• This is a political forum that is non-biased/non-partisan and treats every person's position on topics equally. This debate forum is not aligned to any political party. In today's politics, many ideas are split between and even within all the political parties. Often we find ourselves agreeing on one platform but some topics break our mold. We are here to discuss them in a civil political debate. If this is your first visit to our political forums, be sure to check out the RULES. Registering for debate politics is necessary before posting. Register today to participate - it's free!

What is wrong with you?

JamesBY said:
If they voted, I bet they were not voting for Clinton or Johnson or McMullin. All three would have kicked them to the curb.
Click to expand...

The nice thing about debate is one necessarily does not have to win points, one only has to gut the other side's defenses.

OK, I am done with this for the moment.
 
JamesBY said:
If they voted, I bet they were not voting for Clinton or Johnson or McMullin. All three would have kicked them to the curb.
Click to expand...

No, they would have welcomed the votes...THEN make a half assed, nebulous comment about them months later.


My opinion.
 
JamesBY said:
The writer has some wonderful points concerning this who want to tear down America. Jonna Ramey concludes with saying that those who alight with the Third Reich in WWII and the CSA simply show they are losers. I would say they are losers looking for the third strike in our history if they keep up with this crap.

View attachment 67222284
Click to expand...

Re the Editorial:

Oh look, yet another guilt trip offered up by someone who makes it very clear at the jump that they are not willing to listen...........

"NEXT!"
 
OlNate said:
I agree with you, from a statistical perspective, but from a practical perspective, assuming your point is that white supremacist groups have greater numbers and have been active longer, doesn't that also confirm that white supremacists are still the greater problem? Just wondering how this is a counter point, and not an affirmation...
Click to expand...

I honestly don't know if they are a bigger problem now (it was stated in a prior post that combined the "white supremacists" now total about 20K folks) because I don't know how many "violent leftist" folks that there are. Just because there are more violent folks in groups A, B and C does not mean that violent folks in group D are not also a public safety problem. My concern as of late is that the police seem content to just protect themselves while watching the violence and property damage play out during "protests" that appear to be mob violence and/or full blown riots.
 
ocean515 said:
If I read the numbers right, even the alt-left ideologues at the Southern Poverty Law Center places their numbers at something below 20k in total between all of them.As despicable as these idiots are, why all this attention?
Click to expand...

By that reasoning, why is Fox news running nonstop on Obama and Hillary negative fake-news, when they are just two people?
And these aren't even despicable idiots, why all the attention?
 
nota bene said:
Because it suits.

And it's just too bad that Antifa and those who secretly sympathize with them are every bit as hateful and demonstrably more violent than knuckle-dragging white supremacists...and that they don't see that the last paragraph of the letter fails because it doesn't include them.
Click to expand...

It makes me laugh to see the MSM tiptoeing around antifa as if they are waiting for orders as to what to say. The script for Nazi's and White Supremsts is already written, so they are easy.

Other than the publicity, It's really much ado about nothing.
 
Common Sense 1 said:
Agree with you 1000%. You know when Nancy Pelosi can see the problem there is a big problem with the left calling out the violence! The
letter writer wants to blame one side for all the the trouble and closes a blind eye to Antifi thugs.

The last line in the letter is: "All Americans should stand shoulder to shoulder against your hatred and bigotry."
Does the left stand against Antifi? That is questionable right now. Maybe they are starting?

Nancy Pelosi condemns Antifa violence in Berkeley
Nancy Pelosi condemns Antifa violence in Berkeley
Click to expand...

Wait a minute.

I thought all those lefty kids were pansy snowflakes who needed safe.spaces.

Now they're the Huns?

Are y'all ever right about anything?
 
ttwtt78640 said:
I honestly don't know if they are a bigger problem now (it was stated in a prior post that combined the "white supremacists" now total about 20K folks) because I don't know how many "violent leftist" folks that there are. Just because there are more violent folks in groups A, B and C does not mean that violent folks in group D are not also a public safety problem. My concern as of late is that the police seem content to just protect themselves while watching the violence and property damage play out during "protests" that appear to be mob violence and/or full blown riots.
Click to expand...

