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Poop. Needles. Rats. Homeless camp pushes SF neighborhood to the edge

Oceanborn said:
Chronicle receives a deluge of email every day, but one message sent to the news desk on a Saturday evening in April was particularly memorable. “There is a suitcase full of human s— on the corner of Isis and 13th,” the email read. “Last night, I had to threaten violence to a man smoking crystal meth on my front porch. This morning, my 2-year-old son and I watched a rat rummage through the trash in our gutter.

This problem has been increasing in severity for years now with no end in sight. It's an embarrassment that a once great American city is now worse than many third world slums. The far left democrats who control the city (and state) offer no viable solutions. The new governor will not penalize people who defecate on the streets and side walks or openly abuse intravenous drugs. NGOs continue to incentivize the homeless to set up camp, and now the city wants to build government funded centers for addicts to use their drugs. Insanity.

What are some of the root problems of this epidemic?

What are the solutions?
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They really need to amend their zoning policies to build up, cutting down the cost of housing.
 
Threegoofs said:
You realize that SF is, in many ways, a Conservatives dreamland, right?

Lots of really wealthy people, great high paying jobs, and housing prices pushing out the low income non-productive types, who won’t get enough subsidies to live there (because it’s too expensive! Those rich folks already pay a lot in taxes!), and ever more disparity between rich and poor...you know, the producers vs the moochers.
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In many ways, the Elites and Silicon Valley types have created the problem.
 
Oceanborn said:
What are some of the root problems of this epidemic?

What are the solutions?
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tacomancer said:
They really need to amend their zoning policies to build up, cutting down the cost of housing.
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This is most of it. The people who already own property there do not want affordable housing to be built near them. Not just in SF, but in pretty much every rich, affluent, semi-affluent, and middle class neighborhood in the country. The property owners (homeowners and business owners) will aggressively fight any measure to allow for dense affordable housing to be built anywhere near them, because it depresses their property values and lets in lower income people, which they correctly associate with higher rates and risk of crime and dysfunction. This includes even the most liberal cities whose voters claim to care deeply about the plight of the poor and income inequality and inability to afford housing and all that. But when push comes to shove, they're all NIMBY.

So the solutions are anti-democratic, i.e. for local, state or federal leaders to defy the will of the local voters and to do precisely what they adamantly refuse to allow to happen.
 
tacomancer said:
They really need to amend their zoning policies to build up, cutting down the cost of housing.
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Democrat-run city; we've come to expect this.
 
Oceanborn said:
What are the solutions?
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There are none.

The "liberals" responsible for these outrages do not have to personally confront them.

For example, the liberal bigwigs live in gated communities and ride in chauffeur-driven cars.

Personally, I have no doubt that we are returning to the bad old days of horrific violence. (If I heard correctly, Mayor Bloomberg had his stop-and-frisk policy because of thousands (thousands!) of murders every year in certain parts of New York when he was mayor.)

Here in Los Angeles. there were some very idealistic people who pushed for school busing. They succeeded. Most of them then put their own children in private schools, which still flourish today.

That is why so many people disrespect "liberals," who often talk the talk but do not walk the walk.

If you think it is bad now, pity our great-grandchildren!
 
American said:
Democrat-run city; we've come to expect this.
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Its a function of property values vs local available pay. In a sense, the city is too successful in one way, but not in another. the best remedy would be an easement on properties to allow more multistory buildings, thus helping to lower rents by increasing supply.
 
tacomancer said:
Its a function of property values vs local available pay. In a sense, the city is too successful in one way, but not in another. the best remedy would be an easement on properties to allow more multistory buildings, thus helping to lower rents by increasing supply.
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That will never happen. The social liberalism of progressive voters does not extend to multistory apartments or condos in their own neighborhoods. I've seen this movie before.
 
Jack Hays said:
That will never happen. The social liberalism of progressive voters does not extend to multistory apartments or condos in their own neighborhoods. I've seen this movie before.
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:lol: As far as I am aware there is no progressive policy on multistory buildings.
 
tacomancer said:
:lol: As far as I am aware there is no progressive policy on multistory buildings.
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No, there is not, but neighborhoods with demonstrated progressive voting records uniformly rise up to oppose multistory buildings proposed for them.
 
Jack Hays said:
No, there is not, but neighborhoods with demonstrated progressive voting records uniformly rise up to oppose multistory buildings proposed for them.
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I am going to need statistics for a whole lot of communities to believe this.
 
tacomancer said:
I am going to need statistics for a whole lot of communities to believe this.
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The evidence thus far is anecdotal.

Can high-density housing and historic neighborhoods coexist ...


News from California, the nation and world - Los Angeles Times › la-me-lopez-sb50-housing-20190508-story



May 8, 2019 - Erich Anderson, who has lived in the Carthay Circle neighborhood ... several more residents of the area, all of whom stand firmly opposed to Senate Bill 50. ... He thinks putting multi-story apartment buildings on lots where a ...

Will Eliminating Single-Family Zoning Make Housing More ...


Governing: State and local government news and analysis › topics › urban › gov-zoning-density



When a multi-unit project is built, it's usually a luxury apartment building. ... That idea was opposed by a coalition of 26 neighborhood groups, and the fight was fierce. .... The net result: High-rise luxury apartments went up in Long Island City; ...

