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Supporting the war on terror

Dittohead not! said:
Sorry, I must not have made myself clear.

If it's OK to blow up a car containing suspected ISIS leaders in the Middle East, then it should be OK to blow up a car containing Crips leaders in the USA. If innocent bystanders in the Middle East are simply acceptable collateral damage, then the same is true of any innocent bystanders in the USA.

Therefore, if we're going to fight ISIS or AlQaeda, or the Taliban, or any such group by using drones and rockets, it should be OK to fight Crips, Bloods, F 14ers, MS 13ers and others of their ilk in the same way.
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The major difference is we have a govrrnment in control that does not need to blow up a car in Compton. We have cops that can just pull them over. Not so in Yemen.
 
Oozlefinch said:
Nope. Posse Comitatus pure and simple.
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Now, that makes no sense at all. It has nothing at all to do with conscripting anyone to do anything. It has to do with the idea that what is acceptable to do in foreign nations is acceptable to do here in the USA as well.
 
Bodhisattva said:
The major difference is we have a govrrnment in control that does not need to blow up a car in Compton. We have cops that can just pull them over. Not so in Yemen.
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Then why is there so much gang activity? I'm not so sure that the cops in Compton or in Oakland or anywhere else are able to stop gangs.
 
Dittohead not! said:
Now, that makes no sense at all. It has nothing at all to do with conscripting anyone to do anything. It has to do with the idea that what is acceptable to do in foreign nations is acceptable to do here in the USA as well.
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What?

Come on now, I know you are able to research better than that bro.

Whenever discussing Posse Comitatus and the military (not Law Enforcement), it should be obvious that the discussion revolves around the Posse Comitatus Act of 1878 (amended in 1956).

Here is the exact wording:

From and after the passage of this act it shall not be lawful to employ any part of the Army of the United States, as a posse comitatus, or otherwise, for the purpose of executing the laws, except in such cases and under such circumstances as such employment of said force may be expressly authorized by the Constitution or by act of Congress ; and no money appropriated by this act shall be used to pay any of the expenses incurred in the employment of any troops in violation of this section and any person willfully violating the provisions of this section shall be deemed guilty of a misdemeanor and on conviction thereof shall be punished by fine not exceeding ten thousand dollars or imprisonment not exceeding two years or by both such fine and imprisonment.
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In short, it makes it illegal for the US Army and Army Reserve (in 1956 amended to include the Air Force and Air Force Reserve) top operate in any kind of law enforcement capacity without specific authorization from Congress. This for example is when during the Civil Rights Era and the unrest of the 1960's, it was the Army National Guard that was called up, not the Army or Army Reserve.

Now if you want what you are talking about, that is actually fairly easy. Just get the Governor of a state to call up his or her own National Guard, and put them on the street. But you ain't getting the Army or Air Force to do it, against the law.
 
Dittohead not! said:
Then why is there so much gang activity? I'm not so sure that the cops in Compton or in Oakland or anywhere else are able to stop gangs.
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Because we dont really care about stopping gangs or drugs... if we cared like we cared about ISIS the Cripps... Bloods... MS13... and all the rest would be dead rotting mother****ers.

Exactly. If it's OK there, then it's OK here. Let's go and blow up a few gang bangers
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Fine by me....
 
Dittohead not! said:
Now, that makes no sense at all. It has nothing at all to do with conscripting anyone to do anything. It has to do with the idea that what is acceptable to do in foreign nations is acceptable to do here in the USA as well.
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Many in the military do not really understand the principles of Posse Comitatus, nor the reason the Act was passed after the Civil War.
 
Dittohead not! said:
Then why is there so much gang activity? I'm not so sure that the cops in Compton or in Oakland or anywhere else are able to stop gangs.
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They have not been able to stop gangs, not even since "West Side Story" romanticized the phenomenon.

As long as the drug black market exists, street gangs and the CIA will be able to enrichen themselves, and they will.

But it's a nice "dog & pony show" to tell to the media, "We're fighting gangs" (but we will allow the black market to thrive for them)
 
Oozlefinch said:
What?

Come on now, I know you are able to research better than that bro.

Whenever discussing Posse Comitatus and the military (not Law Enforcement), it should be obvious that the discussion revolves around the Posse Comitatus Act of 1878 (amended in 1956).

Here is the exact wording:



In short, it makes it illegal for the US Army and Army Reserve (in 1956 amended to include the Air Force and Air Force Reserve) top operate in any kind of law enforcement capacity without specific authorization from Congress. This for example is when during the Civil Rights Era and the unrest of the 1960's, it was the Army National Guard that was called up, not the Army or Army Reserve.

Now if you want what you are talking about, that is actually fairly easy. Just get the Governor of a state to call up his or her own National Guard, and put them on the street. But you ain't getting the Army or Air Force to do it, against the law.
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Unless authorized by an act of Congress. Easy peasy, just get Congress to act.
 
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