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    Re: California To Have Ethnic Studies Curriculum For High School Graduation?

    Quote Originally Posted by PoS View Post
    Youre basic things anecdotally. I also have some racist relatives a do most people, thats just the way we all are.

    As far as humanity goes, of course people will be more polite in public and will not show their real selves. Do you honestly think teaching these classes will change people?

    As far as this culture war goes, I dont think everything is black and white, either/or. You can have conservatism without racism, and the country has advanced to the point where racism is a losing bet anyway, so I really dont see the need for this type of teaching. I'd rather see kids being taught about how to save money and invest what they earn than this sort of revisionist ****.
    I'm not saying that these classes will fix racism, PoS (nor am I saying they won't help, because learning more about other cultures does in fact make them more relatable - some people will have a more open mind for having taken the class, some won't). I'm saying that the people calling ethnic studies classes fascist probably have some skeletons in their closet.
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    Re: California To Have Ethnic Studies Curriculum For High School Graduation?

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    First draft of state ethnic studies curriculum '''falls short,''' board says - Los Angeles Times




    This is insane. When I attended high school in LA, there was no requirement for an ethnic studies subject prior to graduation. How is this going to help graduates find jobs? In what way could this have any sort of meaningful impact? Good lord what has California turned into?
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    Re: California To Have Ethnic Studies Curriculum For High School Graduation?

    Quote Originally Posted by CharisRose View Post

    {snippity snip snip}

    Sorry, but we will need to agree to disagree.

    Roseann
    Hi, Roseann. Sorry so long for the response, I've been away.

    Society's effort to get better...well, in this context, that includes things like doing it's best to move away from racism and discrimination, and other small minded phobias, and it is happening in what most would consider "first world" or "free" countries all around the world. One way of combating racism and discrimination is to denormalize hateful language, and teach people a better, more respectful way to approach communication.

    If you consider that "fascism", well...I guess we must agree to disagree. Personally I think it's a little hysterical and overly dramatic myself, and were it me doing my best to stand in the way of that, I might be due for some self reflection as to why, but to each their own. I think the term "social luddite" is apropos, though. There's just more of us than there are of you. As I've said elsewhere, time will take care of what decency and compromise can't. That might sound harsh and flippant, and perhaps it is, but it is not meant to be cruel. I acknowledge that there are folks who cannot, or will not, adapt - it's important to do so, to know where to focus one's efforts. My child's voice will last longer than yours...which is why I support teaching decency, which, make no mistake, this is about decency, to our children, irrespective of whether or not those children's parents are decent or not.
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    Re: California To Have Ethnic Studies Curriculum For High School Graduation?

    Quote Originally Posted by OlNate View Post
    Hi, Roseann. Sorry so long for the response, I've been away.

    Society's effort to get better...well, in this context, that includes things like doing it's best to move away from racism and discrimination, and other small minded phobias, and it is happening in what most would consider "first world" or "free" countries all around the world. One way of combating racism and discrimination is to denormalize hateful language, and teach people a better, more respectful way to approach communication.

    If you consider that "fascism", well...I guess we must agree to disagree. Personally I think it's a little hysterical and overly dramatic myself, and were it me doing my best to stand in the way of that, I might be due for some self reflection as to why, but to each their own. I think the term "social luddite" is apropos, though. There's just more of us than there are of you. As I've said elsewhere, time will take care of what decency and compromise can't. That might sound harsh and flippant, and perhaps it is, but it is not meant to be cruel. I acknowledge that there are folks who cannot, or will not, adapt - it's important to do so, to know where to focus one's efforts. My child's voice will last longer than yours...which is why I support teaching decency, which, make no mistake, this is about decency, to our children, irrespective of whether or not those children's parents are decent or not.
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    Re: California To Have Ethnic Studies Curriculum For High School Graduation?

    How about teaching what it means to be an American. All ethnic groups should be addressed. Some have said the US is a melting pot. It is way past time we all came together.
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    Re: California To Have Ethnic Studies Curriculum For High School Graduation?

    Quote Originally Posted by OlNate View Post
    Hi, Roseann. Sorry so long for the response, I've been away.

    Society's effort to get better...well, in this context, that includes things like doing it's best to move away from racism and discrimination, and other small minded phobias, and it is happening in what most would consider "first world" or "free" countries all around the world. One way of combating racism and discrimination is to denormalize hateful language, and teach people a better, more respectful way to approach communication.

    If you consider that "fascism", well...I guess we must agree to disagree. Personally I think it's a little hysterical and overly dramatic myself, and were it me doing my best to stand in the way of that, I might be due for some self reflection as to why, but to each their own. I think the term "social luddite" is apropos, though. There's just more of us than there are of you. As I've said elsewhere, time will take care of what decency and compromise can't. That might sound harsh and flippant, and perhaps it is, but it is not meant to be cruel. I acknowledge that there are folks who cannot, or will not, adapt - it's important to do so, to know where to focus one's efforts. My child's voice will last longer than yours...which is why I support teaching decency, which, make no mistake, this is about decency, to our children, irrespective of whether or not those children's parents are decent or not.
    No, problem. Sometimes I take awhile to respond to posts.

