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Oregon wants to lower the voting age to 16

Terryj

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i'm being to think that the people in Salem has lost their ever lovin minds. We have enough uninformed voters in this State already and now they want to add even more. The only reason I can think they would want to do this is so they can get them voting far left before they come to their senses.

Effort Underway To Lower Voting Age In Oregon To 16 .

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Adolescents differ from adults in the way they behave, solve problems, and make decisions. There is a biological explanation for this difference. ... Other changes in the brain during adolescence include a rapid increase in the connections between the brain cells and making the brain pathways more effective.

No they should not be allowed to vote!!
 
Terryj said:
i'm being to think that the people in Salem has lost their ever lovin minds. We have enough uninformed voters in this State already and now they want to add even more. The only reason I can think they would want to do this is so they can get them voting far left before they come to their senses.

Effort Underway To Lower Voting Age In Oregon To 16 .

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In most states we do not even believe 16 years old are legally capable of providing sexual consent. What makes them think they can vote?
 
Liberals are having a hard time brainwashing older voters, so they need younger ones who will fall for their ****.
 
Oregon has vote by mail. There is probably a thousand 16 year olds voting already. And really, how much worse is allowing 16 year olds to vote when people who aren't bright enough or motivated enough to go to a polling precinct managed to enfranchise themselves by only allowing vote by mail. Even so, that has a built in IQ test in that one needs the acumen to lick the correct side of the stamp. (That is the side without the picture on it if you need a hint.)
 
Sure, let them vote at 16.

Hey, why not lower the age to 10?

And why not forbid anyone over 50 from voting?

The "leaders" in Oregon have really lost their marbles. Talk about deranged Dems!
 
TheParser said:
Sure, let them vote at 16.

Hey, why not lower the age to 10?

And why not forbid anyone over 50 from voting?

The "leaders" in Oregon have really lost their marbles. Talk about deranged Dems!
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I wouldn't be so quick to condemn Dems considering Cons voted for a pro-abortionist who tried to have his own daughter aborted and refuses after two years in office to call out Putin personally for any of his antics such as meddling in our elections, and agreeing to allow the former KGB leader to interrogate American citizens as well as agreeing Putin's idea to have Russian intel work with American intel to determine whether or nor Russia meddled in our elections was an excellent idea. ( see Helsinki press conference for validation (s ).
 
Logician Man said:
I wouldn't be so quick to condemn Dems considering Cons voted for a pro-abortionist who tried to have his own daughter aborted and refuses after two years in office to call out Putin personally for any of his antics such as meddling in our elections, and agreeing to allow the former KGB leader to interrogate American citizens as well as agreeing Putin's idea to have Russian intel work with American intel to determine whether or nor Russia meddled in our elections was an excellent idea. ( see Helsinki press conference for validation (s ).
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And what exactly does this have to do with the voting age in Oregon?
 
Roadvirus said:
Liberals are having a hard time brainwashing older voters, so they need younger ones who will fall for their ****.
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Actually the exact same techniques that fired up Trump's 'core' would be just what the doctor ordered for engaging adolescents. Republicans wouldn't have to change a thing about their campaign strategy to bring most of the new electorate on-board. Well, they might have to improve the vocabulary but they should be able to find a literate conservative to help them with that.
Be true to your school.
 
Terryj said:
i'm being to think that the people in Salem has lost their ever lovin minds. We have enough uninformed voters in this State already and now they want to add even more. The only reason I can think they would want to do this is so they can get them voting far left before they come to their senses.

Effort Underway To Lower Voting Age In Oregon To 16 .

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Playing devil's advocate, one positive thing that could come out of this is to have politics taught in high school, to coincide with when kids come of age to vote. This would create a citizenry much more equipped to make the decisions, and the schooling would come at a time where there would be a practical use. Plus, high schools could have voting right there, ensuring a good turnout.

I think this would actually be not too bad an idea … unless you're worried about who the youth will vote for... ;)
 
Common Sense 1 said:
Adolescents differ from adults in the way they behave, solve problems, and make decisions. There is a biological explanation for this difference. ... Other changes in the brain during adolescence include a rapid increase in the connections between the brain cells and making the brain pathways more effective.

No they should not be allowed to vote!!
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Why then do we let them drive?
 
Roadvirus said:
Liberals are having a hard time brainwashing older voters, so they need younger ones who will fall for their ****.
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Actually, you have that backward. The older voters have been so brainwashed that the damage can't be undone. It's younger voters without ingrained personal biases that have the best chance of approaching the voting process with an open mind. These kids will suffer or benefit far more from the decisions that are being made today so it only makes sense to give them an opportunity to put their two cents in.

Furthermore, if they get involved in the process earlier it's possible that they'll take it more seriously earlier too.
 
Terryj said:
I'm being to think that the people in Salem have lost their ever-loving minds. We have enough uninformed voters in this State already and now they want to add even more. The only reason I can think they would want to do this is so they can get them voting far left before they come to their senses.
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There's a part of me that really feels bad for your generation. You have absolutely no idea how poorly American History is going to remember you.
 
Terryj said:
i'm being to think that the people in Salem has lost their ever lovin minds. We have enough uninformed voters in this State already and now they want to add even more. The only reason I can think they would want to do this is so they can get them voting far left before they come to their senses.

Effort Underway To Lower Voting Age In Oregon To 16 .

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Meh. A number of countries have a voting age of 16 and it hasn't caused any issues.
 