Neighborhood organizers offer tips for fighting development ...


https://www.charlotteobserver.com › news › development › article153640229

Jun 1, 2017 - Neighborhood organizations in Charlotte offered tips for dealing with new developments that residents often oppose at a City Council forum Tuesday night. ... People learn that a drive-thru restaurant, apartment building, ...

 
This is a Caliepidemic.



 
Jack Hays said:
The evidence thus far is anecdotal.

Can high-density housing and historic neighborhoods coexist ...


News from California, the nation and world - Los Angeles Times › la-me-lopez-sb50-housing-20190508-story



May 8, 2019 - Erich Anderson, who has lived in the Carthay Circle neighborhood ... several more residents of the area, all of whom stand firmly opposed to Senate Bill 50. ... He thinks putting multi-story apartment buildings on lots where a ...

Will Eliminating Single-Family Zoning Make Housing More ...


Governing: State and local government news and analysis › topics › urban › gov-zoning-density



When a multi-unit project is built, it's usually a luxury apartment building. ... That idea was opposed by a coalition of 26 neighborhood groups, and the fight was fierce. .... The net result: High-rise luxury apartments went up in Long Island City; ...

Neighborhood organizers offer tips for fighting development ...


https://www.charlotteobserver.com › news › development › article153640229

Jun 1, 2017 - Neighborhood organizations in Charlotte offered tips for dealing with new developments that residents often oppose at a City Council forum Tuesday night. ... People learn that a drive-thru restaurant, apartment building, ...
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1. You actually delivered on my request, this is rare on this site, so thank you and I hope others display that sort of integrity when it comes to supporting statements.
2. I believe it is a matter of interpretation. While there are communities in any greater community that will oppose higher density housing. That is not expressly linked to a progressive policy, but rather acts of local communities that may or may not be progressive (its seems to usually be rich people (who may have any ideology) wanting their neighborhoods not to change for local reasons. There is no link to any sort of ideological platform or organization espousing the need for small buildings.
 
tacomancer said:
1. You actually delivered on my request, this is rare on this site, so thank you and I hope others display that sort of integrity when it comes to supporting statements.
2. I believe it is a matter of interpretation. While there are communities in any greater community that will oppose higher density housing. That is not expressly linked to a progressive policy, but rather acts of local communities that may or may not be progressive (its seems to usually be rich people (who may have any ideology) wanting their neighborhoods not to change for local reasons. There is no link to any sort of ideological platform or organization espousing the need for small buildings.
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High-cost neighborhoods of single-family homes have trended increasingly progressive in recent years. That is why opposition to multistory buildings stands out.
 
Jack Hays said:
High-cost neighborhoods of single-family homes have trended increasingly progressive in recent years. That is why opposition to multistory buildings stands out.
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correlation is not causation. These neighborhoods may have trended towards a more liberal demographics, but these communities also opposed this type of development before they trended that way as well. This is an issue that no ideology owns due to that lack of causal link. These are two things that just happen to be in the same place at the same time.

For examples, There is snow and a sign across the street at the park from where I live. They occupy the same space yet have nothing to do with each other. In fact, in this part of Ohio, there a plenty of areas where there are both snow and signs. Just because they appear together does not mean there is any relationship.
 
tacomancer said:
correlation is not causation. These neighborhoods may have trended towards a more liberal demographics, but these communities also opposed this type of development before they trended that way as well. This is an issue that no ideology owns due to that lack of causal link. These are two things that just happen to be in the same place at the same time.

For examples, There is snow and a sign across the street at the park from where I live. They occupy the same space yet have nothing to do with each other. In fact, in this part of Ohio, there a plenty of areas where there are both snow and signs. Just because they appear together does not mean there is any relationship.
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As you wish. As far as I'm concerned, it's NIMBY among the progressives.
 
Oborosen said:
Would I be correct in ascertaining a racially tinged spark, in his misplaced stereotype?

I've been here for nearly twelve years and seen over half the state. Haven't seen anything that looked even remotely like what has been happening in California.
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Then come to Los Angeles, or San Francisco. Then you'll see.
 
Seems to be a pretty even distribution.
 
Jack Hays said:
You are quite wrong.
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No he's not and I lived in the heart of the Bible Belt for thirteen years.
You're wrong.

There's a reason why comedians joke about trailer parks with washers on the front porch, kids who crap in the front yard, junk cars up on blocks, doors off their hinges and mass oxy epidemics.

Oh wait, those aren't comedians, they're TV news reporters and this ain't no joke, bloke.
 
Checkerboard Strangler said:
No he's not and I lived in the heart of the Bible Belt for thirteen years.
You're wrong.

There's a reason why comedians joke about trailer parks with washers on the front porch, kids who crap in the front yard, junk cars up on blocks, doors off their hinges and mass oxy epidemics.

Oh wait, those aren't comedians, they're TV news reporters and this ain't no joke, bloke.
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The claim was that I had not been to those places. I said that was wrong. I've been there.
 
Jack Hays said:
The claim was that I had not been to those places. I said that was wrong. I've been there.
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Yeah guess what? The only US state I've never BEEN to is Alaska.
But that is not the same as having lived there and you plain just don't know what you're talking about re the Bible Belt, sorry.
 
Checkerboard Strangler said:
Yeah guess what? The only US state I've never BEEN to is Alaska.
But that is not the same as having lived there and you plain just don't know what you're talking about re the Bible Belt, sorry.
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I did not dispute the characterization, so I don't see your point. As for the Bible Belt, I grew up there.
 
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