I hear you...this seem to be deteriorating fast. I'm honestly blown away at my FB feed these days - not surprisingly a lot of the people on my friends list, and the people that I watch participate in the various ongoing discussions on their pages, are left leaning, and I'm amazed at the generosity with which they treat AntiFa. I mean, I've said before that in the context of AntiFa vs. Nazis, while I don't condone AntiFa's methodologies, I find their target (Nazis) acceptable, so it creates this ambivalence that tends to lead to "Meh". And I've said before, I find them less problematic than white supremacists, but I've never said I approve...well, maybe a bit right after the lady got killed, but I think that represented a head in the whole Right vs. Left thing (as unfair as that statement is to both sides), and I, along with a lot of other people, was pissed...but for the most part I think I've stayed pretty consistent on not being a fan of their methodology.

But I do see a lot of folks starting to marginally or outright condone AntiFa as a justifiable response to what they see as a Right-led attack on progress towards a more tolerant, peaceful, socially minded society. In a lot of ways I think that is misplaced, because while I think it's an us vs. them situation, I'm not sure that need equate to a Left vs. Right... This division is being seeded and nurtured by those that stand to benefit from it, and that division, which all of this is a consequence of, is something that people are throwing themselves into like it was Walmart on Black Friday, or something, with more and more people getting caught up in it. And it seems to be a perpetual energy machine, with the expenditure of angst creating exponentially more angst, so that no one gets this **** out of their system...hehe...

To me this feels like the kind of friction that happens before a major societal shift, which is by no means unprecedented or even uncommon, if you stretch the timeline back far enough. Everything gets shook up and crazy, and nothing feels like it makes sense according to what traditionally constitutes reason because a new reason is being established. AntiFa's methodology is condoned because it's ideology is more aligned to where society wants to go than the ideologies of their targets, and these incidents coincide with a period where America is undergoing a pretty significant battle of ideologies. That is further demonstrated by the fact that the other side of the same coin, the folks opposed to this, want to summarily dismiss AntiFa as terrorists or thugs, and ignore what drives their "cause", because they believe in the status quo, or traditional ideologies. I think that people in the latter group are in for a tough go, because until that's sorted out, there will always be an AntiFa in some form or another, until society achieves the changes it wants, or changes it's mind about what it wants...and in the meantime, as we've seen in the past, until the situation resolves itself one way or another, the violence will escalate and bring the matter to a head, because society can't tolerate this level of division for long.
 
OlNate said:
I hear you...this seem to be deteriorating fast. I'm honestly blown away at my FB feed these days - not surprisingly a lot of the people on my friends list, and the people that I watch participate in the various ongoing discussions on their pages, are left leaning, and I'm amazed at the generosity with which they treat AntiFa. I mean, I've said before that in the context of AntiFa vs. Nazis, while I don't condone AntiFa's methodologies, I find their target (Nazis) acceptable, so it creates this ambivalence that tends to lead to "Meh". And I've said before, I find them less problematic than white supremacists, but I've never said I approve...well, maybe a bit right after the lady got killed, but I think that represented a head in the whole Right vs. Left thing (as unfair as that statement is to both sides), and I, along with a lot of other people, was pissed...but for the most part I think I've stayed pretty consistent on not being a fan of their methodology.

But I do see a lot of folks starting to marginally or outright condone AntiFa as a justifiable response to what they see as a Right-led attack on progress towards a more tolerant, peaceful, socially minded society. In a lot of ways I think that is misplaced, because while I think it's an us vs. them situation, I'm not sure that need equate to a Left vs. Right... This division is being seeded and nurtured by those that stand to benefit from it, and that division, which all of this is a consequence of, is something that people are throwing themselves into like it was Walmart on Black Friday, or something, with more and more people getting caught up in it. And it seems to be a perpetual energy machine, with the expenditure of angst creating exponentially more angst, so that no one gets this **** out of their system...hehe...

