Page 3 of 9 FirstFirst 12345 ... LastLast
Results 21 to 30 of 84

Thread: Let's talk about California Fire Management + CA COMPETENCE

  1. #21
    Sage
    Fledermaus's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2014
    Location
    Peoples Republic of California AKA Taxifornia
    Last Seen
    Today @ 09:03 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Libertarian - Right
    Posts
    38,159

    Re: Let's talk about California Fire Management + CA COMPETENCE

    Quote Originally Posted by Hawkeye10 View Post
    You and me know that, surely fire experts in California know that too, so why did they for so long act like this was no big deal, why were they not out warning people at the front end " Hey Ya'll, this could be a problem, if you live in these counties have your bags packed, pay close attention to the news, and be ready to flee, these fires can be deadly"?

    They said almost nothing, they did not want to scare people, they say now they thought that their fire fighters would be able to handle it. Have you listened to some of these first responders....they were getting their asses kicked on these fires from the get go, they knew it, they feel bad about it, surely their bosses knew.

    And said nothing.
    Ummm

    Citation?

    Sonoma County Sheriff Rob Giordano said Wednesday that the county sent out warnings through its SoCoAlert service and Nixle, both systems that require residents to register in advance in order to receive messages. The county also sent out reverse 911 calls to landlines in unincorporated areas. Santa Rosa, where block after block of suburban homes was destroyed, sent out alerts through SoCoAlert, Nixle and on social media.

    Napa, Sonoma counties did not issue Amber Alert-style warnings ahead of fires - LA Times
    “All opinions are not equal. Some are a very great deal more robust, sophisticated and well supported in logic and argument than others.”
    ― Douglas Adams

  2. #22
    Sage
    Fledermaus's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2014
    Location
    Peoples Republic of California AKA Taxifornia
    Last Seen
    Today @ 09:03 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Libertarian - Right
    Posts
    38,159

    Re: Let's talk about California Fire Management + CA COMPETENCE

    Quote Originally Posted by Hawkeye10 View Post
    PG&E is having worst week in nine years as wildfires rage - SFGate

    This would be if true yet more negligence on the part of the State of California...it has long been known that PG&E does not invest in the upkeep of the system as they need to, the State knows, and the state has an obligation to the citizens to take action when its regulated unities dont correctly manage their systems.....but see California politicians have other more sexy things on their minds, like "green energy", they have long told PG&E to prioritize the sexy stuff.
    PG&E Corp. is about to cap its worst week in nine years on speculation that downed power lines may have played a part in deadly wildfires racing across Napa Valley.
    The shares resumed their slide on Friday, slumping as much as 13 percent, as Evercore ISI said the market's pricing in "significant financial exposure" to the wildfires.
    PG&E's stock had barely budged earlier this week when the wildfires began spreading, consuming people's homes and forcing thousands to evacuate. Then local media began pointing to potential connections between the fires and PG&E power lines knocked down by strong winds. By Thursday, California fire officials had confirmed they're investigating the role of downed power lines, and utility regulators said they're looking at PG&E's maintenance activities in the area.
    “All opinions are not equal. Some are a very great deal more robust, sophisticated and well supported in logic and argument than others.”
    ― Douglas Adams

  3. #23
    #TruthTellerTribe

    Hawkeye10's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2015
    Location
    Olympia Wa
    Last Seen
    Today @ 09:06 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Other
    Posts
    34,038

    Re: Let's talk about California Fire Management + CA COMPETENCE

    Quote Originally Posted by Fledermaus View Post
    Ummm

    Citation?

    Sonoma County Sheriff Rob Giordano said Wednesday that the county sent out warnings through its SoCoAlert service and Nixle, both systems that require residents to register in advance in order to receive messages. The county also sent out reverse 911 calls to landlines in unincorporated areas. Santa Rosa, where block after block of suburban homes was destroyed, sent out alerts through SoCoAlert, Nixle and on social media.

    Napa, Sonoma counties did not issue Amber Alert-style warnings ahead of fires - LA Times
    The NBC Bay Area Investigative Unit asked Christopher Helgren about his decision not to activate the county’s wireless emergency alert system. It is a system the county first acquired in July 2016 but has never used. It can simultaneously alert all of the county’s 500,000 residents through their cellphones.

    Helgren, along with his emergency coordinator Zachary Hamill, were both out of the area when they were notified of the fires fanning across Santa Rosa. Helgren said he did not realize the magnitude of the fires until he arrived in the city around 6 a.m.
    “We did the best with the information we had at the time,” Helgren said
    .
    https://www.nbcbayarea.com/investiga...450703593.html

    Just damning....
    The American Left never had the right to try to control minds or conversations.... that is abuse....and it has to be over.
    Be not cruel, attempt to listen, and dont lie.....Civility Demands
    QUALITY MATTERS!

  4. #24
    Sage
    PIPEWRENCH's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2014
    Last Seen
    Today @ 08:07 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Slightly Conservative
    Posts
    5,536

    Re: Let's talk about California Fire Management + CA COMPETENCE

    Quote Originally Posted by Hawkeye10 View Post
    True in that the experts have long warned that so many people living in wilderness areas makes dealing with fire more complicated, they have advised against it over and over, but the trend in recent decades in California has been to do just that because people want what they want. But you know we all knew that, as did the State of California, which makes the fact that they never came up with workable plans to warn people and do evacuations negligence.

    The State needs to be held accountable.

