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Has California Lost The Mandate of Heaven?

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oftwominds-Charles Hugh Smith: Has California Lost The Mandate of Heaven?

At that point, it's too late: there's no bid for overpriced decaying bungalows, overpriced tech stocks, etc.
In Chinese history, natural disasters were viewed as portents that the The Mandate of Heaven (tianming or "Heaven's will") had been withdrawn from the ruling dynasty. Broadening this concept a bit to regional dominance and power, we might ask: has California lost the Mandate of Heaven?

California is disintegrating because its been environmental over common sense, and social causes over common sense. If you don’t take care of business, business will take care of you. And the recession democrats have been hoping for may just bankrupt the state.

One party state + one party media = corruption.
 
oftwominds-Charles Hugh Smith: Has California Lost The Mandate of Heaven?



California is disintegrating because its been environmental over common sense, and social causes over common sense. If you don’t take care of business, business will take care of you. And the recession democrats have been hoping for may just bankrupt the state.

One party state + one party media = corruption.

So you believe in Chinese folk lore as fact huh? :lamo

Just FYI that would mean One party country + one party president = corruption. That is what YOU folks advocated for.
 
oftwominds-Charles Hugh Smith: Has California Lost The Mandate of Heaven?



California is disintegrating because its been environmental over common sense, and social causes over common sense. If you don’t take care of business, business will take care of you. And the recession democrats have been hoping for may just bankrupt the state.

One party state + one party media = corruption.

The Republicans in California could be a force if they wanted to but for some reason they have decided they would rather not change in any way and continue to lose.
 
To lose the Mandate of Heaven they would have to first be the leader. California is not America's leader. It is its drunk uncle you cannot avoid showing up at family gatherings.
 
oftwominds-Charles Hugh Smith: Has California Lost The Mandate of Heaven?



California is disintegrating because its been environmental over common sense, and social causes over common sense. If you don’t take care of business, business will take care of you. And the recession democrats have been hoping for may just bankrupt the state.

One party state + one party media = corruption.

Attributing natural disasters to the supernatural goes back to Neanderthals. You'd have to be a real throwback to still believe something like that.
 
Attributing natural disasters to the supernatural goes back to Neanderthals. You'd have to be a real throwback to still believe something like that.

It seems to be everything. Homeless, crime, high taxes, roads going to hell.
 
Even while burning, California is so much more awesome than most of America. Spent a great weekend in Highland Park last weekend after 3 tedious days in Nashville. Great state!
 
To lose the Mandate of Heaven they would have to first be the leader. California is not America's leader. It is its drunk uncle you cannot avoid showing up at family gatherings.

You are describing Trump at this time being the drunk uncle the family is ashamed of.
 
You are describing Trump at this time being the drunk uncle the family is ashamed of.

I said avoid, not be ashamed of, and there is no avoiding Donnie these days. That is the DNC's obsession. They have irresistible compulsion to bring him into everything. If in doubt, just take a look back at post # 9 in this thread.
 
oftwominds-Charles Hugh Smith: Has California Lost The Mandate of Heaven?



California is disintegrating because its been environmental over common sense, and social causes over common sense. If you don’t take care of business, business will take care of you. And the recession democrats have been hoping for may just bankrupt the state.

One party state + one party media = corruption.

Take for instance the gas tax proposition that was worded so purposely poor that many people thought they were voting against it.
And guess who worded that prop? Democrat AG Javier Becerra...:roll:
 
I said avoid, not be ashamed of, and there is no avoiding Donnie these days. That is the DNC's obsession. They have irresistible compulsion to bring him into everything. If in doubt, just take a look back at post # 9 in this thread.

You're telling me that if democrats stopping talking about the President then I wouldn't hear about him?
 
I said avoid, not be ashamed of, and there is no avoiding Donnie these days. That is the DNC's obsession. They have irresistible compulsion to bring him into everything. If in doubt, just take a look back at post # 9 in this thread.

All the attention trump gets is because Trump takes actions to make it happen. Just like the drunk uncle in the family who makes an ass out of himself to the point the family has to take action, that is what trump does. And this time trump may be the first president of this century to get impeached by the house and senate or trump paves the way to a Dem house, senate and presidency for the next 16 years.
 
The Republicans in California could be a force if they wanted to but for some reason they have decided they would rather not change in any way and continue to lose.

Exactly. Conservatives ran this state into the ground and the voters knew it. That is why Republicans wound up being defeated by a supermajority. These California Whiny Malcontents refuse to admit that they screwed themselves by ignoring the cautionary tale about going too far. And the voters saw what happened when they went too far in Kansas, and the voters pulled themselves back from the abyss in one of the most stunning electoral defeats in US state history.

But no, according to these malcontents, everyone else in California is WRONG, and only their tiny handful could possibly be right. And for all the talk of California's impending demise, we are now the fifth largest economy on Earth, and we have a surplus.

All they have to do is sell better ideas.
Know what their best idea is right now?
Another tax cut.

The only two good ideas California conservatives have come up with in the last twenty years is easing restrictions on concealed carry permits and reforming our ICE interactions to allow immigration officials to intercept criminal aliens and deport them.
And even with the latter, they are unwilling to allow any compromise that might mitigate minor infractions or take into account a person's history as a taxpayer, their employment, military service or other background factors.

Nope, it is all or nothing, so currently, they've got nothing.
 
It seems to be everything. Homeless, crime, high taxes, roads going to hell.

