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Why is Canada running out of marijuana?

Grand Mal said:
No, like I said Canada isn't running out of pot, just the legal outlets. The distribution system in place is hard to improve on and it's turning into a struggle for those who want to go the legal route to compete with, that's all.
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there's no Miller Light shortage. perhaps legalization models need to look to the alcohol industry. growing pot is a whole lot simpler than brewing beer properly.
 
Maybe we should invade. We can't let them smoke all the weed.
 
Mycroft said:
I don't know for sure the government is acting as the middle man, either...but the OP's article seems to indicate that it does.

As I pointed out in my first post: "Now, he has had staff refreshing the government supply website in the early hours to snap up scarce new stock as soon as it's available, and is considering restricting store hours. "

As far as whether your pot retailers are following the law or not, that sounds like another problem.
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Well, if they're having to buy pot at the retail price from the government website it's no wonder they're having problems. It might just be working out the wrinkles, or it might be that they thought growers would accept whatever they're offered for the sake of operating within the legal system but that's not going to happen. If I can sell my product into the black market system with no risk for, say, $1,000 a pound I'm sure not going to take less money and more hoops to jump through.
I'm here in this backwater at the production end of the supply chain and nothing has changed here. My son in the city says nothing has changed for him there either. He doesn't toke much and has had a card for a medical dispensary for a couple years but at $8/gram and having to go to the store, he'd rather just call up his guy who will deliver for $175/oz. He might consider ordering online but that still isn't an improvement on what's already in place.
 
Suburban Jedi said:
I lived in Edmonton, Alberta for two years. It was the longest decade of my life.

Maybe I should have started smoking weed...
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Alberta. 4,000,000 people who think the movie Easy Rider had a happy ending.
 
Helix said:
there's no Miller Light shortage. perhaps legalization models need to look to the alcohol industry. growing pot is a whole lot simpler than brewing beer properly.
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They're deluding themselves if they (the government I mean) think they can improve on a supply and distribution system that's evolved from a perfect capitalistic solution to the problem of supplying an agricultural product to city customers. They can't compete, the best course would be to forget all the over-regulation and just let the grass flow, hoping to skim off something in taxes.
 
Grand Mal said:
They're deluding themselves if they (the government I mean) think they can improve on a supply and distribution system that's evolved from a perfect capitalistic solution to the problem of supplying an agricultural product to city customers. They can't compete, the best course would be to forget all the over-regulation and just let the grass flow, hoping to skim off something in taxes.
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yep, i agree. be happy, though. it will probably take my state another ten years to legalize pot.
 
Helix said:
yep, i agree. be happy, though. it will probably take my state another ten years to legalize pot.
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I was wondering- if the fed gov't in the US decided to kill all the federal laws against pot, would each state still have the option of keeping the prohibition in place?
 
Jetboogieman said:
Both.

It's been legal now for a month and there still isn't a physical retailer within 100km of where I live.

But for those physical retailers that are open, in many parts of the country, they've got a massive shortage of stock, they're on partial hours or are simply closing:

https://globalnews.ca/news/4662574/legal-marijuana-canada-shortage-cannabis-producers/



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I feel for you, eh? <puff, cough, cough> Harsh toke for you guys. You can't swing a used bong without hitting a pot store in Washington State :)
 
lurchadams said:
I feel for you, eh? <puff, cough, cough> Harsh toke for you guys. You can't swing a used bong without hitting a pot store in Washington State :)
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True enough.

Only thing from what I understand though, those pot stores are a tough business because its still illegal at the Federal Level, they can't get business loans, business bank accounts, certain payment methods for customers aren't available because no company that operates nationally can risk doing business with them.

Not the case here, so there's a bit more to do when you're starting up here.
 
Jetboogieman said:
True enough.

Only thing from what I understand though, those pot stores are a tough business because its still illegal at the Federal Level, they can't get business loans, business bank accounts, certain payment methods for customers aren't available because no company that operates nationally can risk doing business with them.

Not the case here, so there's a bit more to do when you're starting up here.
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Well, something must've changed here recently because I saw some in WA are now taking debit and credit cards, which means they're being underwritten by some financial institutions).

