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Schumer introduces bill to federally decriminalize marijuana

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https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/28/politics/schumer-bill-decriminalize-marijuana/index.html

Washington (CNN)Sen. Chuck Schumer has introduced a new bill to decriminalize and regulate marijuana at the federal level.

The legislation, which the New York Democrat announced back in April, would remove marijuana from the Controlled Substances Act, where it is classified among drugs such as heroin and LSD.

By striking marijuana from the act, Schumer's office said in a news release Wednesday, the bill would effectively decriminalize the drug at the federal level. The measure would still allow states to determine their own marijuana laws while maintaining federal law enforcement against trafficking to states where it is illegal.
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I'm not pro-pot because I observed first hand how continued heavy use can mess up your judgement & send you on expensive tangents. And the stuff today is so much stronger than the stuff I smoked 40 years ago that I find it to be a danger.
 
JacksinPA said:
https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/28/politics/schumer-bill-decriminalize-marijuana/index.html

Washington (CNN)Sen. Chuck Schumer has introduced a new bill to decriminalize and regulate marijuana at the federal level.

The legislation, which the New York Democrat announced back in April, would remove marijuana from the Controlled Substances Act, where it is classified among drugs such as heroin and LSD.

By striking marijuana from the act, Schumer's office said in a news release Wednesday, the bill would effectively decriminalize the drug at the federal level. The measure would still allow states to determine their own marijuana laws while maintaining federal law enforcement against trafficking to states where it is illegal.
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I'm not pro-pot because I observed first hand how continued heavy use can mess up your judgement & send you on expensive tangents. And the stuff today is so much stronger than the stuff I smoked 40 years ago that I find it to be a danger.
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The key word is "can".

Lots of people us marijuana other drugs responsibly and shouldn't be punished because of others being reckless. Too many good people have been put through hell by marijuana related arrests, while being otherwise law abiding citizens.

Enough is enough, end the war on drugs and focus on treatment.
 
I have no problem with this...even a broken clock is right twice a day. ;)

I just don't think it goes far enough. ALL drug use should be legal.

People who use drugs remain responsible for any harms they do on drugs, just like alcohol users.

People who sell bad drugs should be held criminally accountable, just like any other business scam that causes harm.

BTW, get rid of Asset Forfeiture laws. That's just legalized robbery.

When we get there, we'll have real liberty and good law.

War on Drugs:
1. The war on Drugs should end, all drugs should be legal and drug use decriminalized.
2. All persons currently in prison for use or small level sales (no violence) should be immediately released.
3. All persons with a criminal record for use or small level sales shall have their records expunged.
4. Criminal acts shall not be excused because one was under the influence of drugs.
5. Taxes from legal sales will be used for education and treatment programs.
6. Employers may require drug testing for workers who appear under the influence at work, and may used confirmed results to discharge a worker.
7. Minors may not be sold drugs, but:
a. parents may issue and allow use within the home, or
b. grant documented permission for use under parental supervision at a party or gathering in another location.
c. Liability still ensues for criminal or civil violation while under the influence.
8. Drug laws involving the above shall be repealed, and Asset Forfeiture will be stopped.
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42 years ago when I was 15 years old I bought my first kilo of commercial Mexican for 90$ USD :cool:

I bought it to make money & boy, did I make some money; I bought more, and more, and more, and ............. well, you know .........

it was all about investing, and of course, not getting busted ...........

cannabis should have never been illegal

I told people over 40 years ago that pot should be legal & taxed, just like any other commodity; of course, everyone thought I was ****ing nutz .......

maybe I was just ahead of my ****ing time ................. dunno ............
 
Trump should bully pulpit it like now. Then all the democrats will be at home in a haze on Election Day, the GOP caucus needs to mobilize this bill to the floor post haste
 
JacksinPA said:
I'm not pro-pot because I observed first hand how continued heavy use can mess up your judgement & send you on expensive tangents.
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Such as... Buying too many Oreos? :mrgreen:


And the stuff today is so much stronger than the stuff I smoked 40 years ago that I find it to be a danger.
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You can't overdose on marijuana. It is rarely habit-forming. It doesn't cause cancer.

Even given the stronger potency, and some open questions about its health effects, it's significantly safer than numerous legal drugs, such as alcohol or tobacco.

I for one am in favor of marijuana legalization. I don't know if Schumer's bill will succeed (I doubt it), but it's only a matter of time until it's legal.
 
Visbek said:
Such as... Buying too many Oreos? :mrgreen:



You can't overdose on marijuana. It is rarely habit-forming. It doesn't cause cancer.

