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THE UNKNOWNS: LA To Bury 1,430 Unclaimed Dead Bodies In Mass Grave...

I think it's important, Orly, to take a look back at where this thread started, the argument put forth by you, and where things stand now.

You started out with the claim that these unidentified remains were the remains of illegals...

Orly? said:
If you didn't gather up a bunch of "unknowns", you wouldn't be having to bury them in mass graves..

They would have been buried by their families back home if you didn't lure them to the LAND OF THE FREEstuff..
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You were challenged to back up that claim with evidence. Thus far you have failed to do so. You did manage this...

Orly? said:
I have made my argument in this thread..

Obvious is obvious..

I know how you will deny all fact continuing your rhetoric and I will have no part of being trolled by it..
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...which is NOT evidence. It's merely a declaration of belief without any factual support.


From that argument, you morphed into this...

Orly? said:
Becuase Illegal Immigrants Treated Better Than Homeless in US?

Illegal Immigrants Treated Better Than Homeless in US - Breitbart
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How illegals in this country are treated compared to the homeless has nothing to do with whether or not the unidentified bodies in question were the bodies of illegals. It's merely a diversionary tactic to draw attention away from the fact that you STILL have not provided any evidence what-so-ever to prove your original claim.


From there, you morphed, yet again, into some sort of braggadocio about the current political makeup of the nation...

Orly? said:
We don't have the presidency, the house, the senate, vast majority of state govs and legislators.. It's all just a figment of my imagination..

We are sooo weak..
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Again... this has absolutely NOTHING to do with the original claim that the unidentified bodies in question were the bodies of illegal immigrants.



What you have done, unwittingly, in this thread is to provide a cautionary tale of what happens when someone intellectually unarmed and without any supporting evidence decides to engage in a debate. The fact that you actually believe that you "won" is comedy gold.
 
Jack Fabulous said:
I think it's important, Orly, to take a look back at where this thread started, the argument put forth by you, and where things stand now.

You started out with the claim that these unidentified remains were the remains of illegals...



You were challenged to back up that claim with evidence. Thus far you have failed to do so. You did manage this...



...which is NOT evidence. It's merely a declaration of belief without any factual support.


From that argument, you morphed into this...



How illegals in this country are treated compared to the homeless has nothing to do with whether or not the unidentified bodies in question were the bodies of illegals. It's merely a diversionary tactic to draw attention away from the fact that you STILL have not provided any evidence what-so-ever to prove your original claim.


From there, you morphed, yet again, into some sort of braggadocio about the current political makeup of the nation...



Again... this has absolutely NOTHING to do with the original claim that the unidentified bodies in question were the bodies of illegal immigrants.



What you have done, unwittingly, in this thread is to provide a cautionary tale of what happens when someone intellectually unarmed and without any supporting evidence decides to engage in a debate. The fact that you actually believe that you "won" is comedy gold.
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Is that why they all shut up and scurried away?

It seems you missed a large chunk of this thread.. Especially a link to LATimes themselves talking about all the "unknown" dead bodies they have that are all illegal immigrants..

"Again... this has absolutely NOTHING to do with the original claim that the unidentified bodies in question were the bodies of illegal immigrants. "
Has a heck of a lot to do with the post I quoted though doesn't it?

"What you have done, unwittingly, in this thread is to provide a cautionary tale of what happens when someone intellectually unarmed and without any supporting evidence decides to engage in a debate."

Nice try guy..
 
Orly? said:
Is that why they all shut up and scurried away?

It seems you missed a large chunk of this thread.. Especially a link to LATimes themselves talking about all the "unknown" dead bodies they have that are all illegal immigrants..
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Your response is to cite an LA Times article, this one=> Remains of hundreds of unidentified immigrants are buried in Imperial County cemetery - LA Times

...which is a story about illegals in unmarked graves and has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with the unidentified bodies referenced in the OP? Really? This is your rebuttal?

My assessment stands.

You've done nothing in this thread but to provide a cautionary tale, you have no supporting evidence, you don't seem to understand what supporting evidence actually is, and you seem to be intellectually ill-equipped to be participating in debates like this in the first place.
 
