ISIS Fighters Struggling to Find Jobs in Sweden

truthatallcost · Jul 16, 2017

Jihadis returning to their home countries in Europe are now finding out the hard way, and many cannot get a job as they try to reintegrate into western society.

Swedish daily newspaper Expressen interviewed former jihadis about life after ISIS and they discussed the challenges of finding work. As many as 150 have returned to the Scandinavian country to try and rebuild their lives.

Returning fighters are a problem across the West—security services in Europe and the U.S. are concerned that their nationals will return home to carry out attacks as ISIS's caliphate continues to crumble in Iraq and Syria.

More than half of Britain's 800 foreign fighters have returned home. For the U.S., only a few have returned home with a much lower travel rate to Syria and Iraq. Former FBI Director James Comey said in 2016 that just 250 Americans had attempted to go or have gone to Syria. Almost 7,000 have traveled to Iraq and Syria as a whole from the West.

ISIS Members From Europe Can't Get Jobs When They Return Home

Gee, I can only guess how this will end. Another Hebdo-styled attack? ISIS cells springing up in Europe and the United States? We've all heard that it's our fault for not helping 'disenfranchised' religious fanatics feel comfortable in the West, and that we're to blame when they turn murderous.

For those unfamiliar with ISIS; they've raped and murdered Americans and Europeans in the middle east. Now they're returning 'home' to the USA and Europe.

Praxas · Jul 16, 2017

truthatallcost said:
Gee, I can only guess how this will end. Another Hebdo-styled attack? ISIS cells springing up in Europe and the United States? We've all heard that it's our fault for not helping 'disenfranchised' religious fanatics feel comfortable in the West, and that we're to blame when they turn murderous.

For those unfamiliar with ISIS; they've raped and murdered Americans and Europeans in the middle east. Now they're returning 'home' to the USA and Europe.

How could they return home in the US with a travel ban and our "bigly" trump vetting process? Do tell.

coldjoint · Jul 16, 2017

Praxas said:
How could they return home in the US with a travel ban and our "bigly" trump vetting process? Do tell.

If they have relatives here some could certainly slip through.

Praxas · Jul 16, 2017

coldjoint said:
If they have relatives here some could certainly slip through.

Impossible, that's what trumps "bigly" vetting process is supposed to solve. So again with the best, bigliest, and greatest vetting process (according to trumps promises) how can that happen ? You mean trump can't protect the country after all?

I mean the source just announced ISIS fighters are returning to the US. How can they know but not the people trump put in charge to protect us?

coldjoint · Jul 16, 2017

Praxas said:
Impossible, that's what trumps "bigly" vetting process is supposed to solve. So again with the best, bigliest, and greatest vetting process (according to trumps promises) how can that happen ? You mean trump can't protect the country after all?

I mean the source just announced ISIS fighters are returning to the US. How can they know but not the people trump put in charge to protect us?

It is near impossible to stop terror as we have seen, I see someone trying, and I like it.

truthatallcost · Jul 17, 2017

Praxas said:
How could they return home in the US with a travel ban and our "bigly" trump vetting process? Do tell.

Then you're admitting Trump's travel ban will indeed keep us safer than we'd be without it. That's progress.

matchlight · Jul 17, 2017

Considering what the world has learned about the barbarism of ISIS savages, whose violence consists largely of war crimes even more sadistic and revolting than those the Nazis committed, the very idea of letting anyone who took part in that group's violence or abetted it in any way go free is shocking. Any nation worth its salt would round up these persons--every last damned one of them--and try them as war criminals. They should not even be thinking about getting a job. They should be thinking instead about long prison terms, or in some cases about being marched onto a gallows. It seems they are being treated as no more than a lot of bohemian expatriates, returning home from some foreign lark. That is accommodation of evil so lily-livered it would have shamed Stanley Baldwin--still more of the weakness toward Islamic jihadism that various European nations have been showing for years.

HonestJoe · Jul 17, 2017

truthatallcost said:
Gee, I can only guess how this will end. Another Hebdo-styled attack? ISIS cells springing up in Europe and the United States? We've all heard that it's our fault for not helping 'disenfranchised' religious fanatics feel comfortable in the West, and that we're to blame when they turn murderous.

If we know something is likely to happen but chose to do nothing about it, don’t we share some responsibility for it?

