• This is a political forum that is non-biased/non-partisan and treats every person's position on topics equally. This debate forum is not aligned to any political party. In today's politics, many ideas are split between and even within all the political parties. Often we find ourselves agreeing on one platform but some topics break our mold. We are here to discuss them in a civil political debate. If this is your first visit to our political forums, be sure to check out the RULES. Registering for debate politics is necessary before posting. Register today to participate - it's free!

Utah teacher forces student to wash off Ash Wednesday cross

JacksinPA

Supporting Member
DP Veteran
Monthly Donator
Joined
Dec 3, 2017
Messages
26,290
Reaction score
16,771
Gender
Male
Political Leaning
Progressive
Utah teacher forces student to wash off Ash Wednesday cross

SALT LAKE CITY (AP) — A teacher in the predominantly Mormon state of Utah was placed on administrative leave after she forced a Catholic student to wash off the Ash Wednesday cross from his forehead.

William McLeod, 9, had just returned to his school near Salt Lake City after attending Catholic mass when his fourth-grade teacher called the ash marking “inappropriate” and gave him a hand wipe to clean it off in front of his classmates, grandmother Karen Fisher said.
======================================
Utah is a virtual theocracy, apparently intolerant of other religious views beyond the LDS.
 
Utah teacher forces student to wash off Ash Wednesday cross

SALT LAKE CITY (AP) — A teacher in the predominantly Mormon state of Utah was placed on administrative leave after she forced a Catholic student to wash off the Ash Wednesday cross from his forehead.

William McLeod, 9, had just returned to his school near Salt Lake City after attending Catholic mass when his fourth-grade teacher called the ash marking “inappropriate” and gave him a hand wipe to clean it off in front of his classmates, grandmother Karen Fisher said.
======================================
Utah is a virtual theocracy, apparently intolerant of other religious views beyond the LDS.

Yes they must clearly be intolerant because as the report states, the teacher was praised and is still actively teaching...oh wait, she was placed on administrative leave pending investigation, but first called before the school board and compelled to apologize to the child and parent.

Yep...very theocratically intolerant that entire State must be. :coffeepap:
 
My first thought would be that the teacher was ignorant of the practice rather than that he or she had malicious intent. Lots and lots of people these days are way more wrapped up in their own world than they are in the world at large.
 
Fisher said Patterson asked if she could reapply the ashes herself.

“I told her that’s not how it works,” Fisher said.

Fisher, who lives with William, said Patterson gave a handwritten note and candy bar to William as an apology.

I'm with Luther on this one. My money is on this being an act of ignorance as opposed to an act of malice.
 
Utah teacher forces student to wash off Ash Wednesday cross

SALT LAKE CITY (AP) — A teacher in the predominantly Mormon state of Utah was placed on administrative leave after she forced a Catholic student to wash off the Ash Wednesday cross from his forehead.

William McLeod, 9, had just returned to his school near Salt Lake City after attending Catholic mass when his fourth-grade teacher called the ash marking “inappropriate” and gave him a hand wipe to clean it off in front of his classmates, grandmother Karen Fisher said.
======================================
Utah is a virtual theocracy, apparently intolerant of other religious views beyond the LDS.

Utah, nuff' said.

I bet the kids can wear CTR rings though.:roll:
 
Utah teacher forces student to wash off Ash Wednesday cross

SALT LAKE CITY (AP) — A teacher in the predominantly Mormon state of Utah was placed on administrative leave after she forced a Catholic student to wash off the Ash Wednesday cross from his forehead.

William McLeod, 9, had just returned to his school near Salt Lake City after attending Catholic mass when his fourth-grade teacher called the ash marking “inappropriate” and gave him a hand wipe to clean it off in front of his classmates, grandmother Karen Fisher said.
======================================
Utah is a virtual theocracy, apparently intolerant of other religious views beyond the LDS.


I'm missing in that story the usual crap ... the **** the liberals and lefties love so much: the parent calling the teacher all sorts of names and then suing the school.
 
My first thought would be that the teacher was ignorant of the practice rather than that he or she had malicious intent. Lots and lots of people these days are way more wrapped up in their own world than they are in the world at large.

I grew up with many Catholic friends, socially and in school, and I don't recall ever seeing anyone sporting an ash cross.
 
I grew up with many Catholic friends, socially and in school, and I don't recall ever seeing anyone sporting an ash cross.

Is it appropriate for children to display one so?
 
Utah teacher forces student to wash off Ash Wednesday cross

SALT LAKE CITY (AP) — A teacher in the predominantly Mormon state of Utah was placed on administrative leave after she forced a Catholic student to wash off the Ash Wednesday cross from his forehead.

William McLeod, 9, had just returned to his school near Salt Lake City after attending Catholic mass when his fourth-grade teacher called the ash marking “inappropriate” and gave him a hand wipe to clean it off in front of his classmates, grandmother Karen Fisher said.
======================================
Utah is a virtual theocracy, apparently intolerant of other religious views beyond the LDS.

Sounds like shes guilty of not asking "Why do you have that cross on your forehead?" I guess the average teacher teaches us about society.
 
Is it appropriate for children to display one so?

Sure. It was an Ash Wednesday ritual for everyone. Infants to the elderly would get the blessing.
 
Sure. It was an Ash Wednesday ritual for everyone. Infants to the elderly would get the blessing.

My second thought, after the same first, was that it's actually not appropriate, as I know nothing.
 
I grew up with many Catholic friends, socially and in school, and I don't recall ever seeing anyone sporting an ash cross.

It's common among Catholics I've known, especially the more devout Catholics. In school, I saw kids with the ash cross; also, some of my employees came in with ash adornment from early mass during this time of year. Nobody thought twice about it.
 
