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What is. Yoir inability to understand the situation?
But you know.....they never even had a plan for how to warn people now that the landlines are so often gone, and they were very quiet at the front end, and just as with 9/11 in NYC one of the biggest problems trying to get this fire down has been that there is not one communication system for all which was of course completely forseeable yet nothing was ever done.
"This is the best we can do folks" is not going to work here.
A free lance journalist who lives in the disaster area has a good piece up on CNN about what a disaster communications have been, which is almost all due to California never bothering to have a plan in my opinion, California not doing the work...again.... so its citizens suffer:
This is what Californians really needed during the fires (Opinion) - CNN
Fire cause mystery: Winds not 'hurricane strength' as PG&E saidIn response, PG&E said that “hurricane strength winds in excess of 75 mph in some cases” had damaged their equipment, but they said it was too early to speculate about what started the fires.
However, wind speeds were only about half that level, as the lines started to come down, the weather station records show. At a weather station in north Santa Rosa where the Tubbs fire started, the peak wind gusts at 9:29 p.m. hit 30 mph. An hour later, they were 41 mph. Similarly, at another weather station east of the city of Napa, on Atlas Peak, where the Atlas fire started, wind gusts at 9:29 p.m. peaked at 32 mph. An hour later they were 30 mph.
Both speeds were substantially under the speed that power lines must be able to withstand winds under state law: at least 56 mph. “This is classic PG&E — trying to spin things without first taking a look at the hard facts,” said Burlingame attorney Frank Pitre. “The winds were well within the threshold of design standards. If they failed, this was a failure in their system.”
By what?
You were wrong about the "no notice" thing.
A great many people had no notice, because there was no plan, and what they did worked poorly.
This is how power loses the people, especially if they refuse to get better after this failure.
One of the many things they need to do is to devise a warning system that works.
And that has to be targeted, needing to do whole counties is too big.
We used to be able to do it block by block.
We need something like that.
WE USED TO BE BETTER
You blathered that there was NO notice.
"You and me know that, surely fire experts in California know that too, so why did they for so long act like this was no big deal, why were they not out warning people at the front end " Hey Ya'll, this could be a problem, if you live in these counties have your bags packed, pay close attention to the news, and be ready to flee, these fires can be deadly"?
They said almost nothing, they did not want to scare people, they say now they thought that their fire fighters would be able to handle it. Have you listened to some of these first responders....they were getting their asses kicked on these fires from the get go, they knew it, they feel bad about it, surely their bosses knew.
And said nothing. "
They WERE warning people.
170,000 landlines are not "nothing" or "almost nothing".
You stated "there was no plan".
There IS a plan. One that will be improved after lessons learned.
And "targeted"? WTH?
Please share your solution.
Your hyperbole and misrepresentation is neither required nor desired.
Every person in California that has access to local news channels was well aware by the end of last week that a Red Flag Fire Danger had been declared. The north winds were coming, a California map showing the counties that had Red Flag Warnings were clearly delineated, allowing the applicable county agencies to put their emergency systems in place. These are county-wide agencies, not state-wide agencies. If the event was so fast-moving and widespread, as it was in several of those Red Flagged counties that it wiped out communications in affected areas, that is not the state's fault, it's not the county's fault. Blame god if you want.
The fire went from nonexistent to engulfing entire subdivisions with hundreds of homes in minutes. Not hours, minutes. At one point, fires in Sonoma County were burning an area the size of a football field every 60 seconds. Those football-field acres were filled with homes, dozens of homes.
They are still finding human bones and teeth in the ashes; 400 people are still missing amid the 6,000 structures destroyed so far. Another "wind event" will start tomorrow, and the fires are still burning. More homes are likely to be engulfed, more people are likely to die.
So to those of you who delight in the people of California's misery wouldn't mind waiting until we've found and buried our dead before chortling and finger-pointing, I'd seriously appreciate it.
The land lines is kinda nothing now because there are so few.
Ya they had a plan, the plan was to use the new cell phone alert system but then see when the fires hit the ones who were supposed to activate it started thinking that since they have to do it county by county maybe they cause too much harm by scaring people who dont need to be scared because they live in a safe place, and if they get scared they will clog the roads so the fire trucks cant do their thing..... all these people who should stay at home and would if they had better info will clog the roads...so they did not use it. But see this should have been thought of years ago by the geniuses who thought up this idea and told the locals that this was the plan.
There is also another fatal flaw in "The Plan"....by the time they actually used the cell alert many of the cell towers were fried so nothing happened.
So I say they had no plan because the "plan" was BS and was not used because it was judged at the time of crisis to be a bad idea.
We need a real plan, and we need to figure out that BS IS BS in the planning stages not during the crisis like here.
Like in the olden days.
Greetings, DiAnna. :2wave:
I thought about you several different times today, and even sent prayers for your safety. I'm so glad to see you're okay! So sad to read things like this.... :boohoo:
In other news the one and only 747 fire fighter is hard on the job.
Maybe we buy a few more, because it is perfect on this job.
It's ability to regulate drops comes in real handy.
How kind of you polgara. Thank you. *hugs*
What general area are you in?
I lived 20 years in SoCal and about 10 outside Calistoga and Sebastopol. We saw more fires in SoCal amazingly.
Sierra foothills, north of Sac.
What general area are you in?
I lived 20 years in SoCal and about 10 outside Calistoga and Sebastopol. We saw more fires in SoCal amazingly.
Aerial attacks on wind-driven fires are virtually useless. The erratic winds will cause most water or fire-retardant drops to miss their target, and disperse them so much that they don't do any good even where they land. Even if the drop hits its target, it hardly matters; the fire has already spread beyond that point. It is also very unsafe to fly in such conditions, and foolish to even try when the chances of success are almost zero.
The 2007 Fallbrook Fire: A Fire In A Suburban Rural Landscape
Tell us more.
Like in the "olden days"?
When there was no reverse 9/11, no social media, no SoCoAlert service, no Nixle?
The "olden days" when I found out the Disney fire was blocks away because the radio station commented on it?
"No plan" is a lie.
They "said nothing" is a lie.
Landlines "kinda nothing" is BS as 170,000 were used.
Please share your solution.
Your hyperbole and misrepresentation is neither required nor desired.
Out towards Grass Valey? We have some friends there.
Where in SoCal? (I may have asked you before)
For me, North SD county, Orange County (Could see Disney fireworks off back steps)... North Cal was Alameda and Vallejo.
We are in Nevada County, yes. There are still two uncontained fires about 30 miles north of us. The wind will change this weekend, and those fires will either turn south into the already burned area, where almost 300 structures have been lost, or will turn south into a new fuel source and head right for us.
You should check on your friends. Things are bad up there.