To me this feels like the kind of friction that happens before a major societal shift, which is by no means unprecedented or even uncommon, if you stretch the timeline back far enough. Everything gets shook up and crazy, and nothing feels like it makes sense according to what traditionally constitutes reason because a new reason is being established. AntiFa's methodology is condoned because it's ideology is more aligned to where society wants to go than the ideologies of their targets, and these incidents coincide with a period where America is undergoing a pretty significant battle of ideologies. That is further demonstrated by the fact that the other side of the same coin, the folks opposed to this, want to summarily dismiss AntiFa as terrorists or thugs, and ignore what drives their "cause", because they believe in the status quo, or traditional ideologies. I think that people in the latter group are in for a tough go, because until that's sorted out, there will always be an AntiFa in some form or another, until society achieves the changes it wants, or changes it's mind about what it wants...and in the meantime, as we've seen in the past, until the situation resolves itself one way or another, the violence will escalate and bring the matter to a head, because society can't tolerate this level of division for long.
Click to expand...

TRAIN NAME: The Rot of "The ends justify the means" ........right ontime.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
TRAIN NAME: The Rot of "The ends justify the means" ........right ontime.
Click to expand...

Didn't say it's right...just that it is what it is... I wasn't really a fan of the methodology employed by the French Revolution either...it happened though. :)
 
OlNate said:
Didn't say it's right...just that it is what it is... I wasn't really a fan of the methodology employed by the French Revolution either...it happened though. :)
Click to expand...

Oh I heard you Friend.

Really good post.

:2wave:
 
ecofarm said:
It's basically a gang. It corrupts youth and engages in organized criminal activity. It's perpetuated by power hungry scumbags without morals or ethics. The impact is more than the people killed for initiation and profit, it's about degrading American society. Now don't go telling me the vast majority of nazi gang members are law abiding upstanding citizens. That's as stupid as claiming such about biker gangs.

MS13 is half the number in the US and some claim they're the devil incarnate. I see them in the news sometimes days in a row, entire programs even. They're better than a nazi gang because they don't perpetuate disadvantage and injustice against a race.

So, if we're gonna ignore 20k nazi gang members, are we also going to ignore 8k MS13 gang members? Or maybe both could be addressed, if someone somewhere has time.
Click to expand...

What would inspire you to suggest I would claim these KKK/White Supremacists are law abiding Citizens? What molecule of narrative have I provided that would cause you to write that?

MS13 has been in the news from time to time because of their violent and murderous actions, and attempts to erase them from within the borders of the country.

The difference in coverage between them and these KKK/White Supremacist goons is night and day. Have thousands turned out in cities across the country protesting the presence of MS13?

Why dance around the obvious? It seems quite obvious the KKK/White Supremacists are getting coverage because they fit the lies and propaganda the left depends on to fuel the Culture War they are engaged in.
 
JamesBY said:
It may suit you to believe that, but the argument is incorrect. How are antifa "every bit as hateful and demonstrably more violent than knuckle-dragging white supremacists..."? Are they pulling weapons and shooting in crowds? Are they driving cars into crowds? The moral equivalency argument once again fails.
Click to expand...

The man who pulled the gun fired warning shots, at most he is guilt of unlawful discharge of a weapon within city limits. The man who drove his car into protestors was considered mental unstable by some of his former teachers.

Your attempts to continually spin debate into a favorable position, is what made me chime it at this point. Say what you want about the alt-right jackasses, but at least they are assembling/protesting legally. Your little Antifa waifu's are performing massed assaults, riots, and vandalism a vast majority of the time they show up. Not to mention attacking people that are completely innocent, counter to their claims.

Face it, they are the bigger piece of **** in this equation.
 
Mach said:
By that reasoning, why is Fox news running nonstop on Obama and Hillary negative fake-news, when they are just two people?
And these aren't even despicable idiots, why all the attention?
Click to expand...

You need to rethink what you define as reasoning, as your post does not appear to contain any.
 
AlbqOwl said:
You are correct that the numbers are tiny. They only seem large because they get so much media attention and are such a prominent target for outrage from the left who will not acknowledge that 99% of the right also denounces and disavows any support for them.

I have been watching this phenomenon of the PC police and the ultra extreme reaction to anybody who doesn't conform to the ideology of the left. It isn't set in granite yet, but I am coming to a pretty firm conclusion that the left is confirming day by day. This thread is a good example.

