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    Let's talk about California Fire Management + CA COMPETENCE

    Worst fires ever, dead people, people rushing out of the house in the middle of the night with nothing just steps in front of the fire because they were not warned, in fact there no longer exists a good warning system now that almost no one has land lines. Remember Oroville Dam where the spillway broke to potentially catastrophic result this year:
    Last week, the Oroville Dam Spillway Incident Independent Forensic Team, an independent panel of dam experts, concluded that poor design and construction in the 1960s, combined with a failure to perform adequate repairs, led to the spillway failure.
    Oroville Dam: Here's what the spillway looks like now

    Failure to do maintenance is state of California mismanagement, just as I claimed at the time. I also was not happy with their water level management, it was stupid to let it get to 100% before they dumped any water just because they wanted to look at a 100% full lake, the spillway had not been used in years, maybe you want to test it out??

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    So horrible state of California management happens...did it happen here? Both by failing to control the fires and by failing to warn people?

    See I have this theory that California does bad work in part because like Japan before the nuke problem they still have a rep for being able to manage things, so with that and a citizenry who wants to trust them no one ever starts asking the right questions (Including so-called journalists of course), no one ever starts demanding proof that things are getting done, which is good, because they are not. California officials get away with it because citizens do not demand better.

    But too many more really bad failures like this and that reputation is gone baby.

    What does California do then I wonder.
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    Re: Let's talk about California Fire Management + CA COMPETENCE

    The report, the third in a series of analyses exploring root causes of the spillway failure undertaken by Robert Bea, a retired UC Berkeley civil engineering professor, says the Federal Energy Regulatory Commission, the California Department of Water Resources and its associated Division of Safety of Dams all failed to act on evidence that dam’s massive concrete spillway was seriously compromised prior to a massive breach that appeared on Feb. 7.
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    “We have concluded DWR and DSOD should have taken the steps to update the design, construction, operations and maintenance facilities so as to satisfy its documented statutory, regulatory and management responsibilities,” the report says. “A superficial ‘patch and pray’ approach is not an acceptable safety and risk management process for important public infrastructure systems.”
    https://ww2.kqed.org/news/2017/07/21...rc-negligence/


    KQED is reporting it straight, but a lot of the stuff from the so-called journalists super sugar coats the conclusions of this report.

    Journalism has to work.



    EDIT: Just to make this more fun they are rushing to get the spillway done, because the lake is filling up. Nov 1 Was the deadline set. They might make it.
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    Re: Let's talk about California Fire Management + CA COMPETENCE

    Let's not. Wettest winter in a century; massive fuel explosion. Northwind weather events, plus idiot firebugs with matches = 5000+ structures burned, nearly 30 confirmed dead and 500 missing, and here comes Hawkeye10 opining that any of the thousands of Californians who lost their homes of their lives were the fault of a state legislature that didn't pay the proper bounty to Moscow during the international poker game of "massive annihilation during natural disasters" because the Soviets were able to control the massive wind events that destroyed thousands of structures, killed hundreds of people because, hey, they are the MAN, right?

    Just forget about it. Just Californians after all. Nobody important. Who cares if they live or die. The congress and WH only care about RED states... nobody in DC gives a fat flying fuck about California, Puerto Rico, Virgin Islands or anywhere else where Blue States or American Citizens who don't have the allowable votes to fight back.

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    Re: Let's talk about California Fire Management + CA COMPETENCE

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    Let's not. Wettest winter in a century; massive fuel explosion. Northwind weather events, plus idiot firebugs with matches = 5000+ structures burned, nearly 30 confirmed dead and 500 missing, and here comes Hawkeye10 opining that any of the thousands of Californians who lost their homes of their lives were the fault of a state legislature that didn't pay the proper bounty to Moscow during the international poker game of "massive annihilation during natural disasters" because the Soviets were able to control the massive wind events that destroyed thousands of structures, killed hundreds of people because, hey, they are the MAN, right?

    Just forget about it. Just Californians after all. Nobody important. Who cares if they live or die. The congress and WH only care about RED states... nobody in DC gives a fat flying fuck about California, Puerto Rico, Virgin Islands or anywhere else where Blue States or American Citizens who don't have the allowable votes to fight back.
    These fires are a normal part of the natural process in that part of the country. Just like hurricanes in the gulf coast region. As more and more people build their homes in harms way more and more people are going to have harm come to them. It is sad and unfortunate. Especially for the people that do not realize they are buying a home in harms way. We unfortunately have reached a point in this country where so many people are living in harms way that we cannot afford it. I think in the future we are going to have to get smarter on how and where we build our homes and cities. Otherwise things will get worse.
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    Re: Let's talk about California Fire Management + CA COMPETENCE

    Quote Originally Posted by Hawkeye10 View Post
    Worst fires ever, dead people, people rushing out of the house in the middle of the night with nothing just steps in front of the fire because they were not warned, in fact there no longer exists a good warning system now that almost no one has land lines. Remember Oroville Dam where the spillway broke to potentially catastrophic result this year:

    Oroville Dam: Here's what the spillway looks like now

    Failure to do maintenance is state of California mismanagement, just as I claimed at the time. I also was not happy with their water level management, it was stupid to let it get to 100% before they dumped any water just because they wanted to look at a 100% full lake, the spillway had not been used in years, maybe you want to test it out??

    MAYBE?


    So horrible state of California management happens...did it happen here? Both by failing to control the fires and by failing to warn people?

    See I have this theory that California does bad work in part because like Japan before the nuke problem they still have a rep for being able to manage things, so with that and a citizenry who wants to trust them no one ever starts asking the right questions (Including so-called journalists of course), no one ever starts demanding proof that things are getting done, which is good, because they are not. California officials get away with it because citizens do not demand better.