Even given the stronger potency, and some open questions about its health effects, it's significantly safer than numerous legal drugs, such as alcohol or tobacco.

I for one am in favor of marijuana legalization. I don't know if Schumer's bill will succeed (I doubt it), but it's only a matter of time until it's legal.
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Drugs will never be legalized in the U.S. Too much Puritan blood. And it was bags of M&Ms (peanut).
 
JacksinPA said:
https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/28/politics/schumer-bill-decriminalize-marijuana/index.html

Washington (CNN)Sen. Chuck Schumer has introduced a new bill to decriminalize and regulate marijuana at the federal level.

The legislation, which the New York Democrat announced back in April, would remove marijuana from the Controlled Substances Act, where it is classified among drugs such as heroin and LSD.

By striking marijuana from the act, Schumer's office said in a news release Wednesday, the bill would effectively decriminalize the drug at the federal level. The measure would still allow states to determine their own marijuana laws while maintaining federal law enforcement against trafficking to states where it is illegal.
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I'm not pro-pot because I observed first hand how continued heavy use can mess up your judgement & send you on expensive tangents. And the stuff today is so much stronger than the stuff I smoked 40 years ago that I find it to be a danger.
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I know it's stating the obvious, but I've seen first hand (me) how heavy use of alcohol can mess up your judgment and went a long ways to ruining my life and millions of lives of others (according to the data), including lots of friends and acquaintances, several of them now dead as a direct result of alcohol use, but it's legal, and should be. Those of us who abuse(d) drugs aren't an excuse or a good reason to make criminals out of other users.

IMO, drug use is a personal decision, and drug abuse or addiction is a public health issue. I don't know why we ever got it into our dumb heads to treat most drugs and especially pot as a criminal problem.
 
MovingPictures said:
The key word is "can".

Lots of people us marijuana other drugs responsibly and shouldn't be punished because of others being reckless. Too many good people have been put through hell by marijuana related arrests, while being otherwise law abiding citizens.

Enough is enough, end the war on drugs and focus on treatment.
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Can't attest to that. Our local paper (real small) never ever had an article that stated "arrested for marijuana possession only". It always was in connection with a theft, break in, revoked license, brawl, intoxication, TNcare fraud, medicare fraud, bad check, child welfare visit, uninsured car, etc. etc. etc.
 
Barnacle said:
Can't attest to that. Our local paper (real small) never ever had an article that stated "arrested for marijuana possession only". It always was in connection with a theft, break in, revoked license, brawl, intoxication, TNcare fraud, medicare fraud, bad check, child welfare visit, uninsured car, etc. etc. etc.
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Funny, I know more than a few people that were harassed and arrested by police for simple possession.
 
cuban smokes said:
42 years ago when I was 15 years old I bought my first kilo of commercial Mexican for 90$ USD :cool:

I bought it to make money & boy, did I make some money; I bought more, and more, and more, and ............. well, you know .........

it was all about investing, and of course, not getting busted ...........

cannabis should have never been illegal

I told people over 40 years ago that pot should be legal & taxed, just like any other commodity; of course, everyone thought I was ****ing nutz .......

maybe I was just ahead of my ****ing time ................. dunno ............
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Congratulations on not getting caught. They gave out some horrendous prison sentences for drug dealing back then. On the other hand, if it had been legal, it wouldn't have been quite so profitable.
 
Barnacle said:
Police had to have a reason for "harassing" them in the first place.
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Not really.

They stop people all the time based on profiling under the guise of some other excuse, then that's when the fishing expeditions begin.

Why do you want people put in jail for simple use? I thought you guys believed in personal freedom.
 
cuban smokes said:
42 years ago when I was 15 years old I bought my first kilo of commercial Mexican for 90$ USD :cool:

I bought it to make money & boy, did I make some money; I bought more, and more, and more, and ............. well, you know .........

it was all about investing, and of course, not getting busted ...........

cannabis should have never been illegal

I told people over 40 years ago that pot should be legal & taxed, just like any other commodity; of course, everyone thought I was ****ing nutz .......

maybe I was just ahead of my ****ing time ................. dunno ............
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What sagacious person logs on to an Internet site and openly attest to having been a drug trafficker? :confused:


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You do realize you literally just attested to committing a felony and potentially conspiracy to commit a felony. From a federal perspective, your legal exposure will depend on the conspiracy aspect because the so long as your specific actus reus of buying and selling stopped five or more years ago, the statute of limitations will save you. If, however, the people with whom you did business are still doing business, there's a chance you could be implicated because the federal statute of limitations on conspiracies "begins ticking" when the conspiratorial behavior ceases among all participants (at the end of the offense as undertaken by any and all co-conspirators).

