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California Progressives seek to provide more rewards to illegal aliens

Kal'Stang said:
Really? Tell that to all those people that broke the law, served their time, and still have limited Rights.

And its not "equally under the law". Its equality under the law. Getting tired of seeing people pronounce this wrong. :roll:
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Amen! When someone has paid his or her debt to society, then he or she should - with a couple caveats - be allowed to be truly free once more, with all the rights and privileges that an American citizen should have. The caveats are, of course, when it comes to child predators and the like, for whom the recidivism rate is so high.
 
ocean515 said:
Democrats push to extend health, legal rights to immigrants

SACRAMENTO, Calif. (AP) — Responding to federal inaction over immigration reform, California Democrats on Tuesday announced a package of 10 bills that would extend health care, legal rights and business protection to immigrants who are illegally living in the state.

Assembly Speaker Toni Atkins, D-San Diego, and Senate President Pro Tem Kevin de Leon, D-Los Angeles, led the majority party's push to expand health coverage to all Californians, regardless of their immigration status, although they are not proposing any funding to pay for the extensions.

"Today we remind the rest of the nation that California is different," de Leon said at a news conference in Sacramento attended by immigrant-rights advocates and families with members in the country illegally.

Democrats who control the governor's office and both chambers of the Legislature have said they want to find ways for immigrants to come out of the state's economic shadows. The 10 bills were previously introduced, but they were touted Tuesday by supporters for advancing immigrants' rights.
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Perfect. Now California can run out of water and go bankrupt at the same time!
 
ocean515 said:
Should California Progressives in control of the government be rewarding illegal aliens at the expense of US citizens living in the state?
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They most certainly should not.

Giving such aid and comfort to invading foreign criminals, against the interest of the American people, is treason, as defined in Article III, Section 3 of the Constitution.

Further, acting against the clear interests of those that these public servants were elected to represent is malfeasance.

But this is California, where our State government has become a caricature of the corruption that infests our government to a lesser degree everywhere else in the nation.
 
ocean515 said:
I remain amazed that the cast offs of Progressives in the Black and other minority communities haven't raised up to fight back against this new oppression by them. One would think the generations of broken promises would be enough.
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Unfortunately, it seems that the people of this state have lost any vestige of control over our State government, and most don't even care any more. Every so often, our government sinks to some new low, that previously had never been anticipated, and I think that maybe this will wake up the people of this state and get them to do something, but it never does.
 
iguanaman said:
Those "illegals" have been rewarding the State for many years (20 or more in some cases) with cheap labor. It is about time they got something back.
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First off, no need for quotations, illegal immigrants are here illegally and that's that.

Second off they are not rewarding the state in any way that legal immigrants or guest workers could not.
 
Kal'Stang said:
Considering the big ado about Arizona trying to usurp government power of immigration I see this as no different. In fact it goes AGAINST Federal law by essentially making illegal aliens legal in the state of California. Which they do not have the power to do. Only the Feds have that power.
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The feds don't have that power, either. Not legitimately. In fact, the feds have a specific Constitutional duty to defend the nation against such invaders.
 
Thread synopsis:

Humans upset over human attempt to increase humane treatment of humans.
 
ocean515 said:
Of course not, because as the Senate President stated, California is different.

Because it is run by Progressives, it gets to establish for example, it's own environmental laws citizens in other states have to live by. Establishing it's own immigration laws shouldn't be a big surprise, nor should the lack of response from Washington.
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I don't have to live by Califs environmental laws, what law of CA am I living under?
 
ocean515 said:
LOL

Complete fantasy. They have been costing taxpayers billions every year. Sorry, but the lies about illegals benefiting California are well known. They only fly among those who don't care about those who have been most seriously impacted by the illegals.
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Any evidence for this? Sounds like BS.
 
Bob Blaylock said:
The feds don't have that power, either. Not legitimately. In fact, the feds have a specific Constitutional duty to defend the nation against such invaders.
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Invaders? You know who the real invaders were? The founders, when they slaughtered native american's and reduced them to virtually nothing, They aren't invading us... Jesus.
 
Unrepresented said:
Thread synopsis:

Humans upset over human attempt to increase humane treatment of humans.
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Well when you view it that way I guess you really will never see another side of the issue
 
Dovkan said:
Invaders? You know who the real invaders were? The founders, when they slaughtered native american's and reduced them to virtually nothing, They aren't invading us... Jesus.
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And nearly all if the illegal immigrants are descendants of people who slaughtered native peoples too
 
Dovkan said:
Invaders? You know who the real invaders were? The founders, when they slaughtered native american's and reduced them to virtually nothing, They aren't invading us... Jesus.
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At the time, of course, the natives had no legal system that regulated immigration, and no means to enforce any such regulations; and look what happened to them

Do we really want the same thing to happen to us? As a nation, we have the means to prevent our society from suffering the same fate as those who occupied this land before we did; but currently, we don't seem to have the will to do so.
 
Bob Blaylock said:
The feds don't have that power, either. Not legitimately. In fact, the feds have a specific Constitutional duty to defend the nation against such invaders.
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Invaders? They've been invited and welcomed with open arms.
They come because people give them jobs and pay them money. What would you say is the best way to stop them coming?
 
Grand Mal said:
Invaders? They've been invited and welcomed with open arms.
They come because people give them jobs and pay them money. What would you say is the best way to stop them coming?
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Now, now, you know that isn't so.