Jack Fabulous said:
a story about illegals in unmarked graves and has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with the unidentified bodies referenced in the OP?
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A story about unknown illegals in a mass grave in california has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with story about unknowns in a mass grave in california?

Really? This is your rebuttal?
 
Orly? said:
A story about unknown illegals in a mass grave in california has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with story about unknowns in a mass grave in california?

Really? This is your rebuttal?
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First of all, the "unknowns" from the OP are not currently in a mass grave. Second, the "unknowns" from the LA Times article were suspected illegals already buried. This would imply that somebody who knew them buried them, unlike the "unknowns" from the OP who were not buried but found dead and unattended.

You honestly can't put together by yourself that these are two completely unrelated circumstances?
 
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PeteEU said:
It is a horse**** story designed for miss-information.

1) Homeless are... homeless and mostly unregistered. Both sides of the political sphere give a rats ass about them, as they have no address and dont vote (if they even can.. dont most states require an address to even vote?). They would rather send the police after them and set up anti-homeless devices to move them away from their fancy buildings (/wave Trump), than actually set up a government agency with funds to deal with the problem.

2) The article states... "illegals that were apprehended", hence they are in the system that is set up to deal with them.

So we are talking about 2 totally different situations, and Briebart is abusing this to push an xenophobic rhetoric that is utter bull****. He is trying to say, that the money that the US is using for these apprehended illegals, should be used on the homeless.. and THAT is utter horse****, because no party, and especially the GOP, has ever remotely made any moves towards doing that. So how can it be taking ressource away from homeless Americans that politicians dont give a damn about and dont spend much to deal with in the first place?

How should America treat the apprehended illegals? Death camps? Throw them in cardboard boxes under a highway overpass.. that would make it similar to the homeless.. is that what you want your government to do?

So this story is another typical Briebart bull**** propaganda crap.
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I agree that the story is pretty stupid in lots of ways, but inadvertently, it proves my position correct in the sense that it shows that illegal immigrants, who would be in the system, would be FAR less likely to be "unknowns", demonstrating that Orly doesn't know what he's talking about. As usual.
 
Orly? said:
Correctly identifying the root cause is not celebrating..
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Since you haven't done that. all you are really doing is demonstrating your dishonest hackery. Good job.
 
Orly? said:
A story about unknown illegals in a mass grave in california has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with story about unknowns in a mass grave in california?

Really? This is your rebuttal?
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See, I was going to continue to demonstrate just how badly you got skewered in this thread, but I see that Jack already did so. You have yet to prove that the "unknowns" in the article in the OP are illegals. You have also yet to prove that it is more likely that they COULD be illegals as opposed to being homeless. In fact, the article that you first posted, demonstrates that it is LESS likely that they could be illegals as opposed to being the homeless. In this thread, you are an excellent example of what happens when someone argues from a single track, rigid, partisan agenda instead of looking at things more critically.
 
CaptainCourtesy said:
I agree that the story is pretty stupid in lots of ways, but inadvertently, it proves my position correct in the sense that it shows that illegal immigrants, who would be in the system, would be FAR less likely to be "unknowns", demonstrating that Orly doesn't know what he's talking about. As usual.
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Depends on what "unknowns" are... and then again. If you are in the system, illegal or not, then you are not unknown. Your body might not be claimed if you die, but you are not unknown. Now saying that, there is often no different between unknown or unclaimed bodies and how they are buried.

Now the unknown ones, might be mostly illegals.. I am guessing it depends on the district/county. For example a county bordering the border... most likely, where as Portland not so much.
 
I can't imagine dying and not having any friends or family claim my ashes. That is sad that this happens to so many people. I bet there are people that wonder what happened to "Old Joe" that have no idea that their remains are sitting in the morgue.
 
Without getting too off topic like it seems

I personally find this to be completely tragic and very sad.

How a visitor to a city might be murdered, get sick and die, and no one claim their body and bury them with love and reverence on a personal level.
Someone could cough their life away in a dank alley, and not be known or even found for days.
This is why some people are called FOOLS for clinging to a religion.
FOOLS Hoping one day they may know love again.
If not here, then somewhere else.
I find it hard to fault them for that hope.
 
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