MrWonka said:
Actually, you have that backward. The older voters have been so brainwashed that the damage can't be undone. It's younger voters without ingrained personal biases that have the best chance of approaching the voting process with an open mind. These kids will suffer or benefit far more from the decisions that are being made today so it only makes sense to give them an opportunity to put their two cents in.

Furthermore, if they get involved in the process earlier it's possible that they'll take it more seriously earlier too.
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You really expect the majority of 16 year old to research an issue or candidate before voting?
Where will they get their unbiased information. From the Libertarian Left?:lamo
Like your last statement. Seems you are saying many adults today don't take the election / voting process seriously. ( I agree, many don't).
 
mike2810 said:
You really expect the majority of 16-year-old to research an issue or candidate before voting?
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I expect them to do a hell of a lot more research than the average baby boomer voter has done. The baby boomers already think they know everything. Instead of trying to better understand a radically changing world they're hell-bent on preventing the world from changing to they don't have to learn or adapt to anything new.

mike2810 said:
Where will they get their unbiased information?
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Why are you so afraid of open minds? Shouldn't the better more persuasive arguments have the best chance of penetrating younger more open minds? Why is it that only liberals seem to have the ability to influence the young?
 
MrWonka said:
I expect them to do a hell of a lot more research than the average baby boomer voter has done. The baby boomers already think they know everything. Instead of trying to better understand a radically changing world they're hell-bent on preventing the world from changing to they don't have to learn or adapt to anything new.


Why are you so afraid of open minds? Shouldn't the better more persuasive arguments have the best chance of penetrating younger more open minds? Why is it that only liberals seem to have the ability to influence the young?
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Who said anything about being afraid of "open minds"?
The operative word is your response is "expect". Your expectations most likely would not be met.


I was being sarcastic in pointing out Liberal - left. Don't you agree that many young kids pick up the views of their parents? Liberals/Conservatives/Independents parents all have an influence on their kids. Teachers can also influence a young persons views of the world.
 
Aristaeus said:
Meh. A number of countries have a voting age of 16 and it hasn't caused any issues.
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The age of consent in Oregon is 18, any one committing a crime under 18 years of age does not go to adult court, unless it is a capital crime and then that depends on the age. Now we are going to allow 16 year olds to vote on laws and measures that they themselves will not be held accountable to. That sounds pretty foolish to me.
 
mike2810 said:
Don't you agree that many young kids pick up the views of their parents?
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Some due, many do not. Many young people are more rebellious and open to new concepts. What many older people think of as wisdom they've gained from experience is actually just prejudice and bias that has been hardened by the belief that they turned out okay so they must be right. Too many older voters have been hardened by past battles. They've dug their heels in and are much more partisan. They've based large chunks of their lives on the assumption that certain things were true. In their old age, it would be impossible for them to go back and make different choices based on new information so it becomes easier for them to simply deny the new evidence no matter how compelling it may be.
 
Terryj said:
Now we are going to allow 16-year-olds to vote on laws and measures that they themselves will not be held accountable to. That sounds pretty foolish to me.
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What are you talking about? You know that 16-year-olds become 18-year-olds in just two years right? They will not only be accountable they will be more accountable. All too often people like you pass laws that really only impact the young considering it your right to control them, but as someone over the age of 18, 21, 25 or whatever the restrictions on their freedom will never apply to you.

18-year-olds can be drafted, they can sign up for the military and die, yet they can't drink. Why? Because the majority of voters responsible for those laws are older. They need young men to fight their wars for them, but since they don't benefit from young people drinking that's illegal.
 
Logician Man said:
I wouldn't be so quick to condemn Dems considering Cons voted for a pro-abortionist who tried to have his own daughter aborted and refuses after two years in office to call out Putin personally for any of his antics such as meddling in our elections, and agreeing to allow the former KGB leader to interrogate American citizens as well as agreeing Putin's idea to have Russian intel work with American intel to determine whether or nor Russia meddled in our elections was an excellent idea. ( see Helsinki press conference for validation (s ).
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A paragraph full of irrelevancy.
 
MrWonka said:
Some due, many do not. Many young people are more rebellious and open to new concepts. What many older people think of as wisdom they've gained from experience is actually just prejudice and bias that has been hardened by the belief that they turned out okay so they must be right. Too many older voters have been hardened by past battles. They've dug their heels in and are much more partisan. They've based large chunks of their lives on the assumption that certain things were true. In their old age, it would be impossible for them to go back and make different choices based on new information so it becomes easier for them to simply deny the new evidence no matter how compelling it may be.
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It seems you are "prejudice" towards those who disagree with you. Your statement about "older people" reflects that prejudice. Noted, you really have not defined "older". Is that people older than you, older than 70, 80, 90+?

Let's cut to the chase. Do you support the idea that a 16 year old should be able to vote in State and Federal elections.
If Yes, then should the 16 year old be considered an adult in the eyes of the law?
 
I think we as a country need to decide when children become adults. Is it 16? 18? 21? 26? Whether you’re talking about voting, driving, joining the military, drinking, owning a firearm or being on momma’s insurance, we’re all over the place on when we expect people to become responsible adults.
 
Oregon wants to lower the voting age to 16
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cool, that would be two more years of young people who can't be bothered to show up and vote. :lol:

as for the 18 thing, i don't know. seems kind of arbitrary and cultural, but i suppose the line has to be drawn somewhere. i remember that it was pretty exciting to go in a few days after my birthday and cast my first hopeless vote for Ross Perot. i have cast many hopeless votes since then.
 
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