Also, for such a "tough business" there sure seem to be a lot of people "taking a risk" :)

But don't listen to me, I'm stoned :)
 
Grand Mal said:
I was wondering- if the fed gov't in the US decided to kill all the federal laws against pot, would each state still have the option of keeping the prohibition in place?
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I think that it would work like dry counties.
 
Helix said:
I think that it would work like dry counties.
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That's still a thing, dry counties?
I have to admit I like these kinds of decisions being local. I've always thought law enforcement should reflect community standards and I like local governments, hopefully acting on the will of the people, being able to make decisions on things like drug laws and other social issues. If 70% of the voters in Fort Nelson, BC think pot shouldn't be legal, they shouldn't be forced to tolerate it because people in Ottawa think they should.
 
Grand Mal said:
That's still a thing, dry counties?
I have to admit I like these kinds of decisions being local. I've always thought law enforcement should reflect community standards and I like local governments, hopefully acting on the will of the people, being able to make decisions on things like drug laws and other social issues. If 70% of the voters in Fort Nelson, BC think pot shouldn't be legal, they shouldn't be forced to tolerate it because people in Ottawa think they should.
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It's still a thing as far as I know. I could be incorrect.
 
JacksinPA said:
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-46200873

Demand for legal cannabis is higher than expected in Canada

Cannabis retailers in Canada began to run low on supplies from the very first day of legalisation a month ago. How long are shortages expected to continue as the new market for recreational cannabis finds its feet?

In the early days of legalisation, James Burns was confident his company had enough product on the shelves of its five new cannabis retail stores, even though they only received half of their order from the provincial supplier.

Now, he has had staff refreshing the government supply website in the early hours to snap up scarce new stock as soon as it's available, and is considering restricting store hours.
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It's very difficult to plan for the future in an entirely new market.
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It's not really new, I had the same supply problem in the same business in the eighties...
 
SDET said:
It must be tough to cultivate "Colombian Gold" in the tundra.
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Nope, one variety that I used to love was called "northern lights", it was very comfortable in the northern hemisphere...
 
Mycroft said:
This part caught my attention:



The appears to mean that the government buys the product from the growers and then sells it to the retailers. Is this correct?

If it is, then there's the problem: Get the government out of the supply chain. The law of supply and demand will take care of the problem.

btw, I'm sure there are a number of American growers who would LOVE to get a piece of that Canadian action. It's probably too much to ask that Congress gets together with Canada to make that possible.
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I believe liquor (beer included) is has supply generally controlled by each province, in various methods of course. Alberta controls the distribution to private liquor stores, owning the distribution network. It uses the same method for pot, but also included an online store which it does not do for alcohol. We do not suffer from a lack of alcohol, it is expensve compared to the US however. Pot being new, and not fully accepted has been slow has been slow to get stores approved (local and provincial issues)

As for actual supply, no company wanted to invest huge amounts into the development of mass production when there still was a concern the approval would not go through. With the approval going ahead and demand being high, I expect Canadian producers will invest in production to more than meet demand. Most likely to become world leaders in the production process in ensuring consistent quality and strains of it
 
Helix said:
I think that it would work like dry counties.
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Grand Mal said:
That's still a thing, dry counties?
I have to admit I like these kinds of decisions being local. I've always thought law enforcement should reflect community standards and I like local governments, hopefully acting on the will of the people, being able to make decisions on things like drug laws and other social issues. If 70% of the voters in Fort Nelson, BC think pot shouldn't be legal, they shouldn't be forced to tolerate it because people in Ottawa think they should.
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Helix said:
It's still a thing as far as I know. I could be incorrect.
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It is still a thing in the US, mostly in the SE, and in Canada (rare outside of reserves)

I believe outside of reserves the possession is legal, but sale is illegal
 
As a pot smoker in BC, the website hasn't run out on me yet.

Local store hasn't opened, the nearest one is 6 hours away. So yeah, because of how few stores there are, they might run out. Everyone driving miles around to visit one.

But the website is fine.
 
ThoughtEx. said:
As a pot smoker in BC, the website hasn't run out on me yet.

Local store hasn't opened, the nearest one is 6 hours away. So yeah, because of how few stores there are, they might run out. Everyone driving miles around to visit one.

But the website is fine.
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What of the fabeled 'BC Bud'?
 
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