All you seem interested in is who to blame but that doesn’t really make any difference. There’s a very real issue here and we need to do something about it. These people exist and are actually all sorts of different people from the hardened religious extremists though to the naive young idiots they conned. If we don’t do anything about them at all, the kinds of consequences are likely in some cases and that applies whether they return here or stay aboard. I mean, what do you think should be done about gang members or just normal criminals who have a change of heart and want to go straight? Beyond the emotion and politics, is this really any different?

holbritter · Jul 17, 2017

Are you kidding me? Are we now supposed to feel sorry for them? I don't care what your circumstances were, you freaking know the difference between right and wrong. You join ISIS, you deserve what you get. Actually you deserve worse. Die.

truthatallcost · Jul 17, 2017

HonestJoe said:
If we know something is likely to happen but chose to do nothing about it, don’t we share some responsibility for it?

What are you referring to? 'We' have no ability to keep Isis out of Europe and the US, that's government's job.

All you seem interested in is who to blame but that doesn’t really make any difference. There’s a very real issue here and we need to do something about it. These people exist and are actually all sorts of different people from the hardened religious extremists though to the naive young idiots they conned. If we don’t do anything about them at all, the kinds of consequences are likely in some cases and that applies whether they return here or stay aboard. I mean, what do you think should be done about gang members or just normal criminals who have a change of heart and want to go straight? Beyond the emotion and politics, is this really any different?

The West has been sold lie after lie concerning migration from Muslim countries. I'm interested in illustrating the many lies we've been made to believe and suffer the consequences of. If you feel obliged to help ISIS members who've killed strangers and done many atrocious activities then I would ask you how you're going to do it. And if you're willing to have ISIS members as neighbors, or roommates. Hosting them in your home would certainly convince me that you're serious about what you wrote here, and not merely offering the helping hand of others.

Praxas · Jul 17, 2017

truthatallcost said:
Then you're admitting Trump's travel ban will indeed keep us safer than we'd be without it. That's progress.

Not according to coldjoint, he says you can't stop terror so maybe you trump suppters should have a netting to get your stories straight huh?

And if his ban is working why are sources saying the fighters are returning home to the us?

RetiredUSN · Jul 17, 2017

Praxas said:
Not according to coldjoint, he says you can't stop terror so maybe you trump suppters should have a netting to get your stories straight huh?

And if his ban is working why are sources saying the fighters are returning home to the us?

Are you going to be the one who revokes their citizenship? If not, then they have every right to return to the states. What happens after is up to the legal system.....not Praxas.

Praxas · Jul 17, 2017

RetiredUSN said:
Are you going to be the one who revokes their citizenship? If not, then they have every right to return to the states. What happens after is up to the legal system.....not Praxas.

If they are known ISIS fighters they can be arrested can they not? What a silly comment from you.

Tigerace117 · Jul 17, 2017

matchlight said:
Considering what the world has learned about the barbarism of ISIS savages, whose violence consists largely of war crimes even more sadistic and revolting than those the Nazis committed, the very idea of letting anyone who took part in that group's violence or abetted it in any way go free is shocking. Any nation worth its salt would round up these persons--every last damned one of them--and try them as war criminals. They should not even be thinking about getting a job. They should be thinking instead about long prison terms, or in some cases about being marched onto a gallows. It seems they are being treated as no more than a lot of bohemian expatriates, returning home from some foreign lark. That is accommodation of evil so lily-livered it would have shamed Stanley Baldwin--still more of the weakness toward Islamic jihadism that various European nations have been showing for years.

Trying to say ISIS is worse than the Nazis is, frankly, incorrect. They are a garden variety bunch of thugs who are good at flashy PR and literally nothing else, including combat. Part of the reason the Nazis were such a threat is that there was a very real chance they could have pulled off a conquest of Europe. Nobody sane thinks ISIS could do the same.

truthatallcost · Jul 17, 2017

Praxas said:
Not according to coldjoint, he says you can't stop terror so maybe you trump suppters should have a netting to get your stories straight huh?

Well Bush said 'its almost impossible to defend the homeland' after allowing 9/11 to happen. Trump is hopefully going to be a better President than Bush.

And if his ban is working why are sources saying the fighters are returning home to the us?

They're sneaking across the Mexico border to sell oranges on freeway off ramps. They wear sombreros but don't eat the oranges, they're grenades painted orange!

HonestJoe · Jul 17, 2017

truthatallcost said:
What are you referring to? 'We' have no ability to keep Isis out of Europe and the US, that's government's job.

