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Vermont could be about to legalise marijuana – and become first US state to do so without public vot

Crovax said:
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Alright Lebowski

Long term marijuana use has been linked to brain damage and many deaths have been attributed to the use of marijuana those are facts
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RUN, RUN, RUN, it's the EVIL WEED; RUN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 
https://www.massroots.com/learn/the-man-responsible-for-marijuana-prohibition/

Meet the Man Responsible for Marijuana Prohibition

Most cannabis consumers are only too aware of the federal-level prohibition that forces so many to purchase from the black market. This illegality potentially exposes medical and recreational users to harder drugs and criminal elements — and obviously drives up prices.

What most fans of the culture don’t know is the story of the man who was the architect of American cannabis prohibition. Harry Anslinger, the nation’s first drug czar (as Commissioner of the Federal Bureau of Narcotics), for years contributed racist, sensationalistic — and typically completely fabricated — articles to a variety of newspapers and magazines owned by his co-conspirator, William Randolph Hearst. He was also the author of the Marijuana Tax Act legislation passed by Congress in August of 1937. This law, although replaced by the Controlled Substances Act of 1970, was the genesis of the modern day drug war and has been responsible for the emergence of a healthy black market for cannabis and the prosecution and incarceration of millions of pot smokers.

The following is an excerpt from my new book Understanding Medical Marijuana (Chapter 3: Why is Marijuana Illegal?):

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Paramount Protectionism: Anslinger & Hearst
Two men are primarily responsible for the modern federal-level legal prohibition of marijuana that has been in existence for the past 78 years: Harry Anslinger and William Randolph Hearst.
 
Dittohead not! said:
The past is pretty "trippy," too. A couple of questions need to be asked:

Will legalization really result in increased use? How much, and by whom?
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Why are we such a drug addled society to begin with? Why do so many want to escape reality? Is reality really that bad for them?
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Good questions...all. I don't think there is any question that with greater availability to marijuana there will be more casual users and with more casual users there will become more addicts. I'm not so worried about casual users and another 'question' is would those that eventually become addicted to marijuana inevitably become addicted to something else. Experience says...probably.
 
Crovax said:
Substantially less than if drugs were legal. Just look at how bad the pain pill problem has gotten since the easy access to them
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Opioids and weed cannot be compared when it comes to addiction.

And on the other hand, so much for that famous conservative personal responsibility shtick.

Let’s keep locking people up by the hundreds of thousands and putting untold millions of dollars into the hands of criminal enterprises because we can’t stand the thought of adults smoking a plant, giggling watching family guy and going to bed.
 
I was a daily pot user for years & stopped cold turkey because I was getting dysphoria, not euphoria. The strain I was into at the time made me paranoid, which is not my idea of recreation.
 
VanceMack said:
Good questions...all. I don't think there is any question that with greater availability to marijuana there will be more casual users and with more casual users there will become more addicts. I'm not so worried about casual users and another 'question' is would those that eventually become addicted to marijuana inevitably become addicted to something else. Experience says...probably.
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Possibly.
Marijuana hasn't been shown to be terribly addictive, but the necessity of going to a drug dealer, who is no doubt going to want to push other substances, could well make it a gateway drug. Casual users aren't likely to be a problem anyway, or at least not enough of a problem to conduct a campaign to enforce anti pot laws. All that really does is force drug use underground and incarcerate people who otherwise could be leading normal lives.
 
Dittohead not! said:
Possibly.
Marijuana hasn't been shown to be terribly addictive, but the necessity of going to a drug dealer, who is no doubt going to want to push other substances, could well make it a gateway drug. Casual users aren't likely to be a problem anyway, or at least not enough of a problem to conduct a campaign to enforce anti pot laws. All that really does is force drug use underground and incarcerate people who otherwise could be leading normal lives.
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Weed isnt necessarily a gateway drug but it is addictive. 30% of users are described as addictive users (per NIDA). Thats worse when MJ use is comorbid...used to 'treat' anxiety or depression. And we have no idea what its all going to look like with long term studies on the newer designer forms that are being used. THC levels are up, additives are screwing with peoples heads...whatever happened to a good old three finger bag of Columbian Gold or Panama Red or simple, Jamaican Lions herb. Pack of Zig Zags or a little steel pipe...nobody got hurt.
 
