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Scientists identify 35 genes associated with cannabis use

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[h=2]Cannabis and schizophrenia[/h][FONT=&quot]The study also showed genetic overlap between cannabis use and the risk of schizophrenia. “That is not a big surprise, because previous studies have often shown that cannabis use and schizophrenia are associated with each other. However, we also studied whether this association is causal,” Vink said. “Our study showed that people with a vulnerability to develop schizophrenia are at increased risk of using cannabis.”[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]The researchers used an analysis technique called "Mendelian randomisation" to show a causal relationship between schizophrenia and an increased risk of cannabis use. This may indicate that people with schizophrenia use cannabis as a form of self-medication. However, the researchers cannot exclude a reverse cause-and-effect relationship, meaning that cannabis use could contribute to the risk of schizophrenia.[/FONT]
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https://www.ru.nl/english/news-agen...ntists-identify-35-genes-associated-cannabis/
 
Renae said:
https://www.ru.nl/english/news-agen...ntists-identify-35-genes-associated-cannabis/
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Typical propaganda scare piece. Thanks big pharma. Thanks big booze. Expect the rhetoric to intensify, as both of these industries feel the pinch of pot encroaching on both of their markets.

However, the researchers cannot exclude a reverse cause-and-effect relationship, meaning that cannabis use could contribute to the risk of schizophrenia
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Cannot exclude? Could contribute to the risk? lol... Well, I'm convinced. ;)
 
OlNate said:
Typical propaganda scare piece. Thanks big pharma. Thanks big booze. Expect the rhetoric to intensify, as both of these industries feel the pinch of pot encroaching on both of their markets.



Cannot exclude? Could contribute to the risk? lol... Well, I'm convinced. ;)
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Tobacco was the wonder drug, and good for you, everyone knew it.

Then it wasn't. MJ is the wonderdrug, everyone knows it...
Eventually it will get the tobacco treatment.
 
OlNate said:
Typical propaganda scare piece. Thanks big pharma. Thanks big booze. Expect the rhetoric to intensify, as both of these industries feel the pinch of pot encroaching on both of their markets.



Cannot exclude? Could contribute to the risk? lol... Well, I'm convinced. ;)
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:roll: "Big Pharma" has the most to gain from legalizing medical marijuana
 
Renae said:
Tobacco was the wonder drug, and good for you, everyone knew it.

Then it wasn't. MJ is the wonderdrug, everyone knows it...
Eventually it will get the tobacco treatment.
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It's been a Schedule 1 drug for decades, which means government has declared it without benefit and has subjected users and sellers to JAIL. That is still the case in Tennessee, although tobacco is freely available at any convenience store.

And I don't know of many people arguing MJ is a "wonder drug." My argument at least is by any account I've read, MJ does FAR less harm, orders of magnitude less, than the freely available alcohol and should be treated the same as alcohol - users can decide whether and how much to use.
 
Crovax said:
:roll: "Big Pharma" has the most to gain from legalizing medical marijuana
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lmao...sure. They stand to gain hugely when people can easily grow vast amounts of their own medicine.

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Renae said:
Tobacco was the wonder drug, and good for you, everyone knew it.

Then it wasn't. MJ is the wonderdrug, everyone knows it...
Eventually it will get the tobacco treatment.
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It's been documented as medicine for 5000+ years. When's that "eventually" coming, Renae? :)
 
Crovax said:
:roll: "Big Pharma" has the most to gain from legalizing medical marijuana
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From what I've seen, though, "Big Pharma" doesn't support legalizing medical marijuana, perhaps because legal MJ reduces several classes of prescriptions, especially including pain pills.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...hting-legal-marijuana/?utm_term=.9833a1d5d2d6

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OlNate said:
lmao...sure. They stand to gain hugely when people can easily grow vast amounts of their own medicine.

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Except that growing marijuana isnt easy will be vastly regulated and not to mention that smoking something isnt a healthy method of ingestion. It would be less than a decade when you are only allowed to use THC pills which of course would only be produced by big pharma
 
Crovax said:
Except that growing marijuana isnt easy will be vastly regulated and not to mention that smoking something isnt a healthy method of ingestion. It would be less than a decade when you are only allowed to use THC pills which of course would only be produced by big pharma
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Alright, bud. Let me help you out here. Clearly you need it.

1) Pot is exceptionally easy to grow. As Canada is legalizing federally in a few weeks, let's look to it as the model, where you are allowed to grow 4 plants per household. That could equate to 4lbs easily, if you have the slightest idea what you're doing, which would be more than enough for most people to make it through until the next 4 plants grow - even up here, where you can only grow outdoors from May to Oct. Growing indoors requires a little more setup, but once up and running it is very easy to maintain, and you can get at least 2 harvests in a year.

2) Smoking pot is old school. Sure, it does happen, but we are seeing much more interest in edibles, tinctures, drops, topical creams, condensed THC (oils / shatter / etc - you smoke FAR less to get same effect), and vaporizers, all of which do SIGNIFICANTLY less damage than smoking a joint. One would assume that part of the tax dollars gained from legal pot would go to educating users on healthier alternatives.

3) Regulations will not change in a decade to make people only able to get pot in pill form. Precedent: cigarettes. If the government can't get rid of those, they will not get rid of smoking pot flowers either.

The more you know, bud... ;) Gotta let go of that stigma, they have been lying to you.
 
Crovax said:
Except that growing marijuana isnt easy will be vastly regulated and not to mention that smoking something isnt a healthy method of ingestion. It would be less than a decade when you are only allowed to use THC pills which of course would only be produced by big pharma
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It is easy to grow, actually. I know some good old boys up near the GSMNP who grow their own on remote national park land - it's quite a hike in and out to their 'crop' but it works for them and has for many years. I expect that pot is still the biggest cash crop in Tennessee, and that's not because pot is particularly hard to grow, but because it's easy and can be done in small plots inside or outside by lots of people with only informal training.

And it's true that there is a risk Big Pharma somehow corruptly captures the market, but then you're opposed to a hypothetical instead of what we see in place right now. If we are as a society rational, it will be like beer and wine has been for a long time. People can grow their own for personal use, but not for resale - that is heavily regulated and taxed. Seems to work OK, lots of competitors, including recently lots of smaller competitors making craft beer, wine and liquor.

Besides, given the choice I'd rather have Big Pharma or Big Alcohol in charge than drug cartels and gangs.
 
Crovax said:
Except that growing marijuana isnt easy will be vastly regulated and not to mention that smoking something isnt a healthy method of ingestion. It would be less than a decade when you are only allowed to use THC pills which of course would only be produced by big pharma
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There are lots of other ways to take pot and it doesnt require Big Pharma to produce them.

Just step into any pot store and you'll see shelves full of alternatives and small businesses producing the products. There are some limits on how many plants you can grow in WA but nobody stops people from brewing their own beer, bottling their own wine, etc. It really only becomes an issue if they want to make it commercial. So I foresee people growing what they want or need...as long as they dont sell. Because those products are expensive (highly taxed).
 
OlNate said:
It's been documented as medicine for 5000+ years. When's that "eventually" coming, Renae? :)
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When the lawyers are ready for the payday. Figure someone will get sick, hire a lawyer, and we'll find out the MJ industry was hiding the negative impact of MJ...

Same **** that did in Tobacco
 
Renae said:
When the lawyers are ready for the payday. Figure someone will get sick, hire a lawyer, and we'll find out the MJ industry was hiding the negative impact of MJ...

Same **** that did in Tobacco
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Nah...I mean, first of all, no one is trying to hide the impacts of smoking the stuff...it's not good for your lungs, do it occasionally, and use healthier methods of ingestion if you need it regularly (medicinal applications). I quit smoking cigarettes and joints around the same time, moving towards vape and a vaporizer. The turnaround in my health has been amazing. No morning cough, no shortness of breath, no disgusting morning mouth that tastes like the bottom of a bird cage...

And anyway, how has tobacco been "done in"? I still see cigarettes everywhere...

I wish you wouldn't root so much for this to fail. I have anxiety, and cannot take prescription meds - I'm super sensitive to their side effects. I nearly lost everything. Pot has been the only thing that has worked (along with a lot of therapy), in giving me some semblance of a normal life. I'm sure you understand wishing for more support to make the decisions in life that are right for you, regardless of the attached stigma.
 
Renae said:
When the lawyers are ready for the payday. Figure someone will get sick, hire a lawyer, and we'll find out the MJ industry was hiding the negative impact of MJ...

Same **** that did in Tobacco
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50 yrs (conservative #) of millions of Americans using it...what exactly do you think is being hidden?

Anything abused can be harmful.
 
Renae said:
When the lawyers are ready for the payday. Figure someone will get sick, hire a lawyer, and we'll find out the MJ industry was hiding the negative impact of MJ...

Same **** that did in Tobacco
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It's a little different because what "did in" tobacco - got them sued - was lots of tobacco companies making false claims, and claims they knew to be false, to cigarette users and the public in general, along with burying and denying health risks, targeting minors, etc.