    Exactly, who are these People (Society) you speak of that want to teach all people (society) a better, more respectful way to approach communication via denormalizing hateful language.

    What exactly is hateful language?

    Has hateful language been clearly defined by the Society?

    Will hate speech laws with fines or punishment be needed to accomplish denormalizing hateful language?

    Is there currently a curriculum that has been authorized by the Society?

    If so, have you actually read that curriculum.

    If not, why promote this idea as being beneficial to children without having any knowledge of how it actually works to the benefit of the children?

    Please, provide all of the infalliable rules that can accurately detect all of those with real hate in their hearts for other people based on their mere words.

    The kind of hate that leads to harmful actions in real life.

    In real life my interactions with my fellow human beings...

    My voice, does not speak hateful words to my fellow human beings.

    I respect my fellow human beings as human beings just like myself.

    I am not superior. I am not inferior.

    We are all equally human beings deserving respect regardless of any other factors.

    I actually practice decency with my fellow human beings, I don't just talk about being decent.

    I taught my children via practicing what I preached to them via my example when dealing with other people. Even the ones who were prone to speaking hateful words.

    Does the Society you speak of practice what they preach when they encounter those who speak hateful words or do they respond with their own hateful words?

    Lots of hateful words have been directed at Republicans, Trump and the voters who voted for him and those who didn't vote for him, but support him as the duly Elected POTUS and those who plan on voting for him in 2020.

    So, hate words are permissible under certain circumstances depending on who is using them.

    The "good" people with good intentions to do away with hate words are allowed to use hate words because they are the "good" people who do not have hate in their hearts but only use hate words to attack the bad people verbally to send a message that they desire decency and want to make the world a better place.

    imho Roseann

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    Re: California To Have Ethnic Studies Curriculum For High School Graduation?

    Quote Originally Posted by OlNate View Post
    Hi, Roseann. Sorry so long for the response, I've been away.

    Society's effort to get better...well, in this context, that includes things like doing it's best to move away from racism and discrimination, and other small minded phobias, and it is happening in what most would consider "first world" or "free" countries all around the world. One way of combating racism and discrimination is to denormalize hateful language, and teach people a better, more respectful way to approach communication.

    If you consider that "fascism", well...I guess we must agree to disagree. Personally I think it's a little hysterical and overly dramatic myself, and were it me doing my best to stand in the way of that, I might be due for some self reflection as to why, but to each their own. I think the term "social luddite" is apropos, though. There's just more of us than there are of you. As I've said elsewhere, time will take care of what decency and compromise can't. That might sound harsh and flippant, and perhaps it is, but it is not meant to be cruel. I acknowledge that there are folks who cannot, or will not, adapt - it's important to do so, to know where to focus one's efforts. My child's voice will last longer than yours...which is why I support teaching decency, which, make no mistake, this is about decency, to our children, irrespective of whether or not those children's parents are decent or not.
    What, exactly is facism?

    I agree with George Orwell...

    George Orwell: What is Fascism?

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    It will be seen that, as used, the word ‘Fascism’ is almost entirely meaningless. In conversation, of course, it is used even more wildly than in print. I have heard it applied to farmers, shopkeepers, Social Credit, corporal punishment, fox-hunting, bull-fighting, the 1922 Committee, the 1941 Committee, Kipling, Gandhi, Chiang Kai-Shek, homosexuality, Priestley's broadcasts, Youth Hostels, astrology, women, dogs and I do not know what else.

    Yet underneath all this mess there does lie a kind of buried meaning. To begin with, it is clear that there are very great differences, some of them easy to point out and not easy to explain away, between the régimes called Fascist and those called democratic. Secondly, if ‘Fascist’ means ‘in sympathy with Hitler’, some of the accusations I have listed above are obviously very much more justified than others. Thirdly, even the people who recklessly fling the word ‘Fascist’ in every direction attach at any rate an emotional significance to it. By ‘Fascism’ they mean, roughly speaking, something cruel, unscrupulous, arrogant, obscurantist, anti-liberal and anti-working-class. Except for the relatively small number of Fascist sympathizers, almost any English person would accept ‘bully’ as a synonym for ‘Fascist’. That is about as near to a definition as this much-abused word has come.

    But Fascism is also a political and economic system. Why, then, cannot we have a clear and generally accepted definition of it? Alas! we shall not get one — not yet, anyway. To say why would take too long, but basically it is because it is impossible to define Fascism satisfactorily without making admissions which neither the Fascists themselves, nor the Conservatives, nor Socialists of any colour, are willing to make. All one can do for the moment is to use the word with a certain amount of circumspection and not, as is usually done, degrade it to the level of a swearword.

    Roseann

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    Re: California To Have Ethnic Studies Curriculum For High School Graduation?