    The citizens must demand better.
    People need to hold themselves responsible when you intentionally build in harms way. Evacuation with these fires needs to be done way in advance due to the shifting winds. I fought wild fires in Arizona when I was in the military. As an MP my job was directing firefighters on which way to go when evacuating as the winds changed. Even the firefighters were getting trapped. With so many people living in harms way I am surprised we haven't had more people killed. A lot of the mountain is accessible by only 1 road in or out. Once the fire cuts the road off There is no evacuation. The only hope is to get lucky and find a safe area or the wind changes direction.
    “When choosing the lesser of two evils, always remember, it is still an evil.”

  5. #25
    Dungeon Master
    Hooter Babe

    DiAnna's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2008
    Location
    Northern California
    Last Seen
    @
    Gender
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    35,147
    Blog Entries
    1

    Re: Let's talk about California Fire Management + CA COMPETENCE

    Quote Originally Posted by Hawkeye10 View Post
    But you know.....they never even had a plan for how to warn people now that the landlines are so often gone, and they were very quiet at the front end, and just as with 9/11 in NYC one of the biggest problems trying to get this fire down has been that there is not one communication system for all which was of course completely forseeable yet nothing was ever done.

    "This is the best we can do folks" is not going to work here.
    That is simply untrue. I received an automated "Coded Alert" evacuation order on Tuesday, when a fire erupted 4 miles from my home. Several hours later, I received a "Coded Alert" recording saying the evacuator order had been lifted.

    Also, I don't recall seeing a bunch of "it's all the state's fault, and residents who lost homes are to blame for living there" when Montana and Colorado were ravaged by wildfires a month or so ago. Why, praytell, is all of this venom and finger-pointing relegated only to California?

  6. #26
    Sage
    Fledermaus's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2014
    Location
    Peoples Republic of California AKA Taxifornia
    Last Seen
    Today @ 09:03 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Libertarian - Right
    Posts
    38,159

    Re: Let's talk about California Fire Management + CA COMPETENCE

    Quote Originally Posted by Hawkeye10 View Post
    What is. Yoir inability to understand the situation?
    “All opinions are not equal. Some are a very great deal more robust, sophisticated and well supported in logic and argument than others.”
    ― Douglas Adams

  7. #27
    Sage
    Fledermaus's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2014
    Location
    Peoples Republic of California AKA Taxifornia
    Last Seen
    Today @ 09:03 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Libertarian - Right
    Posts
    38,159

    Re: Let's talk about California Fire Management + CA COMPETENCE

    Quote Originally Posted by Hawkeye10 View Post
    Suggestion. Understand first. Damn if/when reality corresponds to your beliefs.
    “All opinions are not equal. Some are a very great deal more robust, sophisticated and well supported in logic and argument than others.”
    ― Douglas Adams

  8. #28
    Sage
    mike2810's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2010
    Location
    arizona
    Last Seen
    07-14-18 @ 12:23 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    15,875

    Re: Let's talk about California Fire Management + CA COMPETENCE

    Quote Originally Posted by Hawkeye10 View Post
    But you know.....they never even had a plan for how to warn people now that the landlines are so often gone, and they were very quiet at the front end, and just as with 9/11 in NYC one of the biggest problems trying to get this fire down has been that there is not one communication system for all which was of course completely forseeable yet nothing was ever done.

    "This is the best we can do folks" is not going to work here.
    What is your suggestion?

    What do you do when the fires take out the cell towers?
    "
    If we have data, let's look at the data. if all we have is opinions let's go with mine
    -barksdale
    "

  9. #29
    Sage
    mike2810's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2010
    Location
    arizona
    Last Seen
    07-14-18 @ 12:23 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    15,875

    Re: Let's talk about California Fire Management + CA COMPETENCE

    Quote Originally Posted by Hawkeye10 View Post
    A free lance journalist who lives in the disaster area has a good piece up on CNN about what a disaster communications have been, which is almost all due to California never bothering to have a plan in my opinion, California not doing the work...again.... so its citizens suffer:


    This is what Californians really needed during the fires (Opinion) - CNN
    and the "citizens" did nothing to help themselves throughout the year. No defensible space created to protect the home.
    imo, the govt. and the citizens both played a role in the disaster.

    I see blame someone else mentality.

    I agree that alerts could have been better. Let's all raise taxes to pay for the upgrades.
    "
    If we have data, let's look at the data. if all we have is opinions let's go with mine
    -barksdale
    "

  10. #30
    #TruthTellerTribe

    Hawkeye10's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2015
    Location
    Olympia Wa
    Last Seen
    Today @ 09:06 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Other
    Posts
    34,038

    Re: Let's talk about California Fire Management + CA COMPETENCE

    In response, PG&E said that “hurricane strength winds in excess of 75 mph in some cases” had damaged their equipment, but they said it was too early to speculate about what started the fires.
    However, wind speeds were only about half that level, as the lines started to come down, the weather station records show. At a weather station in north Santa Rosa where the Tubbs fire started, the peak wind gusts at 9:29 p.m. hit 30 mph. An hour later, they were 41 mph. Similarly, at another weather station east of the city of Napa, on Atlas Peak, where the Atlas fire started, wind gusts at 9:29 p.m. peaked at 32 mph. An hour later they were 30 mph.

    Both speeds were substantially under the speed that power lines must be able to withstand winds under state law: at least 56 mph. “This is classic PG&E — trying to spin things without first taking a look at the hard facts,” said Burlingame attorney Frank Pitre. “The winds were well within the threshold of design standards. If they failed, this was a failure in their system.”
    Fire cause mystery: Winds not 'hurricane strength' as PG&E said

    Why am I not surprised......
    The American Left never had the right to try to control minds or conversations.... that is abuse....and it has to be over.
    Be not cruel, attempt to listen, and dont lie.....Civility Demands
    QUALITY MATTERS!

Page 3 of 9 FirstFirst 12345 ... LastLast

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •