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    Re: Why recreational marijuana is dangerous

    Quote Originally Posted by Felis Leo View Post
    You appear to be confusing my position, which is social conservatism, with libertarianism, Grand Mal. And I am not a libertarian. As I see it, personal freedom is simply an open road by which people can travel to lead their best lives and achieve their greatest happiness. But freedom can only be enjoyed by men and women possessed of virtuous hearts and a capacity for self-restraint. I believe Benjamin Franklin said it best:

    “Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters.”

    I do not want to be anyone's master, Grand Mal. I want people to master themselves and free themselves of their most base desires, lest we fall into a collective dissolution and dissipation so terrible that people will beg for a tyranny to restore social order.
    This pretty talk is all nice and everything, but your actions speak louder than your words.

    One can equate their philosophy to freedom and small government until they're blue in the face, it doesn't change whatever the reality of their philosophy actually is. In your case you clearly do wish to be peoples master and have the government force choices they disagree with on them, that they clearly should be able to make for themselves.

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    Re: Why recreational marijuana is dangerous

    Quote Originally Posted by MovingPictures View Post
    So you broke the law you want everyone else to be arrested for.
    Quote me where I said marijuana should be illegal. I said it is dangerous and potentially harmful. Never did I saw we should make it illegal.
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    Re: Why recreational marijuana is dangerous

    Quote Originally Posted by Bucky View Post
    I think there needs to be a clear establishment that supporting medical marijuana is different than supporting recreational marijuana. Marijuana is a drug, it isn't candy. As more and more research is being done, higher-potency marijuana is potentially harmful to our mental health leading to paranoia, psychosis, and schizophrenia:



    https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/317170.php

    There is also possible evidence that marijuana can increase violence:





    https://www.motherjones.com/politics...tal-illness-1/

    Overall I think more research needs to be done. There is also not enough evidence that marijuana is more effective or less addictive as a pain killer than opiates.
    LOL You mean "Reefer Madness" is real? I want some of what you are smoking...
    You are right marijuana is not "candy" but neither is Beer. Wine and Whisky... drugs that do far more damage to peoples health and are legal. I think we need to regulate them more before we even bother with pot. We can ban bars that sell alcohol and replace them with weed clinics and we would see a drop in alcoholism in no time.

    The cost of excessive alcohol use in the U.S. rose to almost a quarter trillion dollars in 2010. Implementing effective community-based interventions can reduce excessive drinking and its costs.

    Excessive alcohol use is known to kill about 88,000 people in the United States each year, but a CDC study suggests it is also a drain on the American economy, mostly due to losses in workplace productivity.
    https://www.cdc.gov/features/costsofdrinking/index.html
    Last edited by iguanaman; 02-02-19 at 03:42 AM.
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    Re: Why recreational marijuana is dangerous

    Quote Originally Posted by Grand Mal View Post
    Ya know, that's so far off what you intended you probably wont believe it. A couple years ago my son and a half-dozen of his friends came up here to camp for a long weekend and they were stoned on acid for much of the time. I send him a supply of pot I've grown every year, and lately a batch of cookies made with pot butter.
    You guys know so little about this subject I wonder how you feel like you can speak about it.
    Maybe he gained his vast knowledge by attending DARE classes?

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    Re: Why recreational marijuana is dangerous

    Good news OP: no one will make you smoke MJ!

    Phew, that was a close one...

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    Re: Why recreational marijuana is dangerous

    Quote Originally Posted by MovingPictures View Post
    This pretty talk is all nice and everything, but your actions speak louder than your words.

    One can equate their philosophy to freedom and small government until they're blue in the face, it doesn't change whatever the reality of their philosophy actually is. In your case you clearly do wish to be peoples master and have the government force choices they disagree with on them, that they clearly should be able to make for themselves.
    And what are my actions, MovingPictures? I have not come to slap the joint from anyone's hands, or pass draconian Japanese/Korean-style legislation to criminalize the use and purchase of unprescribed narcotics and psychotropics (even if it would work in lowering the incidence of drug use). I am simply sitting and observing and giving my commentary, and I know I cannot save people from themselves. If people wish to lose themselves to drunkenness, gluttony, hedonism and other acts of personal dissolution (including taking psychotropic drugs that can increase the likelihood of onset of severe mental illness) there is little I can do to stop them other than to make sure that if they create externalities that harm others, that they are restrained and punished for them. If my judgment that people are engaging in what I can only describe as dissipative acts troubles you, let us have a discussion on that basis. If you are going to attack my position, attack me for what I have said, not what you imagine my ultimate goals to be.
    Last edited by Felis Leo; 02-02-19 at 10:55 AM.
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    Re: Why recreational marijuana is dangerous

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    LOL You mean "Reefer Madness" is real? I want some of what you are smoking...
    You are right marijuana is not "candy" but neither is Beer. Wine and Whisky... drugs that do far more damage to peoples health and are legal. I think we need to regulate them more before we even bother with pot. We can ban bars that sell alcohol and replace them with weed clinics and we would see a drop in alcoholism in no time.



    https://www.cdc.gov/features/costsofdrinking/index.html
    I am trying to put the facts back in focus. For decades the tobacco industry was lying to the public saying their products were safe. Are you denying that smoking cigarettes is dangerous?

    The marijuana industry is just a deceitful.
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    Re: Why recreational marijuana is dangerous

    Quote Originally Posted by Bucky View Post
    I think there needs to be a clear establishment that supporting medical marijuana is different than supporting recreational marijuana. Marijuana is a drug, it isn't candy. As more and more research is being done, higher-potency marijuana is potentially harmful to our mental health leading to paranoia, psychosis, and schizophrenia:



    https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/317170.php

    There is also possible evidence that marijuana can increase violence:





    https://www.motherjones.com/politics...tal-illness-1/

    Overall I think more research needs to be done. There is also not enough evidence that marijuana is more effective or less addictive as a pain killer than opiates.
    I would advise people who have a tendency to be paranoid to avoid cannabis, especially sativa dominant strains. Paranoia is a known undesirable side effect for some people. I've never heard of a violence connection, however, and the idea that someone who has a bad reaction to it would keep using it to the point of becoming schizo seems like alarmism.

    Do a little research:
    https://www.leafly.com/

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    Re: Why recreational marijuana is dangerous

    Quote Originally Posted by Bucky View Post
    I am trying to put the facts back in focus. For decades the tobacco industry was lying to the public saying their products were safe. Are you denying that smoking cigarettes is dangerous?

    The marijuana industry is just a deceitful.
    No they are not. Pot has been used for 1000's of years and it's health benefits are just becoming clear. It is excellent against pain and far safer than oxy's. No one has been more deceitful than our pharmaceutical corporations.
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    Re: Why recreational marijuana is dangerous

    Quote Originally Posted by Bucky View Post
    Question, If you have kids, or pretend you do have kids.

    Would you be okay if your kids smoked pot? Would you allow it in your household?
    You didn’t ask me but I’ll answer since I was having this conversation with my mom and my wife a few days ago.

    I have a 13 year old son. No, I don’t want him smoking weed anytime soon. However, if I found out he smoked weed on occasion once he is a grown man I couldn’t care less, though I couldn’t say the same if he were smoking tobacco as an adult.

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