    Quote Originally Posted by CharisRose View Post
    {liberally snipping where needed...}

    Exactly, who are these People (Society) you speak of that want to teach all people (society) a better, more respectful way to approach communication via denormalizing hateful language.
    That would be the majority of folks, as demonstrable by the fact that PC isn't going away, and is becoming a societal norm, especially in business. If it were not a majority, these initiatives would not take root, and we would not be having this discussion.

    Quote Originally Posted by CharisRose View Post
    What exactly is hateful language?
    Do you actually not know? Perhaps this is part of your problem. If you're playing dumb here to drive a point, I'd invite you to take the direct approach next time. If you really need this explained to you, then I'll take a stab at it, but I give you credit for being able to think this one through.

    Quote Originally Posted by CharisRose View Post
    Has hateful language been clearly defined by the Society?
    Many times, and many times it has changed. This shouldn't be problematic for a society that is convinced they need to buy a new iphone every year...hehe..

    Quote Originally Posted by CharisRose View Post
    Will hate speech laws with fines or punishment be needed to accomplish denormalizing hateful language?
    In Canada, hate speech laws are clearly defined, and there are clearly defined penalties for committing them. I'd expect that would be the same anywhere. But that's not what this is really all about, so...gonna leave this here.

    Quote Originally Posted by CharisRose View Post
    Is there currently a curriculum that has been authorized by the Society?
    Not specifically, I'm not sure "Society" has been tasked with this. However, any curriculum would (or should) be based on current societal initiatives to improve. I mean, we wouldn't teach Windows 95 in our kids' computer classes, so not sure how this is much different.

    Quote Originally Posted by CharisRose View Post
    If not, why promote this idea as being beneficial to children without having any knowledge of how it actually works to the benefit of the children?
    There are a couple answers I could give here... If my son decides to become an engineer, should I get all verklempt because I am not, and therefore don't have any understanding of the curriculum being presented? My own ignorance is not a reason to hold my child back.

    Quote Originally Posted by CharisRose View Post
    Please, provide all of the infalliable rules that can accurately detect all of those with real hate in their hearts for other people based on their mere words.

    The kind of hate that leads to harmful actions in real life.
    Why? Removing hate is impossible. Ettiqutte, on the other hand, can be employed regardless of what one keeps in their hearts. I say please and thank you to everyone, regardless of whether or not I like or respect them. Also...maybe simmer down on the condescension. I'm not mad, I know how easy it is to slip into, but I'm doing my best to be nice here.

    I would suggest that all hate leads to harm. Can you think of any positive hate, in the context of it being between people?

    Quote Originally Posted by CharisRose View Post
    In real life my interactions with my fellow human beings...

    My voice, does not speak hateful words to my fellow human beings. {etc}
    Then you should have nothing to worry about, and seem like the kind of person who would support teaching other kids, less kind than you, that there is no place for that in today's and tomorrow's world. Why are we arguing?

    Quote Originally Posted by CharisRose View Post
    I taught my children via practicing what I preached to them via my example when dealing with other people. Even the ones who were prone to speaking hateful words.
    That's great - thank you. But not all parents are as responsible as you are. This isn't about your kids. This is about all kids.

    ...more to follow, we're both wordy...
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    Re: California To Have Ethnic Studies Curriculum For High School Graduation?

    Quote Originally Posted by CharisRose View Post
    Does the Society you speak of practice what they preach when they encounter those who speak hateful words or do they respond with their own hateful words?

    Lots of hateful words have been directed at Republicans, Trump and the voters who voted for him and those who didn't vote for him, but support him as the duly Elected POTUS and those who plan on voting for him in 2020.
    That's societal pressure, and it can be seen any time societal changes are underway. An extreme example is the French revolution. In order to establish democracy, some heads had to roll...but only after a significant buildup of societal pressure forced a massive, instant change. Humans, sadly, default to the path of least resistance, and sometimes that means violence (though I certainly do not advocate for that). Fact is, society can only stand pressure so long, as seen time and time again in history. Eventually something gives. Question, though...is France better off as a democracy, or a monarchy?

    There is lots of hate to go around....but you probably ought not to bring Trump into it, as he nurtured and weaponized hatred and division to secure his power. The bed he sleeps in is the bed he made...and all that.

    Quote Originally Posted by CharisRose View Post
    So, hate words are permissible under certain circumstances depending on who is using them.
    When you're talking about "permissible", that becomes a question of law, which is not what this is about. Right now all words are permissible in America. This is about teaching kids to be better than the bottom of the barrel - which, I suppose, with no standards, is actually...bottomless?

    Quote Originally Posted by CharisRose View Post
    The "good" people with good intentions to do away with hate words are allowed to use hate words because they are the "good" people who do not have hate in their hearts but only use hate words to attack the bad people verbally to send a message that they desire decency and want to make the world a better place.
    I'm not sure that's a question...and I'm not sure it's accurate as a statement either. But if you want to take another stab at making that point, I'll hear it.
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