    But too many more really bad failures like this and that reputation is gone baby.

    What does California do then I wonder.
    The lack of landlines is starting to be a problem, but here in the Midwest, we get alerts on our cell phones when weather is threatening and I don't see why they can't do that as well. In addition, we have huge sirens in our communities -- does California have none of those?

    TV stations should also be putting out constant alerts in threatened areas. Why are so many getting caught in these fires? That's crazy in this day and age.

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    Re: Let's talk about California Fire Management + CA COMPETENCE

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    Let's not. Wettest winter in a century; massive fuel explosion. Northwind weather events, plus idiot firebugs with matches = 5000+ structures burned, nearly 30 confirmed dead and 500 missing, and here comes Hawkeye10 opining that any of the thousands of Californians who lost their homes of their lives were the fault of a state legislature that didn't pay the proper bounty to Moscow during the international poker game of "massive annihilation during natural disasters" because the Soviets were able to control the massive wind events that destroyed thousands of structures, killed hundreds of people because, hey, they are the MAN, right?

    Just forget about it. Just Californians after all. Nobody important. Who cares if they live or die. The congress and WH only care about RED states... nobody in DC gives a fat flying fuck about California, Puerto Rico, Virgin Islands or anywhere else where Blue States or American Citizens who don't have the allowable votes to fight back.
    Wowwwww
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    Re: Let's talk about California Fire Management + CA COMPETENCE

    Quote Originally Posted by Hawkeye10 View Post
    Worst fires ever, dead people, people rushing out of the house in the middle of the night with nothing just steps in front of the fire because they were not warned, in fact there no longer exists a good warning system now that almost no one has land lines. Remember Oroville Dam where the spillway broke to potentially catastrophic result this year:

    Oroville Dam: Here's what the spillway looks like now

    Failure to do maintenance is state of California mismanagement, just as I claimed at the time. I also was not happy with their water level management, it was stupid to let it get to 100% before they dumped any water just because they wanted to look at a 100% full lake, the spillway had not been used in years, maybe you want to test it out??

    MAYBE?


    So horrible state of California management happens...did it happen here? Both by failing to control the fires and by failing to warn people?

    See I have this theory that California does bad work in part because like Japan before the nuke problem they still have a rep for being able to manage things, so with that and a citizenry who wants to trust them no one ever starts asking the right questions (Including so-called journalists of course), no one ever starts demanding proof that things are getting done, which is good, because they are not. California officials get away with it because citizens do not demand better.

    But too many more really bad failures like this and that reputation is gone baby.

    What does California do then I wonder.
    I came across an article that told of concern for the condition of overhead powerlines that were potential fire hazzards. A bi-partisan bill was passed in the state legislature that addressed these concerns and sent to Gov. Brown's desk in 2016 and he vetoed it.



    Wine County fire: Should Jerry Brown have vetoed fire bill?

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    Re: Let's talk about California Fire Management + CA COMPETENCE

    Quote Originally Posted by PIPEWRENCH View Post
    These fires are a normal part of the natural process in that part of the country. Just like hurricanes in the gulf coast region. As more and more people build their homes in harms way more and more people are going to have harm come to them. It is sad and unfortunate. Especially for the people that do not realize they are buying a home in harms way. We unfortunately have reached a point in this country where so many people are living in harms way that we cannot afford it. I think in the future we are going to have to get smarter on how and where we build our homes and cities. Otherwise things will get worse.
    The way this is undoubtedly going to have to happen is through insurance companies refusing to insure homes built in these areas. I say apparently because it seems building permits will continue to be issued in these tinder boxes by local gvmt as they have been up until now.

    As to late bugouts caused by lack of land lines, a simple drive-thru with a distinctive siren would easily solve that problem.

    And I agree with you, burns don’t have to be caused by careless campers or arson. Mother Nature has done it herself in forested areas and plains, for that matter, since the beginning of time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    The way this is undoubtedly going to have to happen is through insurance companies refusing to insure homes built in these areas. I say apparently because it seems building permits will continue to be issued in these tinder boxes by local gvmt as they have been up until now.

    As to late bugouts caused by lack of land lines, a simple drive-thru with a distinctive siren would easily solve that problem.

    And I agree with you, burns don’t have to be caused by careless campers or arson. Mother Nature has done it herself in forested areas and plains, for that matter, since the beginning of time.
    That is one of Trumps and congress agendas. If state and local government had to insure these homes they would not issue the permits. However as long as the federal government is footing the bill the local government will continue to allow people to build in clearly dangerous areas. You would see zoning changes if the local government had to offer flood and fire insurance to these areas that regular insurance companies are not stupid enough to cover. Plus it would be the local people living in harms way that would be subsidizing these policies and paying money out. I think they would have a change of heart if it come out of their pockets instead of everyone else's. It is clear the average home owner does not care until after the fact.
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    Re: Let's talk about California Fire Management + CA COMPETENCE

    Quote Originally Posted by PIPEWRENCH View Post
    That is one of Trumps and congress agendas. If state and local government had to insure these homes they would not issue the permits. However as long as the federal government is footing the bill the local government will continue to allow people to build in clearly dangerous areas. You would see zoning changes if the local government had to offer flood and fire insurance to these areas that regular insurance companies are not stupid enough to cover. Plus it would be the local people living in harms way that would be subsidizing these policies and paying money out. I think they would have a change of heart if it come out of their pockets instead of everyone else's. It is clear the average home owner does not care until after the fact.
    State and local gvmt doesn’t insure these properties. Neither does the Fed gvmt. Flood zones are another kettle of fish. The Fed does insure for those. The Only thing the Fed might do is designate these tinder boxes as fire zones and declaring them unbuildable much as they do wetlands. They ought to do that.
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