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Poop. Needles. Rats. Homeless camp pushes SF neighborhood to the edge

Threegoofs said:
Wow. Sounds terrible.

People must me moving out in droves, and the horrible condition of the city must mean that land values and home prices must be hitting rock bottom.

Boy- a whole lotta people must really be snapping up cheap homes there now.
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The most common 'solution' seems to be living in gated/secure communities and avoiding the well known bad parts of town.
 
Threegoofs said:
Well... no.

Just poking a whole in the ‘oh my god it’s so terrible no one wants to live there’ theme.
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Lots of folks want to live in the liberal land of unicorns and rainbows - they just want others to pay for it while they get high and chill.
 
Roadvirus said:
This is your city.
This is your city on Liberalism....any questions?
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And the conservative solution to mental health problems, addiction and poverty is?
 
chuckiechan said:
What are the solutions? Turn blue states red.

There is something about democrat governance that turns things to ****. They don’t do it on purpose, they just make the wrong choices
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Red states are basically opium dens at this point so I'm not sure they've cracked that code.
 
Oceanborn said:
Chronicle receives a deluge of email every day, but one message sent to the news desk on a Saturday evening in April was particularly memorable. “There is a suitcase full of human s— on the corner of Isis and 13th,” the email read. “Last night, I had to threaten violence to a man smoking crystal meth on my front porch. This morning, my 2-year-old son and I watched a rat rummage through the trash in our gutter.

This problem has been increasing in severity for years now with no end in sight. It's an embarrassment that a once great American city is now worse than many third world slums. The far left democrats who control the city (and state) offer no viable solutions. The new governor will not penalize people who defecate on the streets and side walks or openly abuse intravenous drugs. NGOs continue to incentivize the homeless to set up camp, and now the city wants to build government funded centers for addicts to use their drugs. Insanity.

1. What are some of the root problems of this epidemic?

2. What are the solutions?
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1. Government
2. Stop supporting government
 
Anarchon said:
1. Government
2. Stop supporting government
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The root problems of expensive housing, drug addiction, mental illness and rats are the government? Why didn’t I think of that? To be fair, the government had a band in inventing the internet, so there’s that.
 
Greenbeard said:
Red states are basically opium dens at this point so I'm not sure they've cracked that code.
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And that is why San Francisco and LA is ankle deep in used syringes. Because they are shipped in by red states?

Democrats just have a lower bar of what is acceptable.
 
Nickyjo said:
The root problems of expensive housing, drug addiction, mental illness and rats are the government? Why didn’t I think of that? To be fair, the government had a band in inventing the internet, so there’s that.
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I know that you are mocking, but I was serious.

-Expensive housing you saw with Carter/Clinton/housing bubble bursting.
-Without the war on drugs inflating prices, indirectly encouraging crime, directly giving power to organized crime, and encouraging the use of dangerous contaminants, the problems that come with drug addiction would look very different than it does today.
-Without the government's monopoly on force and subsidizing the risk of criminals, people would then be able to handle the problems that homeless crazy drug addicts bring to their doorstep (literally, in the article) themselves.
-Without the government's welfare systems, these people would have had to live more responsible lives from an earlier age, and society would encourage the same, possibly preventing such a downward spiral in the first place.
-Without government's incest with big pharma, people would be free to come up with alternatives to addictive drugs.
-Without the government's heavy taxation and regulation, people would be wealthier, and drugs would be dirt cheap and as available as the market demanded. People that were going to overdose would do so more quickly, and die off. This would provide fine examples and create a fine polarizing effect in society that made people shun such behavior, ultimately lessening it.
-Governments also have a hand in mental illness, since they actively strip rationality from beginning education onwards.
-Government involvement in social engineering, such as marriage policies and laws, would disappear. This would in turn make for healthier environments for families, which would create mentally healthier children.

Government is so large, and affects so many aspects of everyone's lives that it would be impossible to predict all of the positive outcomes of getting rid of it, including its effects on the problems of drug addiction. But, I've given at least some.
 
Anarchon said:
I know that you are mocking, but I was serious.

-Expensive housing you saw with Carter/Clinton/housing bubble bursting.

++ Seems to me there was a president or two between Carter and Clinton.

-Without the war on drugs inflating prices, indirectly encouraging crime, directly giving power to organized crime, and encouraging the use of dangerous contaminants, the problems that come with drug addiction would look very different than it does today.

++ Sounds reasonable.

-Without the government's monopoly on force and subsidizing the risk of criminals, people would then be able to handle the problems that homeless crazy drug addicts bring to their doorstep (literally, in the article) themselves.

++ Wait, you want me to shoot or beat up crazy homeless people rather than call the cops if they bother me? Novel. Probably unworkable. How does the governmet subsidize criminals? I can get paid for being a crook?

-Without the government's welfare systems, these people would have had to live more responsible lives from an earlier age, and society would encourage the same, possibly preventing such a downward spiral in the first place.

++ Without welfare there would be no crazy people, addicts or housing shortage?

-Without government's incest with big pharma, people would be free to come up with alternatives to addictive drugs.
-Without the government's heavy taxation and regulation, people would be wealthier, and drugs would be dirt cheap and as available as the market demanded. People that were going to overdose would do so more quickly, and die off. This would provide fine examples and create a fine polarizing effect in society that made people shun such behavior, ultimately lessening it.

++ Seems you are in favor of culling the herd. Been there, done that in Germany in the 1930s. Btw, look around... our taxes are low compared with similar countries who have fewer problems in this area.

-Governments also have a hand in mental illness, since they actively strip rationality from beginning education onwards.

++ Teachers made me crazy?

-Government involvement in social engineering, such as marriage policies and laws, would disappear. This would in turn make for healthier environments for families, which would create mentally healthier children.

