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Siberian Tiger in Alaska

I recently stumbled across this December 2019 article:


The article then posts the following photo:
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However, what the article fails to point out is the location of the Togiak National Wildlife Refuge. The refuge covers 4.7 million acres of land located in Alaska's southwestern part of the State.
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The tiger could have only come across the Bering Sea during the Winter months when the sea is frozen, but to get that far south would have taken the tiger several weeks if not months once they entered Alaska.

As if brown bears and polar bears were not a big enough concern. Now it there would appear to be tigers in Alaska.

The article does point out that wolves and tigers are natural enemies, and there are lots of wolves in my neck of the woods. So I will take it as a sign that there are no tigers in the vicinity. If Democrats ever find out about this watch how quickly the "Alaskan Tiger" gets added to the Endangered Species list. :doh

Well...do you want Siberian Tigers in AK? If yes, they are so rare they need to be protected.

If no, then there is probably a way to have them declared as non-native/invasive. It depends somewhat on if there's a fossil record of them in NA.

This is the barely coherent and grammatically inept speech of a man who desperately wants to be able to claim that he "cured coronavirus."

That's it, in a nutshell. When we do get a handle on this crisis, he wants to be able to pull out footage and declare "I called it! I said use this! I said try this! I told them to do this, it was my idea!" He's just doing it with lots of stupid stuff because he doesnt want to miss an opportunity. He's afraid 'the big one' will be mentioned and he wont get credit for it.

It's all about declaring himself the savior of the cv crisis and we'll hear all about it, esp in his campaign. (Which is basically each of his press briefings these days) --- Lursa
 
I have watched grizzlies tossing around permafrost on the north slope like it was beach sand trying to dig out ground squirrels. So I know they are strong enough to easily dispose of a 6' tall chain link fence. I can only conclude that bears do not like the feel of the metal links on their claws, or they would have torn it down years ago.

That is a surprise. I'd think they' make short work of your fence and chow down on whatever you have inside.
 
I have watched grizzlies tossing around permafrost on the north slope like it was beach sand trying to dig out ground squirrels. So I know they are strong enough to easily dispose of a 6' tall chain link fence. I can only conclude that bears do not like the feel of the metal links on their claws, or they would have torn it down years ago.

It doesnt stop them at dumps and landfills. IMO you just dont have anything tempting enough on your side. Kudos!

This is the barely coherent and grammatically inept speech of a man who desperately wants to be able to claim that he "cured coronavirus."

That's it, in a nutshell. When we do get a handle on this crisis, he wants to be able to pull out footage and declare "I called it! I said use this! I said try this! I told them to do this, it was my idea!" He's just doing it with lots of stupid stuff because he doesnt want to miss an opportunity. He's afraid 'the big one' will be mentioned and he wont get credit for it.

It's all about declaring himself the savior of the cv crisis and we'll hear all about it, esp in his campaign. (Which is basically each of his press briefings these days) --- Lursa
 
Yes, the cause of close encounters of the ursine kind is invariably stupid human tricks, usually leaving food around or actually feeding wild bears.

I've encountered black bears lots of times. Outside the parks, they're generally running away at top speed. Inside the parks, they usually ignore me and go about their business. Once in a while, they approach looking for food, then I know the tourons have been busy.

Here are a couple of pictures I took of bears in Sequoia National Park. The one actually took a couple of steps toward me and made that huffing sound bears make when they're upset:

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What I didn't realize was I had gotten too close to this little fellow:

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As soon as I backed away, mom and baby went about their bearish business and I could take their pictures.

Nice photos. Probably the most important thing I pay attention to when fishing, foraging, or hunting, is the direction the wind is blowing. I'm always more relaxed walking with the wind than against it. I know that when I'm walking against the wind I'm most likely to surprise a bear. Normally my dogs would be alerted in such cases, and I can avoid a surprise encounter. But I no longer keep dogs, so I need to pay even closer attention now.

I really like bears, and I prefer not to put myself in a situation where I'm forced to kill one in self-defense. I have lost salmon to bears before. I didn't see it actually happen, but the evidence was unmistakable. I have no problems with having to catch more salmon.

This Summer there has been some very unusual bear activity. The lack of tourists is causing them to be bolder, and showing themselves more readily than in prior Summers. They are behaving non-aggressively, which is a good thing. I have already had three brown bear encounters since the beginning of June while I have been fishing for salmon.
 
Well...do you want Siberian Tigers in AK? If yes, they are so rare they need to be protected.

If no, then there is probably a way to have them declared as non-native/invasive. It depends somewhat on if there's a fossil record of them in NA.

According to the fossil record there were tigers in Alaska more than 100,000 years ago. There were also lions roaming the lower-48 as recently as 10,000 years ago. One source suggests the North American tiger and North American lion may have cross-bred.

