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    Re: Stupid Over-Regulation in Oregon

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    Most such licensing is just a way to restrict entry into a profession for the benefit of those already in.
    Yes, to insure that the people in the field actually know what the **** they are talking about and don't give others within the profession a horrible name. You really want some random idiot who has no idea what they're talking about going around building bridges and other structures only to have them crumble a month later after the guy skipped the state?

    If he's an engineer, and he lives in Oregon why doesn't he just go get himself a license and prove he knows his ****? For anybody who truly takes their profession seriously it's generally a pretty small price to pay, and once you're in you don't have to worry about some yahoo who has no idea what he's doing undercutting you or making your whole profession look bad.

    Sometimes a little barrier to entry is a good thing it ensures people are truly dedicated to something before they sign up. Imagine how many patents would be filed by random assholes who have no idea how to even bring their invention to market if a patent was free to apply for? Look at how many frivolous lawsuits get filed when lawyers say "they don't get paid until you win your case."

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    Re: Stupid Over-Regulation in Oregon

    Quote Originally Posted by MrWonka View Post
    Yes, to insure that the people in the field actually know what the **** they are talking about and don't give others within the profession a horrible name. You really want some random idiot who has no idea what they're talking about going around building bridges and other structures only to have them crumble a month later after the guy skipped the state?
    None of that has to do with the topic at hand: the person in question was talking about engineering. Not building bridges, building, or bodegas. He wasn't even acting as a consultant.
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    Re: Stupid Over-Regulation in Oregon

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    I don't see any legitimate state role beyond authenticating their claimed educational credentials.
    And in keeping with all of that, unless you're a citizen of Oregon, none ya, right? Local control?

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    Re: Stupid Over-Regulation in Oregon

    When I graduated High School and was looking into a degree in Engineering, I learned a fun little fact about getting an Engineering cert. in Oregon. There's a college in Oregon call Oregon Institute of Technology. At the time, it was pretty much the "red-headed stepchild" of Oregon colleges, but it was cheap. You could go to OIT for four years and complete your education in a number of Engineering fields, but the State of Oregon would not recognize that education as being sufficient for certification in Oregon. However, California would and if you were certified in California, then Oregon would automatically certify you. So the recommendation was to go to OIT, get certified in California and then come back to Oregon and get certified here. The process for certification in Oregon has been screwed up for a long time....
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    Re: Stupid Over-Regulation in Oregon

    Quote Originally Posted by MrWonka View Post
    Yes, to insure that the people in the field actually know what the **** they are talking about and don't give others within the profession a horrible name. You really want some random idiot who has no idea what they're talking about going around building bridges and other structures only to have them crumble a month later after the guy skipped the state?

    If he's an engineer, and he lives in Oregon why doesn't he just go get himself a license and prove he knows his ****? For anybody who truly takes their profession seriously it's generally a pretty small price to pay, and once you're in you don't have to worry about some yahoo who has no idea what he's doing undercutting you or making your whole profession look bad.

    Sometimes a little barrier to entry is a good thing it ensures people are truly dedicated to something before they sign up. Imagine how many patents would be filed by random assholes who have no idea how to even bring their invention to market if a patent was free to apply for? Look at how many frivolous lawsuits get filed when lawyers say "they don't get paid until you win your case."
    Why in the world should he need a license to comment on a public issue? And did you even read the requirements to be licensed as an engineer in Oregon? Quite a lot of PITA.

    As for the rest, I don't see why valid educational credentials should not be sufficient.
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    Re: Stupid Over-Regulation in Oregon

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    The individual in this case is an engineer.
    So a doctor from another country can come here and practice medicine without state certification?

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    Re: Stupid Over-Regulation in Oregon

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    So a doctor from another country can come here and practice medicine without state certification?
    He can certainly come here and discuss a public issue regarding medicine. The engineer in the OP article is doing nothing more than public discussion.
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    Re: Stupid Over-Regulation in Oregon

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    So a doctor from another country can come here and practice medicine without state certification?
    Probably not, but you should be aware that Kermit Gosnell was licensed by the state of Pennsylvania to practice medicine. Keep that in mind when you're in the waiting room gazing at your physician's state license and getting all warm and fuzzy.

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    Re: Stupid Over-Regulation in Oregon

    From the OP article:

    . . . The board has tried to bully others, too. It investigated and warned a political candidate about calling himself an engineer without being licensed by the board. (He has Cornell University and MIT degrees in environmental and civil engineering, and membership in the American Society of Civil Engineers.) For the same reason, the board is in its 12th month investigating a gubernatorial candidate who said “I’m an engineer” in a political ad. (He has a mechanical engineering degree from Purdue University and was an engineer at Ford and Boeing.)

    The Oregon board has until June 14 to answer the court complaint filed on Jarlstrom’s behalf by the Institute for Justice, the nation’s liberty law firm that a few years ago stopped North Carolina’s Board of Dietetics/Nutrition from silencing a blogger who dispensed his opinions about various diets. Oregon’s board will probably receive a judicial spanking for suppressing Jarlstrom’s right to speak and, were he to try to earn income from his work on traffic lights, his freedom of occupational speech.
    William Mellor and Dick M. Carpenter II, the Institute for Justice’s founding general counsel and director of strategic research, respectively, have recently published a book, “Bottleneckers,” about people like the officious nuisances on the Oregon board. The book defines a bottlenecker as “a person who advocates for the creation or perpetuation of government regulation, particularly an occupational license, to restrict entry into his or her occupation, thereby accruing an economic advantage without providing a benefit to consumers.”. . .
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    Re: Stupid Over-Regulation in Oregon

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    He can certainly come here and discuss a public issue regarding medicine. The engineer in the OP article is doing nothing more than public discussion.
    I wasn't aware the State of Oregon regulates this website, isn't quite the same thing...

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