Utah teacher forces student to wash off Ash Wednesday cross

SALT LAKE CITY (AP) — A teacher in the predominantly Mormon state of Utah was placed on administrative leave after she forced a Catholic student to wash off the Ash Wednesday cross from his forehead.

William McLeod, 9, had just returned to his school near Salt Lake City after attending Catholic mass when his fourth-grade teacher called the ash marking “inappropriate” and gave him a hand wipe to clean it off in front of his classmates, grandmother Karen Fisher said.
======================================
Utah is a virtual theocracy, apparently intolerant of other religious views beyond the LDS.
pretty sure one teacher doesn't speak for the entire state. Do you live there?
 
My first thought would be that the teacher was ignorant of the practice rather than that he or she had malicious intent. Lots and lots of people these days are way more wrapped up in their own world than they are in the world at large.

If the teacher is that ignorant no wonder the kids are so damn dumb
 
It's common among Catholics I've known, especially the more devout Catholics. In school, I saw kids with the ash cross; also, some of my employees came in with ash adornment from early mass during this time of year. Nobody thought twice about it.

I went to Catholic grade school and high school, I hated Ash Wednesday. I just couldn't handle some smudgy thumb print of ashes on my head, just grossed me out.

For the last 35 years or so, I gave up religion for lent.
 
Chances are the teacher was a mind-numbed liberal.

Evidence for that:

The mother speaking about the teacher: "I asked her if she read the Constitution with the First Amendment and she said, 'No and ohhhh," said Fisher."

Utah student forced to remove Ash Wednesday cross in class

Christianity and the Constitution - two things most liberals are ignorant of.
 
I went to Catholic grade school and high school, I hated Ash Wednesday. I just couldn't handle some smudgy thumb print of ashes on my head, just grossed me out.

For the last 35 years or so, I gave up religion for lent.

Eh, I'm not religious; however, I support those who are. Christian, Jewish, Muslim, Catholic, I don't care. I respect those who practice their religious beliefs. Freedom of religion, freedom from religion, is an American belief.

Those who rebuke any religion which does not support their personal beliefs are beyond my personal acceptance of what can and cannot be imposed upon me; You have the absolute freedom to believe in whatever religion you follow; You do NOT have the the freedom to dismiss anyone who does NOT believe in your personal religious dogma.

We are Americans; Christians, Jews, Catholics, Muslims, non-religious, anyone who considers themselves a loyal American who places their religious dogma above their support for Country above destruction of evil empires who threaten nuclear annihilation needs to back away, and consider what their children and grandchildren will suffer for their ambiguity.
 
Last edited:
Eh, I'm not religious; however, I support those who are. Christian, Jewish, Muslim, Catholic, I don't care. I respect those who practice their religious beliefs. Freedom of religion, freedom from religion, is an American belief.

Those who rebuke any religion which does not support their personal beliefs are beyond my personal acceptance of what can and cannot be imposed upon me; You have the absolute freedom to believe in whatever religion you follow; You do NOT have the the freedom to dismiss anyone who does NOT believe in your personal religious dogma.

We are Americans; Christians, Jews, Catholics, Muslims, non-religious, anyone who considers themselves a loyal American who places their religious dogma above their support for Country above destruction of evil empires who threaten nuclear annihilation needs to back away, and consider what their children and grandchildren will suffer for their ambiguity.
Bingo is your nameo.

Whenever I hear these religious activists talk about the need for respect of their religious beliefs, I can't help but laugh when they're the same people trying to legislate their religious doctrines that many disagree with into our government.

I can respect someone practicing their religion on themselves (and like minded people), but when they practice their religion on others, that's when they can bet on us NOT being friends, as they are showing disrespect for what other people believe.
 
I'm with Luther on this one. My money is on this being an act of ignorance as opposed to an act of malice.

Intolerance + ignorance do not necessarily equate to malice.
 
Bingo is your nameo.

Whenever I hear these religious activists talk about the need for respect of their religious beliefs, I can't help but laugh when they're the same people trying to legislate their religious doctrines that many disagree with into our government.

I can respect someone practicing their religion on themselves (and like minded people), but when they practice their religion on others, that's when they can bet on us NOT being friends, as they are showing disrespect for what other people believe.

Well, personally, I'll always disrespect what a person beleives . . . just not the person's right to beleive it.
 
Utah teacher forces student to wash off Ash Wednesday cross

SALT LAKE CITY (AP) — A teacher in the predominantly Mormon state of Utah was placed on administrative leave after she forced a Catholic student to wash off the Ash Wednesday cross from his forehead.

William McLeod, 9, had just returned to his school near Salt Lake City after attending Catholic mass when his fourth-grade teacher called the ash marking “inappropriate” and gave him a hand wipe to clean it off in front of his classmates, grandmother Karen Fisher said.
======================================
Utah is a virtual theocracy, apparently intolerant of other religious views beyond the LDS.

Is the teacher a mormon? It's equally probable she's a mormon or a liberal woman with some fake studies degree.
 
I grew up with many Catholic friends, socially and in school, and I don't recall ever seeing anyone sporting an ash cross.

If you start attending school in the morning you would go to the evening mass and get it then.
 
Bingo is your nameo.

Whenever I hear these religious activists talk about the need for respect of their religious beliefs, I can't help but laugh when they're the same people trying to legislate their religious doctrines that many disagree with into our government.

I can respect someone practicing their religion on themselves (and like minded people), but when they practice their religion on others, that's when they can bet on us NOT being friends, as they are showing disrespect for what other people believe.
like what?
 
Back
Top Bottom