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    Re: Rob Quist Tops $5 Million in Donations in Montana Special Election

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    The Democratic governor won reelection last year
    Against the current GOP candidate Gianforte, who just wants to be a politician .
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    Re: Rob Quist Tops $5 Million in Donations in Montana Special Election

    Quote Originally Posted by Winston View Post
    You still have to tell people the truth, and the truth is fracking is damaging our planet. And it needs to stop. I believe you can create support in states that frack because people see first-hand the damage fracking does.

    In a primarily red state, they have been brainwashed by Koch money to disbelieve in climate change, so maybe try out a new messaging strategy, by using words like "energy independence". When you really mean alternative energy.
    Ok, here's the thing with this message. It's running into the same problems Marxism did with the proletariat. It's presuming that the collective self-identity is wrong and with the right group of folks (like a Vanguard of some sort), you could "wake" them up and they will have the "correct" understanding of what is happening to them. It comes across as condescending.

    It's not going to work, and certainly not going to work in a decade-long quest to improve the Democratic Party's standings in red America.
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    Re: Rob Quist Tops $5 Million in Donations in Montana Special Election

    Quote Originally Posted by Winston View Post
    Well, Bernie has been stumping for him. I haven't seen any polling or anything. But, IMO, this is kind of a referendum on Bernism, and if Quist wins, it's a huge recommendation and a signal to the DNC (Who has been no help.) That Bernie is stronger than the mighty national party. And if it's a loss, could diminish Bernie's standing. It will be an interesting race.

    One thing I'd like to comment on is.. if Quist wins, I predict it's a huge positive boon for progressives on the national scene, it's a blow to Trump, a recommendation of Bernie and Quist, and the mainstream media will be completely silent. Because they have a memo on their desk in the morning that reads: Destroy Bernie Sanders.
    Did you just say that the DNC hasn't given Quist any money or help ?
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    Re: Rob Quist Tops $5 Million in Donations in Montana Special Election

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    Did you just say that the DNC hasn't given Quist any money or help ?
    Yeah, they haven't have they?
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    It could add fuel to the leftwing attacks on cops that was started by obama when he was president
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    The headline says he resigned, however, he was essentially fired. Michael Bolton needs to bring in his people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    Ok, here's the thing with this message. It's running into the same problems Marxism did with the proletariat. It's presuming that the collective self-identity is wrong and with the right group of folks (like a Vanguard of some sort), you could "wake" them up and they will have the "correct" understanding of what is happening to them. It comes across as condescending.

    It's not going to work, and certainly not going to work in a decade-long quest to improve the Democratic Party's standings in red America.
    If people never see any bad effects. But, if peoples drinking water is impacted by fracking, you can bet that will spread like gossip. I do have faith it can work in rural states. I think that's a winning component of a Democratic message. It's an area where Republicans are vulnerable.

    I don't think Democrats aren't supposed to talk about certain ideas that have truth and validity because it might hurt someone's feelings.
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    It could add fuel to the leftwing attacks on cops that was started by obama when he was president
    Quote Originally Posted by Bucky View Post
    The headline says he resigned, however, he was essentially fired. Michael Bolton needs to bring in his people.

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    Re: Rob Quist Tops $5 Million in Donations in Montana Special Election

    Quote Originally Posted by Winston View Post
    If people never see any bad effects. But, if peoples drinking water is impacted by fracking, you can bet that will spread like gossip. I do have faith it can work in rural states. I think that's a winning component of a Democratic message. It's an area where Republicans are vulnerable.

    I don't think Democrats aren't supposed to talk about certain ideas that have truth and validity because it might hurt someone's feelings.
    What I am trying to say is that absent an event like Flint, you're not going to get converts. The Democratic Party's Obama-Clinton-Warren-Sanders paradigm has really alienated rural America. Energy policy is one of the big reasons.

    This just seems like a clueless strategy for rural voters that was conceptualized and plays leagues better in coastal, urban areas.
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    Re: Rob Quist Tops $5 Million in Donations in Montana Special Election

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    What I am trying to say is that absent an event like Flint, you're not going to get converts. The Democratic Party's Obama-Clinton-Warren-Sanders paradigm has really alienated rural America. Energy policy is one of the big reasons.

    This just seems like a clueless strategy for rural voters that was conceptualized and plays leagues better in coastal, urban areas.
    If you pitch energy policy as a couple things:

    • Pro-Growth
    • Job Creation
    • Energy Independence
    • Reduction in monthly energy bills
    • Cleaner, safer


    Providing you can actually back up creating jobs in the alternative energy sector. If you can't then you're just going to piss everybody off by lying to them.
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    It could add fuel to the leftwing attacks on cops that was started by obama when he was president
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    The headline says he resigned, however, he was essentially fired. Michael Bolton needs to bring in his people.

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    Re: Rob Quist Tops $5 Million in Donations in Montana Special Election

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    What I am trying to say is that absent an event like Flint, you're not going to get converts. The Democratic Party's Obama-Clinton-Warren-Sanders paradigm has really alienated rural America. Energy policy is one of the big reasons.

    This just seems like a clueless strategy for rural voters that was conceptualized and plays leagues better in coastal, urban areas.
    Although you may just want to beat up relentlessly on the AHCA.
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    It could add fuel to the leftwing attacks on cops that was started by obama when he was president
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    The headline says he resigned, however, he was essentially fired. Michael Bolton needs to bring in his people.

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    Re: Rob Quist Tops $5 Million in Donations in Montana Special Election

    Quote Originally Posted by Winston View Post
    Although you may just want to beat up relentlessly on the AHCA.
    Do that.

    Although alternative energy has a lot of job potential that will keep expanding hereafter, it's not delivering the same sort of dramatic changes in state economies that the oil booms do. To rural America, it's this thing that has some benefits, maybe, but it's not helping me put food on the table, it's not causing infrastructure growth, etc etc. All that remains is some abstract promise that doing such and such will help climate writ large, eventually, and climate does not mean localization. It comes across as a problem for the well-to-do to worry about.
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    Re: Rob Quist Tops $5 Million in Donations in Montana Special Election

    Civil, informed debate. Where am I? Did I click something?

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