I think the left doesn't really believe in anything. Everything they stand for is some kind of fuzzy notion of utopian scenario of how they think they want things to be or how they think things are. If you ask any one of them to really explain their point of view coherently and specifically, it is an extremely rare leftist who can do so. They will say something like say all healthcare should be single payer, but they will not even entertain or consider any negative components that come with that. Anybody who disagrees with them about that is bad, wrong, hateful, greedy etc. And of course racist and/or sexist and/or. . .

Their whole focus is on those who disagree with them, who see things differently, or who hold un-PC opinions about anything. Such people are immediately dumped into Hillary's 'basket of deplorables' and labeled as something awful. And a huge target is put on such people for punishment and/or destruction. Certainly such people should not be allowed to speak or do business or otherwise enjoy ordinary liberties that most of the left demands for itself. Those on the left will spell out their sins that to the leftists are glaring even as the left cannot coherently define the actual sins that are being committed. The sin is not thinking like the left.

With some exceptions, the left isn't driven by ideology or theory or anything concrete or clearly definable. They seem to be driven by their own illusions of superiority, of being better people with the goal of eliminating all who don't toe the righteous line of correct thought. They cannot argue without using ad hominem and personal insults. They can't defend their point of view because they can't define it, so they attack the 'evil opposition' who dares to challenge them. Challenge them on anything and you will be personally attacked.

It is a little scary when you think about it.
Click to expand...

I honestly think it started with the media parroting the whole notion back out into the world from political opponents of Trump or his views, that everyone of them was a racist, misogynist, etc. After so long of repeating it over, and over I think people just stopped asking the necessary questions. Instead opting to go along with it in droves, like some sort of lemming army.

I got dangerously close to that during the election, until I saw what BLM was doing to Bernie at his own rally. So I started looking around, and asking more questions, and by the time the Democrats had tossed Bernie aside I knew it wasn't right.

This whole political storm is just a waste, seeing as their are valid reasons to not like Trump. Just as much as their are valid reason to want him to stay in his current seat, but all of his opponents keep screaming the same tire, and pointless things.

No one is going to learn at this rate.
 
Flouncy Magoo said:
Why are you blatantly lying?

Why do you defend fascists and demonize those who save vulnerable people from their mindless violence?
Click to expand...

Okay you can stop the trolling here, no one is going to fall for your sorry attempt at spinning this in favor of Antifa. They are not the hero's in this equation, and never will be.
 
Flouncy Magoo said:
I know you reichwingers had a collective orgasm when finally, after decades, someone who identified as a Democrat finally shot at some Republicans.

You still are the side with more terrorism and murder on your record than any other group in the US, and you've held that lead for decades.

When it comes to terrorism, righties have no equals.
Click to expand...

When it comes to racism, lefties have no equal.. see what I did there?

Doesn't seem fair does it?
 
JamesBY said:
Believe your false numbers all you want. Fascists have the right to free speech, which does not include their call to kill, euthanize, deport, or incarcerate Americans they don't like.
Click to expand...

Actually it does.
This is where it gets sweet for me that I can teach you something, because the freedom of speech was intended to protect speech that was unpopular, and guess what sunny. Their speech is currently one of the most unpopular in the country. Just so long as that speech stays being simple speech, they can spew their stupidity all they want.

But the moment they throw a punch or anything considered a physical attack. Its no longer considered speech, and they will get stomped to the ground for it.

Now I hope you enjoyed your quick trip back to remedial, common knowledge. Please try to learn something this time, and have a nice day.
 
Oborosen said:
Actually it does.
This is where it gets sweet for me that I can teach you something, because the freedom of speech was intended to protect speech that was unpopular, and guess what sunny. Their speech is currently one of the most unpopular in the country. Just so long as that speech stays being simple speech, they can spew their stupidity all they want.

But the moment they throw a punch or anything considered a physical attack. Its no longer considered speech, and they will get stomped to the ground for it.

Now I hope you enjoyed your quick trip back to remedial, common knowledge. Please try to learn something this time, and have a nice day.
Click to expand...

Mmm...not as simple as that.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fighting_words#United_States

Room for interpretation, but maybe hide that chubby, as you're kind of both right.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top Bottom