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Wasp spray used as alternative meth, contributed to three overdoses

Renae

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When you flood a small, economically damaged state with enough pills for California you end up creating a lot of addicts. Joke about it all you want but it isn't so funny in person.
 
When you flood a small, economically damaged state with enough pills for California you end up creating a lot of addicts. Joke about it all you want but it isn't so funny in person.

Meth not opiates.

The highs are different and I expect the addicts are different, end results the same
 
When you flood a small, economically damaged state with enough pills for California you end up creating a lot of addicts. Joke about it all you want but it isn't so funny in person.

I am not sure how to address your post without seeming to be callous. I was raised to be very careful as far as what I ingested. I have tried my share of controlled substances. I have also had more than my share of surgical procedures that came with opioids for pain management. At what point does personal responsibility come in? I see that you are located in West Virginia. Do the individuals not bear some responsibility?
 
Guess it won't be long before you have to show ID to buy wasp spray?
 
I am not sure how to address your post without seeming to be callous. I was raised to be very careful as far as what I ingested. I have tried my share of controlled substances. I have also had more than my share of surgical procedures that came with opioids for pain management. At what point does personal responsibility come in? I see that you are located in West Virginia. Do the individuals not bear some responsibility?

What if you weren't raised the way you were? Of course personal responsibility comes into play with things like rehab for example. The way this crisis came about was not because of a lack of self control or some sort of moral failing on the part of tens of thousands of people. It happened because of a combination of economic failure, predatory pharmaceutical companies, and broken families. That isn't true in every case but it is in most cases. The good news is that there are things that seem to be working and they don't involve invoking Darwin. I'm not trying to get too serious, because I understand the thread is more of a point your finger and life type of thing, but imagine how desperate these people are.
 
Meth not opiates.

The highs are different and I expect the addicts are different, end results the same

I guess it could depend on where you are. Most addicts around here take whatever they can get.
 
You toss some cans of bug spray in LA's Skid Row, and they'll be empty by midnight.

I don't see this as a personal responsibility thing. It's an actively trying to harm yourself thing.

How and why a person gets to that point is the true problem, and that's complicated, and we are failing at all levels to address it. Easier just to say our new national motto "**** you, I got mine" and write them off as bad meat.

I've heard it suggested it's because we ran out of frontiers. There's no obvious place for a person desperate to make a new life for themselves to go, and that's a relatively new situation in the U.S.
 
What if you weren't raised the way you were? Of course personal responsibility comes into play with things like rehab for example. The way this crisis came about was not because of a lack of self control or some sort of moral failing on the part of tens of thousands of people. It happened because of a combination of economic failure, predatory pharmaceutical companies, and broken families. That isn't true in every case but it is in most cases. The good news is that there are things that seem to be working and they don't involve invoking Darwin. I'm not trying to get too serious, because I understand the thread is more of a point your finger and life type of thing, but imagine how desperate these people are.
Like everyone else in America, I know a little about addiction & recovery. And I can assure you this: No one beats addiction by blaming others. Addiction starts & ends with the individual and the way they think.

Your post feeds a victim narrative, and quite honestly it's my belief that Trump feeds on this. I've heard West Virginians claim they've been waiting "x amount of years for the mines to reopen". Where x is at times 7-8-9 years! My God! Why would someone say that, and admit they put their life on hold for the better part of a decade - rather than move-on and better themselves and the lives of their families?

I'm not going to paint West Virginians with a wide brush, even though you seem to have by claiming, "What if you were raised the way we were?".

Quite honestly, I can't even begin to relate to that statement.

My family on both sides left Europe when Hitler made it a hell-hole. When the first country they went to didn't work out, they came here (America). And they did well. Over my life I've changed occupations several times as employment segments rose & fell, and I even did a geographic move to follow the money & opportunity. If there's life components in my life that aren't conducive to my financial success and ability to support my family, I exorcise them in a heartbeat! And that goes for the place I live. Then again, I refuse to live anywhere that has social or economic problems. Why waste my time, and the welfare of my wife & kids?
 
Gives new meaning to the word "buzz". :lol:
 
Like everyone else in America, I know a little about addiction & recovery. And I can assure you this: No one beats addiction by blaming others. Addiction starts & ends with the individual and the way they think.

Your post feeds a victim narrative, and quite honestly it's my belief that Trump feeds on this. I've heard West Virginians claim they've been waiting "x amount of years for the mines to reopen". Where x is at times 7-8-9 years! My God! Why would someone say that, and admit they put their life on hold for the better part of a decade - rather than move-on and better themselves and the lives of their families?

I'm not going to paint West Virginians with a wide brush, even though you seem to have by claiming, "What if you were raised the way we were?".

Quite honestly, I can't even begin to relate to that statement.

My family on both sides left Europe when Hitler made it a hell-hole. When the first country they went to didn't work out, they came here (America). And they did well. Over my life I've changed occupations several times as employment segments rose & fell, and I even did a geographic move to follow the money & opportunity. If there's life components in my life that aren't conducive to my financial success and ability to support my family, I exorcise them in a heartbeat! And that goes for the place I live. Then again, I refuse to live anywhere that has social or economic problems. Why waste my time, and the welfare of my wife & kids?

I was responding to a comment where a poster claimed that they were raised in such a way that led them to moderate their own usage of things like opioids. It was instilled in them largely by their upbringing. I also wrote that personal responsibility plays a part in rehab which should address your claim that I am simply viewing addicts as victims. I think that victimization, due largely to corporate predation, is very real and my state is a good example of that. I understand that addicts have a responsibility to complete rehabilitation and fight to stay clean. Like many people in our country I know, and am personally close to, recovering addicts. They believe in personal strength in the recovery process as well.