Tigers are uncommon in the fossil record. The distinct fossils of tigers were discovered in Pleistocene deposits – mostly in Asia. Nevertheless, tiger fossils 100,000 years old have been found in Alaska. Possibly because of a land bridge between Siberia and Alaska during the ice ages, this Alaskan tiger might be a North American population of Siberian tiger. In addition, some scientists have discovered similarities between tiger bones and those of the American lion, an extinct big cat that dominated much of North America as recently as 10,000 years ago. Some have used these observations to conclude that the American lion was a New World tiger species.

Source: Panthera tigris (Tiger) - encyclopedia article - Citizendium
 
According to the fossil record there were tigers in Alaska more than 100,000 years ago. There were also lions roaming the lower-48 as recently as 10,000 years ago. One source suggests the North American tiger and North American lion may have cross-bred.



Source: Panthera tigris (Tiger) - encyclopedia article - Citizendium

Well since it was an April Fool's joke, I guess it doesnt matter! LOL

This is the barely coherent and grammatically inept speech of a man who desperately wants to be able to claim that he "cured coronavirus."

That's it, in a nutshell. When we do get a handle on this crisis, he wants to be able to pull out footage and declare "I called it! I said use this! I said try this! I told them to do this, it was my idea!" He's just doing it with lots of stupid stuff because he doesnt want to miss an opportunity. He's afraid 'the big one' will be mentioned and he wont get credit for it.

It's all about declaring himself the savior of the cv crisis and we'll hear all about it, esp in his campaign. (Which is basically each of his press briefings these days) --- Lursa
 
Well since it was an April Fool's joke, I guess it doesnt matter! LOL

Let's hope the Amur tiger never finds out what they are missing in Alaska, because even without the land bridge that existed during the last period of glaciation, it is only a 25 mile hike from mainland Siberia to mainland Alaska during the Winter. I suppose as long as there are plenty of wolves around, Alaskans won't have to worry about tigers. And we do have an over abundance of wolves in many areas of Alaska. So many in some areas that steps had to be taken to cull back their numbers. They were killing absolutely everything over several square miles.
 
I recently stumbled across this December 2019 article:


The article then posts the following photo:
View attachment 67287081

However, what the article fails to point out is the location of the Togiak National Wildlife Refuge. The refuge covers 4.7 million acres of land located in Alaska's southwestern part of the State.
View attachment 67287082

The tiger could have only come across the Bering Sea during the Winter months when the sea is frozen, but to get that far south would have taken the tiger several weeks if not months once they entered Alaska.

As if brown bears and polar bears were not a big enough concern. Now it there would appear to be tigers in Alaska.

The article does point out that wolves and tigers are natural enemies, and there are lots of wolves in my neck of the woods. So I will take it as a sign that there are no tigers in the vicinity. If Democrats ever find out about this watch how quickly the "Alaskan Tiger" gets added to the Endangered Species list. :doh

Tigers in Alaska? You know what that means!
 
Let's hope the Amur tiger never finds out what they are missing in Alaska, because even without the land bridge that existed during the last period of glaciation, it is only a 25 mile hike from mainland Siberia to mainland Alaska during the Winter. I suppose as long as there are plenty of wolves around, Alaskans won't have to worry about tigers. And we do have an over abundance of wolves in many areas of Alaska. So many in some areas that steps had to be taken to cull back their numbers. They were killing absolutely everything over several square miles.

A square off between a pack of wolves and a tiger....who do you think would win?

I dont think the wolves would take on a tiger unless is tried to take their kill.

This is the barely coherent and grammatically inept speech of a man who desperately wants to be able to claim that he "cured coronavirus."

That's it, in a nutshell. When we do get a handle on this crisis, he wants to be able to pull out footage and declare "I called it! I said use this! I said try this! I told them to do this, it was my idea!" He's just doing it with lots of stupid stuff because he doesnt want to miss an opportunity. He's afraid 'the big one' will be mentioned and he wont get credit for it.

It's all about declaring himself the savior of the cv crisis and we'll hear all about it, esp in his campaign. (Which is basically each of his press briefings these days) --- Lursa
 
Tigers in Alaska? You know what that means!

They have a better quality of "cougar" up there?

Lucky boys! :lamo

This is the barely coherent and grammatically inept speech of a man who desperately wants to be able to claim that he "cured coronavirus."

That's it, in a nutshell. When we do get a handle on this crisis, he wants to be able to pull out footage and declare "I called it! I said use this! I said try this! I told them to do this, it was my idea!" He's just doing it with lots of stupid stuff because he doesnt want to miss an opportunity. He's afraid 'the big one' will be mentioned and he wont get credit for it.

It's all about declaring himself the savior of the cv crisis and we'll hear all about it, esp in his campaign. (Which is basically each of his press briefings these days) --- Lursa
 
Well...do you want Siberian Tigers in AK? If yes, they are so rare they need to be protected.

If no, then there is probably a way to have them declared as non-native/invasive. It depends somewhat on if there's a fossil record of them in NA.

You know how to catch a Siberian tiger in Alaska?

