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California governor accuses Trump of keeping disaster money from wildfire survivors

Not an accusation, it is documented fact. Trump directly ordered FEMA to not contribute further funding to California wildfire victims.
FEMA funds for that purpose are now officially cut off.
I consider this an act of war against California, given that much of those monies came from California federal taxpayers.
It almost amounts to a criminal taking for political purposes.

Then let California secede from the union. The rest of us would be better off.
 
On the heels of an exchange like this:



...to which the response was the equivalent of rubbing my face in it:



...you have nothing better than "you are so much better than we are"?

Yeah, I'd say that the reality-based community is so much better than you are.
That would be REALITY, not "reality TV", which is what Trump peddles.

It is well past time Trump's reality TV show got canceled, and I don't feel the least bit of obligation to defend actual reality, because to even do so is the textbook indicator that one is arguing with a delusional person in the first place.

Can't argue with that.
 
The total costs to rebuild would be staggering considering deductibles & the fact that CA property values & replacement costs likely haven't kept up with insurance policies. We recently had a third company firm send us a questionaire about our house & as a result our home insurance rates went up.

Payments coincide with risk.
 
Yes, many have homeowner's insurance, and business insurance, neither of which can do an adequate job by themselves in the aftermath of a disaster of this scale.

When even the infrastructure is as destroyed as any war zone, cities and states require federal assistance, something you are no doubt aware of.

Insurance never provides 100% relief, unless you buy better insurance. If someone is going to pay for the cheapest policy available, then why should the tax payer subsidize their loss?
 
I see NO reason why taxpayers should pick up the tab for people who gambled by not insuring or under insuring their home and property.
 
Then let California secede from the union. The rest of us would be better off.

Be careful what you ask for, and I can guarantee you this much, if that ever actually were to come to pass, the conditions that would precipitate it would be sufficient that your own state and Washington might consider joining the effort as well.

It is easy for you to be smug in Portland right at the moment but if the Juan de Fuca plate decides to snap, Kenneth Murphy, who directs fema’s Region X, the division responsible for Oregon, Washington, Idaho, and Alaska, says, “Our operating assumption is that everything west of Interstate 5 will be toast.”

You guys are sitting directly on I-5, and unlike California, most of your buildings and infrastructure are not built to modern earthquake standards.
And your Ayn Randian smug arrogance will be put to the test.

Ever hear of the milk of human kindness? Well, you in Portland will have to prepare to suckle on it.
 
And AGAIN, the beam in your eye...
Tennessee
In 2016, Tennessee was the third highest prescriber of opioids.
Source: CDC Annual Surveillance Report of Drug-Related Risks and Outcomes
Keep talking :lamo
...

Gosh, you are funny.
According to you, addicts want to stick it to the libtards. Now that I pointed out that you have a ton of addicts who want to "stick it to the libtards",
you come back with: "But you have more of them."

:lamo
 
Gosh, you are funny.
According to you, addicts want to stick it to the libtards. Now that I pointed out that you have a ton of addicts who want to "stick it to the libtards",
you come back with: "But you have more of them."

:lamo

I expect delusional comments from delusional people.
I even expect hypocrisy.
And when your arguments boil down to nothing more than a case of you getting your rocks off by thinking you "stuck it to the libtards", even facts, even reality itself doesn't matter to you.

My statements stand just fine on their own merits, particularly in the face of demented nonsense by a delusional person.
You are only in this thread because to you, it smelled remotely of your favorite hobby: redneck California bashing.

As it turns out, you really suck at it, as evidenced by the fact that I've knocked down each and every argument that you've made, and all you can come back with are the tauntings of a nine year-old.
 
What a bigoted post.

Yup, sure was, and I'm damned proud of it because the bigotry served a purpose, throwing it straight back at a person who is only here to behave as a partisan hack, projecting his bitterness at his own failed life at a place three thousand miles away that he has never been to.

But never mind the fact that while he was jumping up and down talking about California's drug addiction numbers, his own were several orders of magnitude worse in TN, but all that matters to you is the fact that I put up a picture of Tennessee hillbillies.

You should consider joining a radical lefty social justice warrior group, Planar...you're beginning to act like them.
 
Insurance never provides 100% relief, unless you buy better insurance. If someone is going to pay for the cheapest policy available, then why should the tax payer subsidize their loss?

So you don't understand widespread natural disasters. Teaching you is above my pay grade.
 
So you don't understand widespread natural disasters. Teaching you is above my pay grade.

Yes, I do, and I refuse to feel sorry for people who put themselves in harms way. These fires occur every year, in the same regions.

It's just part of the costs of living there. My answer is they need to buy better insurance that covers more than just the loss. Not my fault if they wan to buy $750,000 homes, then ask us to rebuild for them.
 