The world is disaster. Climate change, polar ice melting, more extreme weather events, wildfires, mass extinctions, oil spills and plastics killing the oceans, over development, over population, depleting resources, riots, wars, mass migrations...even space is polluted with garbage. But don't let it get you down...



 
Take a look at the substance of what CHS is saying:

"Young residents of the state have never experienced the velocity and depth of California's famous busts. The last real spot of bother in California's economy occurred almost 30 years ago in the early 1990s. Since then, it's been one boom after another."

Scuse me, who was in power in California in the 1990's?
I know who because I was living here back then, at least until 1998 anyway.
The Republicans had it all tied up. California had been in their back pocket for a very long time.
And even the Northridge Quake and the massive insurance fraud committed openly with the tacit nudge-wink approval of California Insurance Commissioner Chuck Quackenbush did not disabuse Californians of their destructive political choices.

I personally lost $350 thousand dollar worth of video editing and duplicating gear in that quake.
And I was INSURED. But guess what? This was before all those nifty "small home office" definitions from the IRS, and commercial grade pro gear used to have stickers on the back that said "FOR COMMERCIAL USE ONLY".
Reason? Because insurers in California used that as an excuse to NOT COVER anything of pro quality...commercial gear if it was housed/stored in a residential area.

And I later learned that this was not adequately codified in all the fine print but by that point I'd been beaten so badly there was no way I could afford the high litigation costs alone. In any case, I never pursued finding an attorney beyond a few feelers, there was just too much mess to deal with, on several levels.

It took the sum total collective and combined memory of that and other scandals, PLUS the eventual Republican interstate acts of war from Texas, which caused the California Electricity Crisis of 2000 (Enron) and then the gradual selloffs of state owned properties en masse, closures of police stations, schools, streetlights, and many other public city services, even the layoff of an ENTIRE town police force in urban Southern California...finally, the dam broke.

California Republicans wanted the entire state to resemble Lodi or Turlock, which means they wanted it to resemble Sam Brownback's version of Kansas. That's what they've always wanted.

The idea finally soured an overwhelming majority on Republicans. It took decades, but they finally screwed the pooch one too many times.
And you know what? I understand that there are sane and decent conservatives here in California.

Unfortunately for them, they too are being branded as crypto-leftists by their Trumpian peers.
 
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To lose the Mandate of Heaven they would have to first be the leader. California is not America's leader. It is its drunk uncle you cannot avoid showing up at family gatherings.

Attributing natural disasters to the supernatural goes back to Neanderthals. You'd have to be a real throwback to still believe something like that.

It seems to be everything. Homeless, crime, high taxes, roads going to hell.

Even while burning, California is so much more awesome than most of America. Spent a great weekend in Highland Park last weekend after 3 tedious days in Nashville. Great state!

Hanson hits it out of the park, as usual.

T/Y.

Take for instance the gas tax proposition that was worded so purposely poor that many people thought they were voting against it.
And guess who worded that prop? Democrat AG Javier Becerra...:roll:

Last I heard, Cali was running a surplus ...

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"The mandate of heaven"? Are we living in the 12th century? :lamo

It s great in that new subdivisions are being built that allow people to move away from the problems. What was once ranch land is now subdivisions full of people fleeing the chaos of the bay area. We used to call that “leap frog development”. More and more are gated communities, which BTW, I would gouge my eyes out before I would live in one.

Even though the population gradually falls, the true problem is “population exchange”. IOW, poor services dependent persons are replacing taxpayers. The result is pockets of extreme asset poverty - high wages, but still not high enough, and middle skilled people living in their cars in their work parking lots. (Esp. San Jose). And driving back to their central valley (formerly farm) towns on the weekends.

The only way to be middle class in California is to be high income*, or in the case of bay area people, bring in enough equity to have a low or no house payment, or have owned a home for a long time and have a low payment.

Those who were once Republicans, has moved on to jobs in other states for work and housing. The rest have morphed into middle class independents.

The Republican party has never really been a majority party. It has always been the go-to party to solve problems created by the excesses of the democrats. Excessive taxes, wars, now add in excessive regulations, social justice headaches, China and its predatory behavior. When you are sick of democrats you come to the republican party for relief.

*Solid middle class family in Sacramento county is ~ $100k a year, dual income. ($25k rent, $36k + own)
**Mandate of Heaven: This was the title of the piece. It was part of the belief system that helped drive that drive the US out of Vietnam. Using it as an O.P. trigger is optional.
 
Last I heard, Cali was running a surplus ...

Smoke and mirrors. Add to that the massive increases in fees, and other revenue confiscation the Progressives have engaged in, and the temporary fiscal shenanigans paint a false picture.

California is doomed.
 
Last I heard, Cali was running a surplus ...

Not exactly. They have created a “recession fund” because so much of California income is from investment taxes - capital gains are state taxed as regular income. So when gains fall, the state craters.

State of California Debt Clock

State debt is mostly bonds, plus another unrealized deficit of $500 billion in underfunded public retirements not shown in the totals.

California plays a bond game. Voters allocate X billions for roads from a new gas tax. As the fund grows, the state issues bonds and takes the cash and puts it in the general fund. So if you want to resurface a road, it takes two or three years to get funding approved since the state has to bond over the money from some where else. Cute.
 
Both Republican and Democratic governors appointed members to the Public Utility Commission that let PG&E defer maintenance so there is plenty of blame to go around.
 
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