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    Re: Poop. Needles. Rats. Homeless camp pushes SF neighborhood to the edge

    Quote Originally Posted by Nickyjo View Post
    And if we adopted non-soft measures all-over the US, no exceptions, the problem would cease, no doubt. Submit your paper on the topic to Congress.

    Near where I live in Berkeley there is a homeless camp with neat tents laid out on what was a non-used grassy place near a tunnel entrance. Tents were apparently donated, if I remember correctly. The homeless, many of whom work, have set up solar panels for electricity. There are some public showers they can use, I believe, and city staff and volunteers try to steer occupants to what housing opens up and/or to mental health services.

    But please, list your superior ideas below so we can rid ourselves of the problem once and for all.
    Where is this camp? Near which streets?
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    Re: Poop. Needles. Rats. Homeless camp pushes SF neighborhood to the edge

    Quote Originally Posted by eman623 View Post
    Where is this camp? Near which streets?
    It’s along the BART (light rail) path as it heads into a tunnel. There is a patch of grass about 10 yards wide and a couple of blocks long on MLKING way, as the tracks head into a tunnel towards Oakland.

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    Re: Poop. Needles. Rats. Homeless camp pushes SF neighborhood to the edge

    Quote Originally Posted by Nickyjo View Post
    It’s along the BART (light rail) path as it heads into a tunnel. There is a patch of grass about 10 yards wide and a couple of blocks long on MLKING way, as the tracks head into a tunnel towards Oakland.
    Ah. Thanks. I googled this last night and thought you might have meant the homeless camp under I-80 at University. That one looks like every other homeless camp in California and the West Coast in general with its makeshift tents and mountains of trash everywhere. Frankly it looks scary and disgusting.

    But the "HERE IS THERE" camp on MLK seems to be the exception to the rule with its solar panels, city-provided portapotty and a community tent with refreshments and maybe simple medical care. The people in the 20 or so tents there have it pretty nice, relatively speaking. Reading up on it, they seem to be able to have this little oasis by enforcing a lot of rules. No drinking, no drugs, clean up your trash, don't sh*t on the sidewalk. The homeless bums who won't or can't follow rules no doubt get pushed out and probably wind up at the other sh*thole camp at I-80.

    Also, I don't know if the homeless living here ever transition back into normal housing. or if they are just essentially homesteading a bit of public land in the middle of the city. Either way, it doesn't seem like a scalable solution. But kudos to Berkeley and the HIT residents for their model homeless camp.
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    Re: Poop. Needles. Rats. Homeless camp pushes SF neighborhood to the edge

    Quote Originally Posted by eman623 View Post
    Agreed, especially about California being f-ed. If it were up to me, I'd take a three-pronged solution.
    - I'd re-institutionalize the mentally ill, which is cruel but less cruel then letting them live on the streets.
    - I'd give as much help as we possibly can to the few who became homeless through some personal or familial crises. Cheap temporary housing (and I do mean CHEAP! Set up tents and dig latrines and portable showers cheap) while we help these people transition back into society.
    - And as for the bums who prefer to live on the streets, I'd round them up, force them to clean up their own filth and then march them to the city limits with a warning not to return. Where should they go? NOT HERE! That's where.
    Good luck having them enforce such policies, or even letting them be heard. You currently have a state that is willing to let its homeless defecate out in the open, on their streets, in the doorways of open businesses, etc.
    The rampant drug use has them unable to pick up all of the used needles that they, funny enough, hand out to these people to help combat drug transitions through the use of dirty needles. With if memory serves, not even half of those needles are even returned to the city for disposal.

    At this point I'm willing to say let the state flip red, and then see what happens. It will either be one of the greatest social experiments we've ever seen, or the state will burn even more than it already does.
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    Because they have no choice son, such is the way of cowards.
    But even a cornered rat, with no choice, will fight.
    Yes my son, and that should tell you more than you need to know about the coward.

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