes.
 
Porchev said:
Based on several things I have read, heard, and seen about that guy, I don't trust him.
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Trust has nothing to do with evidence...
 
here's Florida's SYG law:

2011 Florida Statutes CHAPTER 776 JUSTIFIABLE USE OF FORCE[17]

776.012 Use of force in defense of person.—A person is justified in using force, except deadly force, against another when and to the extent that the person reasonably believes that such conduct is necessary to defend himself or herself or another against the other’s imminent use of unlawful force. However, a person is justified in the use of deadly force and does not have a duty to retreat if:

(1) He or she reasonably believes that such force is necessary to prevent imminent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another or to prevent the imminent commission of a forcible felony; or
(2) Under those circumstances permitted pursuant to s. 776.013.
 
haymarket said:
Glad you enjoyed the joke. ;)

I honestly think what happened was Z picked a fight with the wrong person and got his ass kicked royally. He then used his gun and the rest is history. I don't call that self defense. I call that getting your ass whupped and being a *****.
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That is more plausible than most versions out there.

If it comes out that Martin had been assaulted too I may be inclined to agree with you. But as it stands,

I honestly think what happened was Z pissed off the wrong person and got his ass kicked royally.

Nothing actually shows that Zimmerman started the fight or even wanted to fight. Obviously the guy was not very skilled in fighting (considering the injuries he got). Sounds more plausible that Martin was pissed off that some guy was following him and started beating Zimmermans ass.
 
Erod said:
This makes absolutely no sense.

Nor does insulting Christians on daily basis just to get a rise out of them.
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Good God, we've got race baiting and now the "War on Christianity." Next thing you know, it'll be an end times prophecy from the Mayan calendar.
 
muciti said:
The medical report and police has given reports of the injuries Zimmerman sustained. Your referencing Martins injuries. I'd love for you to show me something showing Martin had a broken collar bone, cuts on his arm, or anything else.



The police have confirmed it was him and a 13 year old kid confirmed that Zimmerman was on the ground getting beaten and screaming for help seconds before the shot. That is how I know its him. (no sarcasm)

Perhaps you should take some time to read about this beyond just the headlines.

Trayvon Martin Shooter Says Teenager Went for His Gun - ABC News

Read it.
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Thanks for the article, although it does claim a f'ed up police job:

Corey's team is now reinvestigating a case that the Sanford Police Department is accused of bungling. Possible police missteps include failing to administer a toxicology exam on Zimmerman, not impounding his car, and failing to contact key witnesses -- like Martin's girlfriend, who was talking to the teen by cell phone and heard most of the scuffle with Zimmerman unfold.
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As for the rest of the article, I'm starting to become skeptical. Why did the Florida state Governor higher Zimmerman's lawyer? To much high jingle (For you non-Bosh readers, High-Jingle means the higher powers have their fingers all in the investigation).
 
Jryan said:
Right, because not giving a shooter a breathalyzer/drug test when he has just killed someone is normal police procedure...
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If there is no reason to suspect him drinking such as typical slurred speech, acting drunk, smelling of alcohol, or the finding of open alcohol in his vehicle (otherwise known as probable cause), there would be no reason to give him a breathalyser / drug test. Wre in the Florida statues does it specify that anyone involved in a shooting is required to have a breathalyser / drug test?

You're making up a whole lot of **** and not backing any of it up with facts.
 
muciti said:
He was shot after/during the fight. Not before.
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True, but I'd say the gun put him in danger. Saying that Martin wasn't at risk of death is kind of silly since HE DIED.
 
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