Governments work for the people, they (are meant to) do what we want them to. I don’t think it’s legitimate to wash your hands of a problem like this on the basis of it being “the government’s job” and it also doesn’t put you in a very strong position if you ever want to complain about what the government chooses to do about it (which I’ve no doubt you do

).

truthatallcost said:
The West has been sold lie after lie concerning migration from Muslim countries.

This isn’t about migration, it’s about native citizens returning. If you’re going to complain about lies, you’d do well to keep to the facts yourself.

truthatallcost said:
If you feel obliged to help ISIS members who've killed strangers and done many atrocious activities then I would ask you how you're going to do it.

The ones who have actually killed people should be dealt with as the killers they are but I very much doubt all of the returning people have do so. There’s also complications. Some of them fought for other rebel groups against ISIS or other less extreme (though not entirely innocent) groups such as some of the Kurdish fighters. Some will have entirely denounced the extremist views while others will still feel the same way.

Ultimately though, we’re looking at the same criminal justice and public safety questions that can come up regarding so many people. Clearly if someone can be proven to have committed criminal offences, they can and should be dealt with by the courts but even those who would be imprisoned as a consequence aren’t going to be locked up for life. Something has to be done to deal with these people and doing some of the things which you might dismiss as being too “nice” to them could actually prevent the extreme consequences you talk about in the first place.
It’s not that I feel obliged to help (certainly not all of them anyway) but as you pointed out, doing nothing could lead to tragedy. You seem keen to ask me what I’d do yet you’re offering no solutions of your own (not even irrational fantasy ones).

truthatallcost said:
And if you're willing to have ISIS members as neighbors, or roommates. Hosting them in your home would certainly convince me that you're serious about what you wrote here, and not merely offering the helping hand of others.

It honestly depends on the individuals. There are plenty of people who haven’t fought for ISIS I wouldn’t like living anywhere near me but I’m sure some who have fought for ISIS I could be relatively conformable with.

Chagos · Jul 17, 2017

What's with the confusions and conflations here?

The cited article, NOT TO MENTION THE THREAD TITLE, clearly refers primarily to Sweden in particular, touching upon Europe in general and mentioning the US as a side note of relative insignificance to the problems it lists.

Now we're on Trump's travel ban and migration, where the issue clearly addresses people RETURNING HOME with those people being NATIONALS OF THE COUNTRIES THEY'RE RETURNING TO.

If this thread is to serve as general refusal to any immigration from Muslim countries so as to keep out the eevull Muslims, maybe a bit of honesty would have served it by darn well saying so.

Instead of dishonestly standing the article cited in the OP on its head to create a topic that it has nothing to do with anyway.

Maybe one of these days somebody will simply create a thread that clearly states "I don't want filthy furriners allowed into my country and especially no stinking Muslims". Without citing some totally unrelated issue (and article) as an excuse to go a-ranting over where the primary interests really lie.

Talk about hypocrisy and its more cowardly version at that.:roll:

RetiredUSN · Jul 17, 2017

Praxas said:
If they are known ISIS fighters they can be arrested can they not? What a silly comment from you.

LOL.... I think I mentioned the legal system.

matchlight · Jul 17, 2017

Tigerace117 said:
Trying to say ISIS is worse than the Nazis is, frankly, incorrect. They are a garden variety bunch of thugs who are good at flashy PR and literally nothing else, including combat. Part of the reason the Nazis were such a threat is that there was a very real chance they could have pulled off a conquest of Europe. Nobody sane thinks ISIS could do the same.

Frankly, you are arguing with yourself. I never even implied that ISIS was as great a threat to the world as Nazi Germany--that notion is laughable. What I said was that the war crimes that ISIS jihadists commit--burying and burning people alive, decapitating children, and so on--are "even more sadistic and revolting than those the Nazis committed." I stand by that statement.

Tigerace117 · Jul 17, 2017

matchlight said:
Frankly, you are arguing with yourself. I never even implied that ISIS was as great a threat to the world as Nazi Germany--that notion is laughable. What I said was that the war crimes that ISIS jihadists commit--burying and burning people alive, decapitating children, and so on--are "even more sadistic and revolting than those the Nazis committed." I stand by that statement.

You said their war crimes were worse than what the Nazis committed. This is untrue. Obviously they've committed a **** ton of horrific crimes and should be expunged from the face of the earth, but nothing they've done can hold a candle to the atrocities committed by Nazi Germany.