Your last comment about moving away from areas with problems is something that happens here all of the time. Young people leave this state regularly. The only answer I can give you as to why I have decided to plant my flag in this state is because I can drive just two hours a way and walk the same trails my great great grandfather did. I have an attachment to the physical state itself which inspires me to want better for the future. That may seem stupid to you, but I think it's a pretty common feeling here. I have a belief that businesses should be held accountable for polluting the water, the air, and the soil. They should also be held accountable for flooding small areas with millions of highly addictive pills.
 
Sorry it took awhile to get back to this, my friend:

I was responding to a comment where a poster claimed that they were raised in such a way that led them to moderate their own usage of things like opioids. It was instilled in them largely by their upbringing. I also wrote that personal responsibility plays a part in rehab which should address your claim that I am simply viewing addicts as victims. I think that victimization, due largely to corporate predation, is very real and my state is a good example of that. I understand that addicts have a responsibility to complete rehabilitation and fight to stay clean. Like many people in our country I know, and am personally close to, recovering addicts. They believe in personal strength in the recovery process as well.
Well then, it sounds like we both have some experience in addiction & recovery. I'm not going to deny that substance abuse at its entry level is a learned behaviour, nor will I deny one's environment can have some influence on one's predilection to substance use & abuse.

But yeah, to overcome addiction requires one to take responsibility for their actions completely, and use brutal honesty with themselves.

Your last comment about moving away from areas with problems is something that happens here all of the time. Young people leave this state regularly. The only answer I can give you as to why I have decided to plant my flag in this state is because I can drive just two hours a way and walk the same trails my great great grandfather did. I have an attachment to the physical state itself which inspires me to want better for the future. That may seem stupid to you, but I think it's a pretty common feeling here. I have a belief that businesses should be held accountable for polluting the water, the air, and the soil. They should also be held accountable for flooding small areas with millions of highly addictive pills.
Yeah, I can understand. I was very much an old school "neighborhood guy", in a very large northern city where I had three generations of family. Unfortunately the neighborhood went into total decline, and like my grandfather before me leaving Europe, I had to move for the betterment of my wife & young family.

Trust me, I shed tears when I left my old neighborhood; actual tears for my family that had gone before me that were not with me now. I knew I was leaving the physically tangible things of my memories of them, and those tangibilities would now be gone from my life. It was hard.

But I did it as my grandfather before me, and I never regretted the decision. My moving gave me kids a great life, and I can see that in my kids' successes, and in who they've become as persons as they enter young adulthood. I always put family first. And as I married and had a family of my own, I put my own new family that my wife & I formed as first amongst my larger family. I came to realize my putting them first was a maturing & growing process in my life, and my responsibility to them was greater & higher than my love of my old neighborhood & the friends and family there.

It sounds like you and I have the same feelings about family, and have had good grandfathers in our lives that we want to keep alive in our memories. I commend that, and can say that I'm only the man I am because of the love & guidance of a good father and having had good grandfathers and uncles that kept me on the right path! I don't know if you have your own family & kids, nor do you need to share that. But once that happens (marriage), things change. Your highest calling then becomes your new family and their well being. And in my case, as much as I love & respect my larger family, I put all my energies & efforts into providing the best I can for my now wife & kids. It's not even close. So if I'm living in a place or situation that is detrimental to them, I'm outta' there!

Gotta' roll with the changes ...

(Anyway, thanks for the reply)
 
i suppose that they'll be putting wasp spray on the "kick in the door and shoot my dog" signup list. as for WISHTV, they lost their CBS affiliate. i miss the Mike Ahern and Debbie Knox days, though i think that Knox is still there.
 
Guess it won't be long before you have to show ID to buy wasp spray?

Some self defense experts have advocated wasp spray in areas where it is illegal to carry pepper spray, mace or handguns.
 
Reminds me of that story about Japanese kids sticking air hoses up their asses for a high.
 
I am not sure how to address your post without seeming to be callous. I was raised to be very careful as far as what I ingested. I have tried my share of controlled substances. I have also had more than my share of surgical procedures that came with opioids for pain management. At what point does personal responsibility come in? I see that you are located in West Virginia. Do the individuals not bear some responsibility?

I totally agree. I find it hard to be sympathetic for someone who decides to ruin their own body with drugs, cigarettes or alcohol. We have to stop blaming everyone else and start taking responsibility for our own actions. Taking drugs, smoking, alcohol, gambling is not a disease, it’s a choice.
 
I totally agree. I find it hard to be sympathetic for someone who decides to ruin their own body with drugs, cigarettes or alcohol. We have to stop blaming everyone else and start taking responsibility for our own actions. Taking drugs, smoking, alcohol, gambling is not a disease, it’s a choice.

At first. But in total, no. It's more of a choice that turns into a disease at varying rates depending on genetics.



We already tried the pure "just blame them" approach. We tried it for thousands of years. Did it work? No, no it did not. Just like the "jail them AND blame them" did not work.

If you want to do something helpful about it - and you should, since there is collateral damage - you have to approach it for what it is.
 
When you flood a small, economically damaged state with enough pills for California you end up creating a lot of addicts. Joke about it all you want but it isn't so funny in person.

The solution is simple. Don't want to get addicted or OD? Then don't use. IMO, we should just legalize all of it and let the problem solve itself.
 
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