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Rob Quist Tops $5 Million in Donations in Montana Special Election

Winston said:
If people never see any bad effects. But, if peoples drinking water is impacted by fracking, you can bet that will spread like gossip. I do have faith it can work in rural states. I think that's a winning component of a Democratic message. It's an area where Republicans are vulnerable.

I don't think Democrats aren't supposed to talk about certain ideas that have truth and validity because it might hurt someone's feelings.
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What I am trying to say is that absent an event like Flint, you're not going to get converts. The Democratic Party's Obama-Clinton-Warren-Sanders paradigm has really alienated rural America. Energy policy is one of the big reasons.

This just seems like a clueless strategy for rural voters that was conceptualized and plays leagues better in coastal, urban areas.
 
Fiddytree said:
What I am trying to say is that absent an event like Flint, you're not going to get converts. The Democratic Party's Obama-Clinton-Warren-Sanders paradigm has really alienated rural America. Energy policy is one of the big reasons.

This just seems like a clueless strategy for rural voters that was conceptualized and plays leagues better in coastal, urban areas.
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If you pitch energy policy as a couple things:

  • Pro-Growth
  • Job Creation
  • Energy Independence
  • Reduction in monthly energy bills
  • Cleaner, safer

Providing you can actually back up creating jobs in the alternative energy sector. If you can't then you're just going to piss everybody off by lying to them.
 
Fiddytree said:
What I am trying to say is that absent an event like Flint, you're not going to get converts. The Democratic Party's Obama-Clinton-Warren-Sanders paradigm has really alienated rural America. Energy policy is one of the big reasons.

This just seems like a clueless strategy for rural voters that was conceptualized and plays leagues better in coastal, urban areas.
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Although you may just want to beat up relentlessly on the AHCA.
 
Winston said:
Although you may just want to beat up relentlessly on the AHCA.
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Do that.

Although alternative energy has a lot of job potential that will keep expanding hereafter, it's not delivering the same sort of dramatic changes in state economies that the oil booms do. To rural America, it's this thing that has some benefits, maybe, but it's not helping me put food on the table, it's not causing infrastructure growth, etc etc. All that remains is some abstract promise that doing such and such will help climate writ large, eventually, and climate does not mean localization. It comes across as a problem for the well-to-do to worry about.
 
Civil, informed debate. Where am I? Did I click something?
 
Winston said:
Yeah, they haven't have they?
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DCCC and others; I rushed this for; type in usnpl to get newspaper listings; click on Montana; then click on the Mussoulian; for Bernie with Quist
 
Winston said:
Yeah, they haven't have they?
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They were in Butte also; which has a different article; Billings is also carrying it; he's in Bozeman tomorrow
 
NIMBY said:
They were in Butte also; which has a different article; Billings is also carrying it; he's in Bozeman tomorrow
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What cities does the CD span?
 
Winston said:
What cities does the CD span?
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All of them--Montana only has one CD--thus the term at large--Montana lost its 2nd CD in 1990 but may get it back in 2020--over 500,000 people voted in this CD last year, 200,000 more than the USA average.

therefore 3 electoral votes and an outsized influence in the EC that DEMs were complaining about last year .
 
NIMBY said:
All of them--Montana only has one CD--thus the term at large--Montana lost its 2nd CD in 1990 but may get it back in 2020--over 500,000 people voted in this CD last year, 200,000 more than the USA average.

therefore 3 electoral votes and an outsized influence in the EC that DEMs were complaining about last year .
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They send 1 rep to congress?
 
Fiddytree said:
Yup.

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No wonder the whole state has been talking about the election.. They're electing their one guy, lol.
 
Winston said:
They send 1 rep to congress?
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YES--1 rep and 2 senators, as with ND, SD, WY, AK, DE and VT; 2020 projections show RI dropping from 2 to 1 rep, WV from 3 to 2; lots of changes next decade but not as many as previous ones;

It's interesting to go back to the 1824 POTUS election, the first popular vote one, and trace the electoral college through 2016, 49 elections ;
 
Winston said:
No wonder the whole state has been talking about the election.. They're electing their one guy, lol.
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Welcome to rural America. ;)

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Fiddytree said:
Do that.

Although alternative energy has a lot of job potential that will keep expanding hereafter, it's not delivering the same sort of dramatic changes in state economies that the oil booms do. To rural America, it's this thing that has some benefits, maybe, but it's not helping me put food on the table, it's not causing infrastructure growth, etc etc. All that remains is some abstract promise that doing such and such will help climate writ large, eventually, and climate does not mean localization. It comes across as a problem for the well-to-do to worry about.
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What about a public works program?
 
Winchester said:
Can't avoid it. The Democrats somehow got ahold of my cell phone number... Jesus Christ, I'll be glad after tomorrow.
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Hello Mr. Winchester,

Are you aware of the upcoming election?
 
Winston said:
Montana's beautiful. Harsh winters. But, amazing place for outdoorsmen.

Long story short.. Quist is the underdog. He's a very liberal Democrat. They're smearing his opponent as trying to "buy Montana". Because his opponent is very wealthy. And moved to Montana from NJ after selling his company. I think Quist has momentum.. but, he is still considered a longshot candidate. His policies are very much in line with a progressive platform. He's for single-payer healthcare. And I view this as a test for progressives. To see if you progressives can win a seat that had historically gone to conservatives. The seat up for grabs is Ryan Zinke's who is now our Interior Secretary.
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No, his opponent moved to MT, built a company here and then sold it to Oracle. IMO Quist's biggest problem (other than being a liberal Democrat in this state) is that he ordered non essential excavation work from a local contractor without the ability to pay for it and w/o making arrangements with the guy beforehand. You want to turn off a bunch of voters, do that. Gianforte's biggest problem is overcoming his rich out of stater who wants to close off access to public lands perception.

Personally I predict Gianforte is going to win by 8-10%. If Quist hadn't screwed over that contractor and came out with a very strong 2A stance I'd say he'd squeak by like our incumbent governor did in the general election.
 
Winston said:
Hello Mr. Winchester,

Are you aware of the upcoming election?
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I already voted in it a couple weeks ago with a mail in ballot, as long as we certify every two years they'll mail em to us.

Edit: and oh, I could start a moderate sized bonfire with the amount of campaign mailings I've received.
 
Winston said:
If we can get him within the margin of error and Dems need to GOTV on Election Day, we could pull off an upset. I know you are moderate but it's still a blow to Trumpism.
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Don't expect this election to be a bellwether on Trumpism, I know the national media wants to make it out to be that way, but the individual candidate matters more than party.
 
NIMBY said:
GOP corporate oligarchy money is well beyond what we grassroots DEM supporters have given.

I've given to Quist twice, how about you ?
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Ahh, you're one of those people funding the texters/phone callers and cluttering up my mailbox... a pox on you. :2razz:
 
Winchester said:
Don't expect this election to be a bellwether on Trumpism, I know the national media wants to make it out to be that way, but the individual candidate matters more than party.
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I agree. Do you like Quist?
 
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Winchester said:
No, his opponent moved to MT, built a company here and then sold it to Oracle. IMO Quist's biggest problem (other than being a liberal Democrat in this state) is that he ordered non essential excavation work from a local contractor without the ability to pay for it and w/o making arrangements with the guy beforehand. You want to turn off a bunch of voters, do that. Gianforte's biggest problem is overcoming his rich out of stater who wants to close off access to public lands perception.

Personally I predict Gianforte is going to win by 8-10%. If Quist hadn't screwed over that contractor and came out with a very strong 2A stance I'd say he'd squeak by like our incumbent governor did in the general election.
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Did you hear about the body slam?
 
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