You walk on to a frozen lake, cut a hole in the ice and then line the perimeter of the hole with snap peas.

Then, when the tiger comes to try to take a pee you kick him in the ice hole. <----this joke works better when telling it, rather than typing it - it doesn't translate to the non-spoken word very well!
 
They have a better quality of "cougar" up there?

Lucky boys! :lamo

Mmmmmm.... older women.. the things they know how do to! <sigh>
 
It doesnt stop them at dumps and landfills. IMO you just dont have anything tempting enough on your side. Kudos!

I burn all the cardboard and paper packaging, and haul the plastic and non-burnable garbage to the landfill. I also do not include organic material with my household trash, if I can avoid it. While there may be sufficient organic garbage to feed mice, shrews, and voles, I seriously doubt anything larger would find it satisfying.
 
Nobody thought there were leopards in the southern US either. But there were and there are. Not many. Any quite frankly, if there are tigers in Alaska, find them, tag them, research them. Do not just kill them.

Around 3AM, I saw one lounging on a rooftop in Ocean City Maryland about 20 years ago. I stared at it for at least an hour from my balcony above. No one believed me. Everyone was like, "That was a bobcat."

"I know bobcats. This was a freaking leopard," I said to people asking me how much pot I smoked that night. :doh

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Around 3AM, I saw one lounging on a rooftop in Ocean City Maryland about 20 years ago. I stared at it for at least an hour from my balcony above. No one believed me. Everyone was like, "That was a bobcat."

"I know bobcats. This was a freaking leopard," I said to people asking me how much pot I smoked that night. :doh

amur-leopard_99144569.jpg

In your case I would surmise it was someone's exotic pet that got loose.
 
A square off between a pack of wolves and a tiger....who do you think would win?

I dont think the wolves would take on a tiger unless is tried to take their kill.

Wolves and tigers are natural enemies. Where tigers live, you will not find wolves. Where wolves live, you will not find tigers. They compete for the same prey. They don't have to directly confront each other. Whichever species dominates the prey in a given area will starve out the other.
 
You know how to catch a Siberian tiger in Alaska?

You walk on to a frozen lake, cut a hole in the ice and then line the perimeter of the hole with snap peas.

Then, when the tiger comes to try to take a pee you kick him in the ice hole. <----this joke works better when telling it, rather than typing it - it doesn't translate to the non-spoken word very well!

:think:
 
I burn all the cardboard and paper packaging, and haul the plastic and non-burnable garbage to the landfill. I also do not include organic material with my household trash, if I can avoid it. While there may be sufficient organic garbage to feed mice, shrews, and voles, I seriously doubt anything larger would find it satisfying.

Most likely.
 
Wolves and tigers are natural enemies. Where tigers live, you will not find wolves. Where wolves live, you will not find tigers. They compete for the same prey. They don't have to directly confront each other. Whichever species dominates the prey in a given area will starve out the other.

The only place it could occur would be Russia/Mongolia. I never looked into it.
 
Mountain lions have been spotted in Alaska, but they are very rare.

Mountain Lions in Alaska - Alaska Department of Fish & Game

Maybe for the same reason you described for tigers. Cougars are really at risk taking bigger game like elk or moose too. Altho I'd think they'd love caribou. They're (cougars) in the big provincial parks in Alberta/BC.

(I caught that btw, before you changed it! LOL)
 
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Around 3AM, I saw one lounging on a rooftop in Ocean City Maryland about 20 years ago. I stared at it for at least an hour from my balcony above. No one believed me. Everyone was like, "That was a bobcat."

"I know bobcats. This was a freaking leopard," I said to people asking me how much pot I smoked that night. :doh

amur-leopard_99144569.jpg

Beautiful pic
 
Maybe for the same reason you described for tigers. Cougars are really at risk taking bigger game like elk or moose too. Altho I'd think they'd love caribou. They're (cougars) in the big provincial parks in Alberta/BC.

(I caught that btw, before you changed it! LOL)

There are no elk this far north, but in the panhandle of Alaska there are Sitka blacktail deer. They are one of the smaller species of deer, with males barely reaching as much as 200 pounds and females about half that weight. They would not be difficult for a mountain lion to take down. They are also big enough to take down caribou, but then they would be competing with the wolves and I think the wolves would win in this case. Wolves are coursing predators whereas mountain lions are ambush predators.
 
Mountain lions have been spotted in Alaska, but they are very rare.

Mountain Lions in Alaska - Alaska Department of Fish & Game

Lots of mountain lions in California, maybe because there are very few wolves in the state at all, and none in the central and southern parts.

Or maybe it's all those young men in bathing suits surfing on the coast.
Oh wait: No, that's the other kind of cougar.
Seriously, there are a lot of four legged cougars here, any place that there are deer, there are likely to be mountain lions.

The Sierra Club got hunting cougars outlawed in California some 30 or so years ago. As a result, there are more cougars. Then, they tried to re introduce mountain goats to the Eastern Sierra. Guess what ate their goats.
 
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