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    Re: Utah senate unanimously moves to decriminalize polygamy

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    That (bolded above) is where things get tricky, legally. Any other US state's (existing) marriage contract has two requirements that the concept of polygamy violates, a single other partner (spouse) limit and a requirement that neither party is in another current marriage contract.

    The fact that business partnership contracts (generally) have no such restrictions on the number of partners leads me to believe that marriage contracts could be devised to handle more than two partners, but the question remains as to whether that is possible on a state by state basis. For example, if the polygamous (or polyamorous?) marriage occurred in Utah would each spouse be covered by medical care insurance if they moved to Virginia or for the purpose of federal spousal survivor benefits under Social Security?
    Imagine the tax codes that would have to be changed as well. How many deductions we could have if we had 10 wives :-) Of course, they would have to all be over 7's on a scale of 1 - 10

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    Re: Utah senate unanimously moves to decriminalize polygamy

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    Go into a bathroom of my choice
    One employs the appropriate restroom. You should have learned this in elementary school.

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    Re: Utah senate unanimously moves to decriminalize polygamy

    Quote Originally Posted by Cougarbear View Post
    Imagine the tax codes that would have to be changed as well. How many deductions we could have if we had 10 wives :-) Of course, they would have to all be over 7's on a scale of 1 - 10
    The income tax codes should be changed to eliminate any complexity based on how or upon who one's income was later spent.
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    Re: Utah senate unanimously moves to decriminalize polygamy

    Quote Originally Posted by Cougarbear View Post
    This is just the beginning. The liberals started down this road supporting and defending gays and transvestites and transgender people the right to marriage and other things straight people don't even get. This will go on to other states as well. Eventually, it will end up back in the Supreme Court to decide about Polygamy. Ironic it's starting with Utah... I don't see how it's any more harmful than gays marrying and having children...
    I'm as liberal as all get-out and I support this, long as it's all between consenting adults, none of this middle-aged elders preying on teenage girls crap. Hell, have it work both ways or any combinations you want. Who's to say free adults shouldn't do what they want, just so nobody's hurt?
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    Re: Utah senate unanimously moves to decriminalize polygamy

    Quote Originally Posted by Cougarbear View Post
    Go into a bathroom of my choice
    Why do you want to use the women's bathroom and what exactly are you going to be doing in there to cause such alarm that a female would need to call the police?

    I have seen a man use a women's bathroom more than a few times to strictly do their business and the world didn't end.
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    Re: Utah senate unanimously moves to decriminalize polygamy

    Quote Originally Posted by JacksinPA View Post
    Utah senate unanimously moves to decriminalize polygamy | US news | The Guardian

    Sponsor says bill would help otherwise law-abiding polygamists gain access to critical services, but critics say polygamy is harmful

    The Utah state senate voted unanimously on Tuesday to effectively decriminalize polygamy among consenting adults, reducing penalties for a practice with deep religious roots in the predominantly Mormon state.

    The bill, which would treat the offense of plural marriage as a simple infraction on par with a parking ticket, now moves to the Utah house of representatives, where it is likely to face greater resistance.
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    This is odd - Utah was only allowed to join the United States after it abolished polygamy. See Utah's very interesting path to statehood - National Constitution Center

    'Most significant was lawmakers' and others' hostility toward the church's practice of polygamy, which the Republican Party had denounced as one of the “twin relics of barbarism” along with slavery. (The church opposed slavery.)

    Polygamy was forbidden by a series of federal laws. In addition, a Supreme Court decision in 1879, Reynolds v. U.S., ruled against a Mormon husband who called plural marriage his religious duty as protected by the First Amendment. Chief Justice Morrison R. Waite wrote:

    “Can a man excuse his practices…because of his religious belief? To permit this would be to make the professed doctrines of religious belief superior to the law of the land.”
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    Dealing with one wife is plenty for me but having my choice of sleeping partners might be worth a try. Variety is the spice of life.
    Decriminalization is not the same as legalization. Polygamy as currently practiced involves one wife who is legally married to a man who may have an unlimited number of "celestial" wives who are married as far as their church is concerned, but are not legally married to him. They don't qualify for his health insurance etc. If polygamy is decriminalized, that doesn't mean the celestial wives become legally married. It just means that nobody goes to jail.

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    Re: Utah senate unanimously moves to decriminalize polygamy

    Quote Originally Posted by JacksinPA View Post
    This is the key: consenting adults entering into a civil contract that was formally thought of as "marriage". We'd like to think that government gets to say who partners with who, and for what reasons.

    Once gay marriage was allowed, this eliminated that concept. Polygamy, father/son (as long as the son is 18), it's merely a civil contract that people formally (and incorrectly) thought of as marriage.

    Anyone that is for gay marriage but against polygamy, or a father/son partnership, is merely drawing the line in a different place as to who they discriminate against.
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    Re: Utah senate unanimously moves to decriminalize polygamy

    Quote Originally Posted by Cougarbear View Post
    This is just the beginning. The liberals started down this road supporting and defending gays and transvestites and transgender people the right to marriage and other things straight people don't even get. This will go on to other states as well. Eventually, it will end up back in the Supreme Court to decide about Polygamy. Ironic it's starting with Utah... I don't see how it's any more harmful than gays marrying and having children...
    I suggest you read up on what actually happens in polygamous communities. The men in power decide who gets another bride. Quickly, there is an excess of eligible young bachelors and not enough young available women. If a young man hopes to marry, he must prove himself worthy by being loyal to the older men who wield power and authority. That power and authority is often abused in perverted ways. Other young men (boys as young as thirteen) are simply removed from the community, often on trumped up or completely fabricated charges of sin. Many of these boys are sexually abused as well.

    Here are some links to get you started.

    Link 1 The lost boys, thrown out of US sect so that older men can marry more wives

    Link 2 From Polygamist Royalty To FLDS Lost Boy

    Yes, polygamy is harmful.

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    Re: Utah senate unanimously moves to decriminalize polygamy

    Quote Originally Posted by bearpoker View Post
    Decriminalization is not the same as legalization. Polygamy as currently practiced involves one wife who is legally married to a man who may have an unlimited number of "celestial" wives who are married as far as their church is concerned, but are not legally married to him. They don't qualify for his health insurance etc. If polygamy is decriminalized, that doesn't mean the celestial wives become legally married. It just means that nobody goes to jail.
    And because those "celestial wives" are legally single, when they give birth they are eligible for various welfare subsidies. The polygamists call this "bleeding the beast (government)."

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    Re: Utah senate unanimously moves to decriminalize polygamy

    One wife is more than enough for any man.

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