Love it when people with big mouths say "up yours" to a state that contributes more federal money than it gets back, especially when those people are from one of the most federally dependent states in the country.



Do I really need to say it?
Maybe we'll just slow walk our federal contributions until Trump leaves the White House, seeing as how he and many of his supporters are so filled with rage and bitterness that they forget that every time their trailer homes get sucked up by a tornado, it's the blue states that bankroll much of their recovery.


Not to bash California, but this is no longer true.
The 10 'Donor States' That Give More to the Feds Than They Get Back
 
CA governor accuses Trump of keeping relief money from wildfire victims

California Gov. Gavin Newsom blasts President Donald Trump's declaration of a national emergency Friday and accuses him of forgetting about the "real emergency" needs of survivors of the disastrous Camp Fire.

Newsom says there are still survivors waiting for federal disaster recovery money and people are suffering.
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CA is also joining several other states in a lawsuit to challenge the national emergency declaration that the president is using to get billions of dollars to fund his southern border wall.

Trump is ignoring the real post-fire emergency in CA in order to fulfill a hollow campaign promise of building an unneeded wall along the border with Mexico.

Funny stuff.... FEMA is on the ground doing what they do! This is nothing but more RESIST garbage! They
will do anything to try and damage the Trump administration.


FEMA Extends Disaster Registration Deadline to Feb. 15
Release date:
January 31, 2019
Release Number:
DR-4407-CA NR45

SACRAMENTO, Calif. – Residents in Butte, Los Angeles and Ventura counties who suffered damages from the Camp, Hill or Woolsey wildfires have 15 more days to register for assistance from the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA).

Friday, Feb. 15, 2019 is now the last day to register.

The State of California Governor’s Office of Emergency Services (Cal OES) requested an extension from FEMA, based on continued registrations, which indicate some are still assessing their damage and need additional time to apply for aid.

Homeowners, renters and small-business owners must sign-up by Feb. 15 to be considered for eligibility in any of several federal disaster assistance programs. Survivors should register with FEMA even if they have insurance. Disaster assistance often provides benefits not covered by insurance.

The Feb. 15 deadline also applies to applications for low-interest disaster loans from the U.S. Small Business Administration (SBA). SBA is the federal government’s primary source of money for the long-term rebuilding of disaster-damaged private property. SBA also helps businesses of all sizes, private nonprofit organizations, homeowners and renters fund repairs or rebuilding efforts and covers the cost of replacing lost or disaster-damaged personal property.

News Releases | FEMA.gov
 
CA governor accuses Trump of keeping relief money from wildfire victims

California Gov. Gavin Newsom blasts President Donald Trump's declaration of a national emergency Friday and accuses him of forgetting about the "real emergency" needs of survivors of the disastrous Camp Fire.

Newsom says there are still survivors waiting for federal disaster recovery money and people are suffering.
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CA is also joining several other states in a lawsuit to challenge the national emergency declaration that the president is using to get billions of dollars to fund his southern border wall.

Trump is ignoring the real post-fire emergency in CA in order to fulfill a hollow campaign promise of building an unneeded wall along the border with Mexico.

Trump is also having to deal with California's demands that the federal government pick up the billions of dollar tabs for housing, feeding, medicating, and schooling illegals and their families sheltered in California no go zone refugee cities.
 
And what you missed, either deliberately or not, are the endless threats by Trump that he will order FEMA to withhold funds.

By the way, such threats, if backed by action, are possibly illegal.

No I did not miss the threats.
So provide the proof the federal money has stopped.
Show me where I am wrong that the local/State government plays a critical role in assisting the victims of wildfire.

Trump is an ass. But, he is not wrong in that CA and other States need to get their act together. Local/State need to revise or implement Firewise standards for developments in high fire risk zones. They have not. They prefer to let developers build in risk zones and with high density houses. Paradise was a accident waiting to happen.
 
It isn't always available in high risk areas and that is compounded by the fact that some of the recent conflagrations spread to areas where it was never even a risk at all, so it wouldn't be a consideration for many.

Usually fire insurance is mandatory by the mortgage company simply because a fire can start from anywhere not just by wildfires.
i seriously doubt that it isn't a requirement in CA.

The state has their own insurance for people that find it hard to get coverage although it only covers up to 1.5m in damages i think.
 
And what you missed, either deliberately or not, are the endless threats by Trump that he will order FEMA to withhold funds.

By the way, such threats, if backed by action, are possibly illegal.

not really it just depends on how the action was taken.

IE if trump declared it an emergancy then he cannot lawfully withhold funds.
if the Gov asked for it go be declared an emergency then trump could deny his request.

so far here is nothing that states funds have been witheld.

the CA Gov. needs to provide evidence that support his accusations.
that is how this works.