++ See above where you suggested industrial strength social engineering. Now you are calling for free love, you old hippy you.

Government is so large, and affects so many aspects of everyone's lives that it would be impossible to predict all of the positive outcomes of getting rid of it, including its effects on the problems of drug addiction. But, I've given at least some.
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++ Lets accept that government is large. (Though it is smaller here than in similar societies.) Trump made it smaller by allowing pesticides that cause birth defects, coal companies to put waste in streams, and fewer safety regulations for toxic chemicals. Presumably these may cause mental problems. But tell me what would you eliminate: CDC, EPA, FDA? Welfare for kids under five? We’re back to promoting mental illness again.
 
Nickyjo said:
++ Lets accept that government is large. (Though it is smaller here than in similar societies.) Trump made it smaller by allowing pesticides that cause birth defects, coal companies to put waste in streams, and fewer safety regulations for toxic chemicals. Presumably these may cause mental problems. But tell me what would you eliminate: CDC, EPA, FDA? Welfare for kids under five? We’re back to promoting mental illness again.
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I'm a voluntaryist. That means no force. Government is force. That means no government.
 
Nickyjo said:
++ Seems to me there was a president or two between Carter and Clinton.
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I'd blame those bastards too on this issue if I could. They didn't make the policies, however.

++ Wait, you want me to shoot or beat up crazy homeless people rather than call the cops if they bother me? Novel. Probably unworkable. How does the governmet subsidize criminals? I can get paid for being a crook?
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I don't want you to do anything. If you choose to let those folks invade your property, that is your business. I want myself to be free to defend myself. With the governments' attempt to hold a monopoly of force, they don't like others encroaching on their territory. What they subsidize is the risk of being a bad guy. Without the government around, folks would take less crap off of would-be bad guys.

++ Without welfare there would be no crazy people, addicts or housing shortage?
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That's not what I said. I said they'd have had to live more responsible lives, which might result in fewer problems.

++ Seems you are in favor of culling the herd. Been there, done that in Germany in the 1930s. Btw, look around... our taxes are low compared with similar countries who have fewer problems in this area.
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Countries that have fewer problems in this area don't have the War on Drugs(TM), at least not to the level the US does. As for culling the herd, that would be unethical. These people will either shape up or kill themselves. Neither is my doing.

++ Teachers made me crazy?
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Absolutely, if you judge at least one flavor of crazy to be lack of rationality, and motivation to question authority.

++ See above where you suggested industrial strength social engineering. Now you are calling for free love, you old hippy you.
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I take the latter as a compliment. I don't agree that I suggested social engineering anywhere. I only advocate freedom.
 
Threegoofs said:
Wow. Sounds terrible.

People must me moving out in droves, and the horrible condition of the city must mean that land values and home prices must be hitting rock bottom.

Boy- a whole lotta people must really be snapping up cheap homes there now.
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LOL. This is Threegoofs "Let them eat cake" moment.
 
jmotivator said:
LOL. This is Threegoofs "Let them eat cake" moment.
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I know. What a totally convincing argument that SF is a liberal hellhole.

No one wants to live there.

The homeless population surely needs help- but as we all know, the government shouldn’t do it- those bastards need to pull themselves up by their own bootstraps!

I’m sure as property values continue to plummet ( they must be dropping- I keep hearing how horrible CA is and how everyone is fleeing because of taxes), they’ll get all the abandoned homes.
 
Threegoofs said:
I know. What a totally convincing argument that SF is a liberal hellhole.

No one wants to live there.

The homeless population surely needs help- but as we all know, the government shouldn’t do it- those bastards need to pull themselves up by their own bootstraps!

I’m sure as property values continue to plummet ( they must be dropping- I keep hearing how horrible CA is and how everyone is fleeing because of taxes), they’ll get all the abandoned homes.
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You have to wonder how bad it has to get before Threegoofs decides to take a new tack. School kids dodging through human **** and infected needles is apparently not rock bottom for Threegoofs. Requiring that people **** in bathrooms and throw away their used needles in trash cans is just too bootstrappy for him. :roll:
 
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Oceanborn said:
For years, I had a liberal view on legalizing drugs. Recently, my perception has changed. While there is no sense in putting non violent drug users in prison, there needs to be consequences for their actions. Community service, for example, would also help to clean up the streets these degenerates have covered with filth.



Disgusting. Three minutes into the video, a woman squats in front of the reporter and urinates on the street. Even people in third world countries have the decency to not crap and pee in the middle of the street in front of strangers.
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Close the public bathrooms to keep the homeless population down.

Get mad when they go in the streets.

Declare everybody a commodtity.

Get mad when business doesn't value some "commodities" enough to pay them enough to live so they end up in the street

Cut money for mental health care.

Get mad when the streets are full of crazies.

I presume execution would the pro-business solution

Or indenture.

That could work too.

Turn your problems into profits.
 
jmotivator said:
You have to wonder how bad it has to get before Threegoofs decides to take a new tack. School kids dodging through human **** and infected needles is apparently not rock bottom for Threegoofs. Requiring that people **** in bathrooms and throw away their used needles in trash cans is just too bootstrappy for him. :roll:
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It’s self correcting. This horrible liberal dystopia in SF is collapsing and property values are probably getting close to rock bottom.
 
Jack Hays said:
[h=3]California exodus gathers strength, as home prices continue upward ...[/h]https://www.marketwatch.com › Economy & Politics
Jun 1, 2018 - The median sale price for a home in California is more than double that of the rest of the country. ... Housing costs are much higher in California than in other states, yet wages for workers in the lower income brackets aren’t. ... As the housing market imploded and prices came back to ...
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All the quality service people left years ago to where they can live fat on what they earn.
 
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