There's billions being spent on border patrol people, you can see them locally from mountaintops. You can watch them stand on guard against maple syrup from Point Roberts to The Soo....and God help any Canadian who wanders into all that high tech savagery.

But you see the difference is Canadians don't work cheap and usually all we want is to deliver thew high grade BC Bud they so cherish, a public service.

So that's why the president says "I can't build moats an alligators"....they work cheap and have no marijuana...that equals "desirable alien"
 
Fearandloathing said:
Now, now, you know that isn't so.

There's billions being spent on border patrol people, you can see them locally from mountaintops. You can watch them stand on guard against maple syrup from Point Roberts to The Soo....and God help any Canadian who wanders into all that high tech savagery.

But you see the difference is Canadians don't work cheap and usually all we want is to deliver thew high grade BC Bud they so cherish, a public service.

So that's why the president says "I can't build moats an alligators"....they work cheap and have no marijuana...that equals "desirable alien"
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It's all a sham. Fences, moats, militia and border patrol, throwing money at a problem so your seen to be doing something about it. People will always find a way and the ones who want them to know that. If a few big farmers and golf-course operators and hotel owners do some federal time and have big money taken away from them, they'll all stop employing illegals and the problem will go away- as in move to somewhere else. But nooo, those are the people who donate to political parties and the whole illegal immigration thing has become an industry that must grow, not shrink and disappear.
And don't tell them, but a lot of bud goes south on the low road and gets to Loch Lomond first. You can move anything through those tunnels, in either direction.
 
Grand Mal said:
It's all a sham. Fences, moats, militia and border patrol, throwing money at a problem so your seen to be doing something about it. People will always find a way and the ones who want them to know that. If a few big farmers and golf-course operators and hotel owners do some federal time and have big money taken away from them, they'll all stop employing illegals and the problem will go away- as in move to somewhere else. But nooo, those are the people who donate to political parties and the whole illegal immigration thing has become an industry that must grow, not shrink and disappear.
And don't tell them, but a lot of bud goes south on the low road and gets to Loch Lomond first. You can move anything through those tunnels, in either direction.
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One of my favorite comics, George Carlin once said if you really wanted to ed the drug trade you shouldn't execute drug dealers (this was in the 80s when the Feds brought back the federal death penalty exclusively or drug related deaths) you should execute the bankers who launder the money and the drug trade would screech to a halt....
 
Fearandloathing said:
Now, now, you know that isn't so.

There's billions being spent on border patrol people, you can see them locally from mountaintops. You can watch them stand on guard against maple syrup from Point Roberts to The Soo....and God help any Canadian who wanders into all that high tech savagery.

But you see the difference is Canadians don't work cheap and usually all we want is to deliver thew high grade BC Bud they so cherish, a public service.

So that's why the president says "I can't build moats an alligators"....they work cheap and have no marijuana...that equals "desirable alien"
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I'm surprised the Canadians haven't set up a system where you have to register your vehicles gas gauge before coming back into canada from PR, there seems to be a 1 to 1 ratio of ppl to gas stations in that place, prices in cents per liter of course
 
EMNofSeattle said:
I don't have to live by Califs environmental laws, what law of CA am I living under?
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The cars you get to buy, along with the prices you have to pay. The appliances you get to buy, along with the prices you have to pay. The California Air Resources Board has set demands on manufacturers that you get to pay for.
 
ocean515 said:
The cars you get to buy, along with the prices you have to pay. The appliances you get to buy, along with the prices you have to pay. The California Air Resources Board has set demands on manufacturers that you get to pay for.
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That's manufacturers looking to sell to California's market. A car company in Kansas can tell CARB to go to hell but then they couldn't sell their cars in the countries largest market.

So they make all their products compliant. Works for me. I save money on energy and we have clean air here in the pacific NW because our cars are CARB rates and we use the CA summer gas
 
EMNofSeattle said:
That's manufacturers looking to sell to California's market. A car company in Kansas can tell CARB to go to hell but then they couldn't sell their cars in the countries largest market.

So they make all their products compliant. Works for me. I save money on energy and we have clean air here in the pacific NW because our cars are CARB rates and we use the CA summer gas
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Sure they can. But then reality strikes. Given the size of California's market, they aren't going to make two different kinds of cars.

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Actually I think California might be on to something here. We know that socialism only works until you run out of other people's money and that states can't print their own. But the federal government can, and California is TBTF. So when they go broke the federal government will bail them out. In short they are living on Daddy's credit card that their brothers and sisters will have to make the payments on. $18trillion is beyond repayable, there is not enough money in circulation to fill that hole. The message from the federal government is that you can have whatever you want because the money isn't real anyway. The states should push off as much as they can from the federal goverment. Collect assets paid for by federal dollars, accelerate it until the dollar crashes. Reagan spent the Soviet Union in to bankruptcy. States can not secede (apparently), but they can crash the federal currency and then create their own.
 
EMNofSeattle said:
That's manufacturers looking to sell to California's market. A car company in Kansas can tell CARB to go to hell but then they couldn't sell their cars in the countries largest market.

So they make all their products compliant. Works for me. I save money on energy and we have clean air here in the pacific NW because our cars are CARB rates and we use the CA summer gas
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The air will be pristine once all the businesses and jobs shut down. It's like shutting off the jet engines at 30,000 feet to cut down on noise.
 
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