If CA has been given money then the CA Gov is a lying sack of crap.

nothing is being withheld. rebuilding homes is not easy and takes forever.

my neighbors house caught fire. like 4 months ago and they are still not done with it.
why? because they have to resubmit plans to the city for the rebuild they have to be approved
before any work can even start.

a lot of the issues is that many of the homes have been grandfathered in over the years and now have
to meet new building codes and standards.

this can take months just by that alone.
 
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So you don't understand widespread natural disasters. Teaching you is above my pay grade.

Yep.

Natural disasters are Hurricanes, tornadoes, etc. Most of these California wildfires are cause by careless humans.

I don't believe in bailing out these people too. Buy the right insurance, dammit.
 
Trump is also having to deal with California's demands that the federal government pick up the billions of dollar tabs for housing, feeding, medicating, and schooling illegals and their families sheltered in California no go zone refugee cities.

If I were president Trump, I would cut off federal subsidies to sanctuary cities, and expand out from that.
 
Yes, I do, and I refuse to feel sorry for people who put themselves in harms way. These fires occur every year, in the same regions.

It's just part of the costs of living there. My answer is they need to buy better insurance that covers more than just the loss. Not my fault if they wan to buy $750,000 homes, then ask us to rebuild for them.

:lamo It isn't the folks with the $750k homes who are in trouble and no one is asking you to feel sorry for them in the first place.
Federal disaster assistance works a certain way, and if you're so anti-Federal government, no explanation will be satisfactory for you.

I don't see any point in batting this back and forth with you any further for the simple reason that I already understand your overwhelmingly negative view of the Federal Government, and of federal taxes, and anything else that involves the federal government save for the military only.
 

What does Heritage Foundation define as "good governance"?
I ask because that Heritage Foundation report hinges its entire argument around a definition of good government to justify removing the SALT deductions, but their definition of "good government" is proprietary to Heritage.

Also, a person in Texas who makes a million dollars a year enjoys a cost of living significantly lower than a person with the same income in New York and California, thus one might say that they're actually worth almost double their coastal counterparts because their living expenses, particularly where real property are concerned, are a fraction of what their East and West Coast friends deal with.

And with that in mind:

The SALT cap predominantly affects high-income taxpayers in high-tax states, and high-income taxpayers are more sensitive to higher marginal tax rates. If they are required to pay their full tax burden, they may choose to relocate to lower tax jurisdictions.

The entire reason for removing the SALT deductions can be found in RED.
The reason it was instituted IS because the new deduction cap IS a politically motivated attack on Democrats and the states and districts they represent.

And that's because in other debate threads, it has been argued by those on the Right that, even if every millionaire and billionaire were forced to pay a higher tax rate, it would amount to a drop in the bucket.
(See: "The write-off is an unfair federal subsidy for high-income taxpayers in high-tax states.")
It's even an argument which can be found in "commie rags like Forbes".
Incidentally, about that 99%...their big tax break ends in three years. Then it's back to the usual pain and suffering, perhaps with even higher taxes for them.

So why would the Republicans and the Trump administration in particular, be so motivated to put the squeeze on them in the first place? They answer is: THEY AREN'T...they're putting the squeeze on them if they live in Democrat blue states.
The moment they move to red states, the squeeze is off.
And if the combined total effect is, as has been previously argued, a drop in the bucket, then it becomes impossible to argue that low tax red states are subsidizing blue states.

The new Trump tax plan is really just the closing of a bunch of loopholes and the opening of some new ones, politically motivated ones.
 
No I did not miss the threats.
So provide the proof the federal money has stopped.
Show me where I am wrong that the local/State government plays a critical role in assisting the victims of wildfire.

Trump is an ass. But, he is not wrong in that CA and other States need to get their act together. Local/State need to revise or implement Firewise standards for developments in high fire risk zones. They have not. They prefer to let developers build in risk zones and with high density houses. Paradise was a accident waiting to happen.

See: "raking forests".

How is building in those areas any different than Southern state developers building in known high risk flood plains?
Yeah, fully 65% of California's woodlands are federal land.
I am not saying that you or anyone is wrong about local and state government roles in wildfire assistance but discounting the federal role is not a hill you want to die on because today's wildfire is tomorrow's Southern hurricane, or tornado.
This stuff happens every year somewhere. With the climate undergoing significant change, it's bound to happen more, and with more disastrous consequences.
 
Usually fire insurance is mandatory by the mortgage company simply because a fire can start from anywhere not just by wildfires.
i seriously doubt that it isn't a requirement in CA.

The state has their own insurance for people that find it hard to get coverage although it only covers up to 1.5m in damages i think.

Yes, of course...you're absolutely right.
The most recent fires however, affected a lot more than just the homeowners. Entire towns had their infrastructure erased.
The towns simply ceased to exist altogether.
 
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