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A380 in trouble

I have to wonder how Airbus can expect huge sales volumes when they build something that can land at only a dozen or so airports on the planet.
 
I've flown on most of the jumbo jets competing with each other. I've been on Singapore Airline's A380 and Air Canada's Boeing 777-300ER and the 787. I didn't dislike the A380, it was super massive but it flew smoothly. I wonder what their issue is with it.
 
Glen Contrarian said:
Good news for Boeing!
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Not really

The 747 is most likely going out of production soon.

The market for jumbo airplanes is drying up due to cost per Mile per passenger being higher then the likes of the 787.
 
digsbe said:
I've flown on most of the jumbo jets competing with each other. I've been on Singapore Airline's A380 and Air Canada's Boeing 777-300ER and the 787. I didn't dislike the A380, it was super massive but it flew smoothly. I wonder what their issue is with it.
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Higher costs per passenger then the 787. Having 4 engines burns more fuel then just two.

Most likely they will be changed to cargo jets
 
Lord Tammerlain said:
Not really

The 747 is most likely going out of production soon.

The market for jumbo airplanes is drying up due to cost per Mile per passenger being higher then the likes of the 787.
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Boeing knew at least a decade ago that their market for the 747 was going to dry up - which is why they went the route of the 787 in the first place. The A380 was a huge gamble for Airbus - they decided to go the superjumbo route, whereas Boeing decided to go for increased efficiency...and I think we can see which was the more prudent route.
 
digsbe said:
I've flown on most of the jumbo jets competing with each other. I've been on Singapore Airline's A380 and Air Canada's Boeing 777-300ER and the 787. I didn't dislike the A380, it was super massive but it flew smoothly. I wonder what their issue is with it.
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These things are usually about costs, capacities etc. If one has to decide between a point to point flight and doing a stopover most people will opt for the direct connection. But I think that breakeven was reached, so it could be worse.
 
Lord Tammerlain said:
Not really

The 747 is most likely going out of production soon.

The market for jumbo airplanes is drying up due to cost per Mile per passenger being higher then the likes of the 787.
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I am curious as how one does not perceive this as good news for Boeing. Not that I totally agree exactly other than our company made the right decision in not building a supersonic airlinerer or a double deck cruise ship. Airbus is still infected with government bureaucracy and we are a 100% capitalistic institution, so there is that.. .and THAT to my mind makes me proud.
Nevertheless, using the demise of any four engine aircraft (the 747) as proof of anything sad going on in this industry is way behind the curve. We were going to lose the 747 twenty years ago but orders kept popping up. The latest orders are from an "unknown" nation seeking $1.5 billion of them and the Feds seeking two new Air Force One's. If you want to know exactly which nation is still wanting new 747s I can ask around.

Also note that Iran is going to be shipping their large fleet of old 747s back to Bellingham for a compete retrofit of avionics, engines, and interiors which is more profitable than building and selling new planes.

So anyway the 380 along with the fire in the instrument bay of Egypt Air 804 (bad bad news for Airbus) put us in a good place.

I hope this helps you to understand that we are in very good shape and that the 747 is not dead until the dirt is shoveled.
 
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Lord Tammerlain said:
Higher costs per passenger then the 787. Having 4 engines burns more fuel then just two.

Most likely they will be changed to cargo jets
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and... ummmm.. FedEx and UPS don't care about higher costs per pound?
 
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Ooops.. double post
 
Also Russia's Volga-Dnepr Group, a freight liner, ordered 20 new 747s last June according to Aviation week.
 
Curious thread placement, considering the military does not use the 380 and it has no particular role in the WOT :confused:
 
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