VanceMack said:
Weed isnt necessarily a gateway drug but it is addictive. 30% of users are described as addictive users (per NIDA). Thats worse when MJ use is comorbid...used to 'treat' anxiety or depression. And we have no idea what its all going to look like with long term studies on the newer designer forms that are being used. THC levels are up, additives are screwing with peoples heads...whatever happened to a good old three finger bag of Columbian Gold or Panama Red or simple, Jamaican Lions herb. Pack of Zig Zags or a little steel pipe...nobody got hurt.
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No doubt the distributors will make it as addictive as possible. It still has a long way to go to keep up with the addictive properties of nicotine though.
 
LOL...why would they need a public vote? It enables the use for those that choose, but it imposes nothing on others.
 
Crovax said:
You think that overdose is the only way to die from a drug? Just driving impairment from marijuana has killed plenty

And just because you can’t OD on a drug doesn’t make it safe.
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Yeah...and driving while arguing with your kids in the back seat can do that too. Or dropping your french fries.

:roll:
 
Crovax said:
And just because you can’t OD on a drug doesn’t make it safe.
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This is a good point. We should outlaw cell phones because texting and driving has been proven to be so dangerous. (Even talking on the phone actually)
 
NIMBY said:
Maybe it's time for posters to stop slandering other posters, telling them to lay off the weed.
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I know....it's stupid to assume that people that want to do away with stupid laws use pot.

When something is better, overall in its legalization, than its prohibition, it's stupid to be against it just because you were indoctrinated that way from birth (the way they tried to do that to all of us in the public school system since the 50s).

Free your mind. You dont need pot to do so.
 
Crovax said:
That’s not even remotely close to being true
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Well, 40 posts and 2 days later you have not shown that weed has killed anyone at all. Numerous false equivalencies, but no proof, not even close.
 
Dittohead not! said:
The past is pretty "trippy," too. A couple of questions need to be asked:

Will legalization really result in increased use? How much, and by whom?
and
Why are we such a drug addled society to begin with? Why do so many want to escape reality? Is reality really that bad for them?
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Nobody ever wants to talk about the fact that while happy, fulfilled people may DO drugs, they rarely become addicted.

Misery and drug addiction go hand in hand.
 
What if...? said:
Nobody ever wants to talk about the fact that while happy, fulfilled people may DO drugs, they rarely become addicted.

Misery and drug addiction go hand in hand.
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Exactly right. Misery leads to drug addiction, and drug addiction simply adds to the misery. People who have happy, fulfilling lives rarely get addicted to drugs.
 
Jetboogieman said:
Opioids and weed cannot be compared when it comes to addiction.

And on the other hand, so much for that famous conservative personal responsibility shtick.

Let’s keep locking people up by the hundreds of thousands and putting untold millions of dollars into the hands of criminal enterprises because we can’t stand the thought of adults smoking a plant, giggling watching family guy and going to bed.
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At least alcohol comes with built in punishment.

No hangovers or puking your guts out with pot.

God wouldn't approve.
 
What if...? said:
Nobody ever wants to talk about the fact that while happy, fulfilled people may DO drugs, they rarely become addicted.

Misery and drug addiction go hand in hand.
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I agree for the most part, but I think there is an individual genetic factor. Some individuals, not necessarily miserable, seem to become problematic users, addicts if you will, much more easily and consistently than other individuals.
 
Thoreau72 said:
I agree for the most part, but I think there is an individual genetic factor. Some individuals, not necessarily miserable, seem to become problematic users, addicts if you will, much more easily and consistently than other individuals.
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There's actually a gene for that, can't remember the name, but its present in most (all?) folks with strong addictive tendencies.

But that's just the addictive personality. They find something to be addicted to. Even when there are no drugs.

Gambling, sex, risk.
 
Crovax said:
Yeah because no one has died of drunk driving since alcohol became legal and there is plenty of awareness about it :roll:
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Red Bull has killed more people than marijuana. You can't od on MJ, it is a safe drug.

I will be in a legal MJ state tomorrow....might need to buy some head happy stuff, going to see Penn & Teller tomorrow night...
 
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Crovax said:
Substantially less than if drugs were legal. Just look at how bad the pain pill problem has gotten since the easy access to them
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Now just imagine if all those doctors and pharmacists pushing those opioids didn't have protections granted by our legal system and had to resort to hiring and arming thugs to protect their product and turf. That would be even worse.
 
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