I don't see the MJ sellers making the same kind of claims, and there is lots of attention being paid in the public to the harmful effects of MJ use and abuse. Besides, if you're concerned about users the IMO better way to address the problem of people getting harmed for using MJ or its derivatives is public information, better information, informed consumers, informed parents. I don't see how keeping it underground and criminalizing the sale and use works BETTER than what we did with tobacco, which has always been legal and has been quickly going out of style in the U.S. because of a sustained information campaign about the dangers of smoking, and what we've done in some ways with alcohol, especially the dangers of driving drunk.

So I don't know what your suggestion is here. Keep it illegal? Legalize it but better education? Legalize it but regulate it heavily?
 
5 of me agree with this article, the other 6, not so much.
 
JasperL said:
It's a little different because what "did in" tobacco - got them sued - was lots of tobacco companies making false claims, and claims they knew to be false, to cigarette users and the public in general, along with burying and denying health risks, targeting minors, etc.

I don't see the MJ sellers making the same kind of claims, and there is lots of attention being paid in the public to the harmful effects of MJ use and abuse. Besides, if you're concerned about users the IMO better way to address the problem of people getting harmed for using MJ or its derivatives is public information, better information, informed consumers, informed parents. I don't see how keeping it underground and criminalizing the sale and use works BETTER than what we did with tobacco, which has always been legal and has been quickly going out of style in the U.S. because of a sustained information campaign about the dangers of smoking, and what we've done in some ways with alcohol, especially the dangers of driving drunk.

So I don't know what your suggestion is here. Keep it illegal? Legalize it but better education? Legalize it but regulate it heavily?
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The MJ Industry isn't consolidated enough, give a decade or so, the Marlboro and Winston's of MJ will emerge and the profitable margins to sue will be there. And we'll find out that much of the harmful truth about using that crap was hidden by the industry and figure about 2030 we'll see ads on MTV for "Don't smoke the dope" like you do now for cigarettes.
 
Renae said:
The MJ Industry isn't consolidated enough, give a decade or so, the Marlboro and Winston's of MJ will emerge and the profitable margins to sue will be there. And we'll find out that much of the harmful truth about using that crap was hidden by the industry and figure about 2030 we'll see ads on MTV for "Don't smoke the dope" like you do now for cigarettes.
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Still have to disagree... With the benefit of the experience with the tobacco market, pot producers will understand that they need to keep as much garbage out of their product as possible. Again, this has been a medicine for over 5000 years throughout the world, if there were associated dangers they would be known by now, and the drug would have been rejected. When establishing an industry, and investing in it heavily, wouldn't you think businesses would take the right steps to ensure their continuation by NOT loading it up with harmful chemicals, especially when the market is used to consuming it in it's natural form?

I have some concerns around some of the concentrates and oils...some of the methods used in prohibition era production were pretty gross. But with the freedom to experiment and find natural alternatives, I don't see why today's legal pot companies, under the watchful eye of government agencies tasked with successful legalization, couldn't make those safer as well.

Again, I wish you wouldn't root for this failure so much. What do you think it would take to make it work for someone like you, who clearly has concerns?
 
Renae said:
The MJ Industry isn't consolidated enough, give a decade or so, the Marlboro and Winston's of MJ will emerge and the profitable margins to sue will be there. And we'll find out that much of the harmful truth about using that crap was hidden by the industry and figure about 2030 we'll see ads on MTV for "Don't smoke the dope" like you do now for cigarettes.
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OK, I have no idea what you suggest here. You're basically objecting to your own hypothetical. Not much to work with there.
 
Renae said:
The MJ Industry isn't consolidated enough, give a decade or so, the Marlboro and Winston's of MJ will emerge and the profitable margins to sue will be there. And we'll find out that much of the harmful truth about using that crap was hidden by the industry and figure about 2030 we'll see ads on MTV for "Don't smoke the dope" like you do now for cigarettes.
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And it hasnt shown up already? After decades and decades? :doh
 
Renae said:
How many decades was Tobacco considered safe. Stop it.
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LOL the technology and the research on tobacco didnt exist at the turn of the century but people also knew for decades pre-70s that it was addictive and caused emphysema, cancer, etc. But Nothing was done about it. Smoking was very popular, it was a part of our culture. Fancy ashtrays were popular gifts for weddings :doh

We didnt have the corporate oversight that we did then.

OTOH, if we dont stay on top of it, I can see the pot industry deciding to try and make pot more addictive. They are already engineering more refined strains for different purposes like sleep, pain, recreation. I'm sure they're looking at ways to make it 'stronger.'

Many businesses grow to the point where they have to answer to shareholders, or just want to make more profits...and ethics go out the window. We know now...we can oversee the pot industry, as we have done to the tobacco industry.
 
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