On the state level, however, the situation could be quite different. Maryland and Alabama, for example, have no statutes of limitations on drug trafficking offenses. You'll need to check with regard to all the states in which you did business. And make no mistake, the issue is that you were trading over time in multiple kilos rather than buying just enough for personal use.
 
Barnacle said:
Can't attest to that. Our local paper (real small) never ever had an article that stated "arrested for marijuana possession only". It always was in connection with a theft, break in, revoked license, brawl, intoxication, TNcare fraud, medicare fraud, bad check, child welfare visit, uninsured car, etc. etc. etc.
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Fine, so arrest them for those other crimes if they happened. No need to add BS drug charges on top of the other crimes, unless you think it's OK for cops to have an excuse to add months or years to a sentence because they decided to carry pot instead of a pint of liquor or pack of cigarettes or can of smokeless tobacco.
 
Xelor said:
What sagacious person logs on to an Internet site and openly attest to having been a drug trafficker? :confused:


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You do realize you literally just attested to committing a felony and potentially conspiracy to commit a felony. From a federal perspective, your legal exposure will depend on the conspiracy aspect because the so long as your specific actus reus of buying and selling stopped five or more years ago, the statute of limitations will save you. If, however, the people with whom you did business are still doing business, there's a chance you could be implicated because the federal statute of limitations on conspiracies "begins ticking" when the conspiratorial behavior ceases among all participants (at the end of the offense as undertaken by any and all co-conspirators).

On the state level, however, the situation could be quite different. Maryland and Alabama, for example, have no statutes of limitations on drug trafficking offenses. You'll need to check with regard to all the states in which you did business. And make no mistake, the issue is that you were trading over time in multiple kilos rather than buying just enough for personal use.
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not worried one bit but thanks for the thoughts & prayers ...........
 
Barnacle said:
Police had to have a reason for "harassing" them in the first place.
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Again, if those reasons were good ones, the cops could arrest them for those other things, not the drug charges.
 
cuban smokes said:
42 years ago when I was 15 years old I bought my first kilo of commercial Mexican for 90$ USD :cool:

I bought it to make money & boy, did I make some money; I bought more, and more, and more, and ............. well, you know .........

it was all about investing, and of course, not getting busted ...........

cannabis should have never been illegal

I told people over 40 years ago that pot should be legal & taxed, just like any other commodity; of course, everyone thought I was ****ing nutz .......

maybe I was just ahead of my ****ing time ................. dunno ............
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JasperL said:
Again, if those reasons were good ones, the cops could arrest them for those other things, not the drug charges.
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They did ... plus the drugs charges since its a federal crime to haul them around.
 
Captain Adverse said:
I have no problem with this...even a broken clock is right twice a day. ;)

I just don't think it goes far enough. ALL drug use should be legal.

People who use drugs remain responsible for any harms they do on drugs, just like alcohol users.

People who sell bad drugs should be held criminally accountable, just like any other business scam that causes harm.

BTW, get rid of Asset Forfeiture laws. That's just legalized robbery.

When we get there, we'll have real liberty and good law.

https://www.debatepolitics.com/blogs/captain-adverse/1391-time-re-introduce-myself.html
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And that's something that will never happen ... because of liberals.
Standard "defense" used by liberals to excuse drug addicts: It's not their fault ... bad company ... bad upbringing ... poor ... disenfrenchised ... bad demons ... life dealt them a bad hand ... etc.
 
Barnacle said:
They did ... plus the drugs charges since its a federal crime to haul them around.
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I'm not really sure what your point is. People on drugs (including far more often the legal alcohol) sometimes commit crimes. OK, that's a 'water is wet' observation. So what? Millions of other drug users don't commit the crimes you mention.

The question related to the OP is why do you think it's a good idea for your drug of choice making you a criminal, subject to arrest and jail? What business is it of the state in a free society whether you drink a six pack or smoke a joint? What sense does it make for the cops to show up at a house where the party is a little loud and potentially arrest everyone if they're smoking pot, but only issue a noise violation if they're drunk on vodka jello shots?
 
Barnacle said:
And that's something that will never happen ... because of liberals.
Standard "defense" used by liberals to excuse drug addicts: It's not their fault ... bad company ... bad upbringing ... poor ... disenfrenchised ... bad demons ... life dealt them a bad hand ... etc.
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Don't wear yourself out beating on that straw man. It's a little late for that kind of exercise.
 
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