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Let's talk about California Fire Management + CA COMPETENCE

blackjack50 said:
They can start by decently paying and equipping a forestry service to regularly maintain their woodlands. This would also include teaching young kids that college is not the only option and that these are good careers that pay.
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That is what they have been complaining about for years, that not only has spending on management of the forests has been massively slashed (60ish% as I recall inflation adjusted) but they never know how much they have because they never know how much fires will cost and when you dont know your budgets year to everything is significantly more expensive because you cant buy on long term contracts or sometimes any contracts at all so the situation is even worse than it looks.

That is the national problem, been talked about for a lot of years but never fixed...... I am pretty sure California is set up the same way, we should check but I am about to launch a party with some of my old empolyees so not today for me.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
Worst fires ever, dead people, people rushing out of the house in the middle of the night with nothing just steps in front of the fire because they were not warned, in fact there no longer exists a good warning system now that almost no one has land lines. Remember Oroville Dam where the spillway broke to potentially catastrophic result this year:

Oroville Dam: Here's what the spillway looks like now

Failure to do maintenance is state of California mismanagement, just as I claimed at the time. I also was not happy with their water level management, it was stupid to let it get to 100% before they dumped any water just because they wanted to look at a 100% full lake, the spillway had not been used in years, maybe you want to test it out??

MAYBE?


So horrible state of California management happens...did it happen here? Both by failing to control the fires and by failing to warn people?

See I have this theory that California does bad work in part because like Japan before the nuke problem they still have a rep for being able to manage things, so with that and a citizenry who wants to trust them no one ever starts asking the right questions (Including so-called journalists of course), no one ever starts demanding proof that things are getting done, which is good, because they are not. California officials get away with it because citizens do not demand better.

But too many more really bad failures like this and that reputation is gone baby.

What does California do then I wonder.
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Why on Earth do you need to get so much wrong all the time is being wrong the only reason you live. The dam in California was the Corps of Engineers project not California's.
 
katzgar said:
Why on Earth do you need to get so much wrong all the time is being wrong the only reason you live. The dam in California was the Corps of Engineers project not California's.
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California owns it, and with ownership comes responsibility, which failed.

Can I clear anything else up for you?

You are so very vague.

I CAN HELP YOU
 
Hawkeye10 said:
California owns it, and with ownership comes responsibility, which failed.

Can I clear anything else up for you?

You are so very vague.

I CAN HELP YOU
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yup you are correct. I am so used to you being wrong that I just assumed...my bad
 
But the points of origin are critically important. With the danger from the fires finally ebbing, teams of investigators have been gathering at these places to sift through blackened soil and debris, inspect scorched trees, talk to those who first reported seeing flames as well as other witnesses, and lay down evidence markers, hoping to piece together the story of how a disaster began.
The areas represent suspected ignition points — at least for now — as identified by the California Department of Forestry and Fire Protection, or Cal Fire.
While that agency and independent experts said it’s too early to speculate on possible causes, the four locations did exhibit some common features: Power lines ran near all of them, and at two locations, downed electric and telecommunications lines and broken tree branches had been surrounded by yellow crime-scene tape.
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We went to the suspected origin points of 4 big fires. Here?s what we found - San Francisco Chronicle

Not looking good for PG&E and CAL regulators....
 
katzgar said:
yup you are correct. I am so used to you being wrong that I just assumed...my bad
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Actually my record for being right is well above average, so you are wrong again.
 
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