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Yes, Pot Can Kill


Your link sucks. "In the new case report, the authors never refer to the boy’s death as an overdose, and many of the details surrounding the death are still murky.

For instance, the doctors noted that the boy had been living in a motel and that a parent had admitted to drug possession, including cannabis. But the doctors noted no report of the boy actually ingesting cannabis. They instead wrote that it was unlikely — given the level of THC in the boy’s system — that he had merely been exposed to marijuana in passing.

The doctors could not say how much marijuana the boy likely ingested. They also could not pinpoint when the ingestion occurred, giving only a probable time frame of two to six days prior to his death. Lastly, they added that inconsistent blood test results meant there was a slight chance that the myocarditis may have been developing silently prior to the marijuana ingestion."

In other words it was not likely that marijuana killed the kid. They cannot even claim that it related. And your title is a lie.
 
Let's play Devil's advocate here and say he's right.

Deaths related to Pot = 1
Deaths related to Alcohol = 86,798,433
 
Others have pointed out the flaw in your claim in the OP. There is currently no consensus about how much, if any part marijuana played in this death.

As the poster above me said, as tragic as this is, even if we could conclude this was solely or even substantially due to marijuana, this resembles a freak accident more than any sort of predictable risk. This is literally the first case of pediatric death even potentially related to marijuana that has ever been reported, and billions of people have been smoking marijuana for donkey years.

But beyond all of that, I would think it would be obvious we should not feed marijuana to babies. Other smaller critters have been known, on rare occasion, to die from marijuana toxicity: usually cats, and sometimes dogs. Their livers are less efficient with THC than ours are. I would presume a baby's liver is less efficient as well.

Babies are sensitive to all kinds of things that adults are not. Honey can kill a baby. A normal dose of aspirin can kill a baby.

However, typical adult humans, with their relatively large size and exceptionally efficient ability to process THC, are at no risk of death from marijuana directly.

There are plenty of good reasons to be cautious of, or even completely avoid all manner of drugs including marijuana (and alcohol, for that matter).

But trying to turn it into a boogie man by comparing apples and potatoes is not an effective educating tool. Kids and teens are not stupid, they know you're not telling the truth, and they will therefore simply ignore you. That's what every 21-year-old does on their birthday the first time they go to a bar, and it's what every teenager who tries weed whether it's legal or not does as well.

If we want to educate people to consider their drug use, and be moderate if they decide to do it, then we have to actually tell them the frickin' truth, so they don't simply tune us out for acting like paranoid, ignorant old foggies.

The truth is, marijuana does not cause overdose.
 
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Is there a global point you are trying to make here, or is this just some anecdote that means very little, except to the family of the 11 month old? There are many benign things that can be a cause of death. it does not make them inherently dangerous.

11 Mundane Objects That Are Statistically Deadlier Than Sharks | Mental Floss

The incredibly weak examples that people come up with in their futile attempt to tell us how pot is evil are counter-productive. They are so weak that a reasonable person can only conclude that pot really isn't very dangerous.
 
Yes! Salt can kill!

Insufficient salt can also kill. It's so confusing.

Give a mouse the equivalent of 100 cups of coffee and the caffeine will kill it. Give a six foot 21 year old man in excellent physical condition 100 cups of coffee and he'll die from over hydration. The caffeine will keep his corpse jumping.
 
Marijuana routinely drives people to kill...a bag of Doritos.
 
Let's play Devil's advocate here and say he's right.

Deaths related to Pot = 1
Deaths related to Alcohol = 86,798,433

I don't like that guy! He messes the statistics.
 
Marijuana routinely drives people to kill...a bag of Doritos.

And anything else laying around in the refrigerator.........also improves TV instantly.
 
Your link sucks. "In the new case report, the authors never refer to the boy’s death as an overdose, and many of the details surrounding the death are still murky.

For instance, the doctors noted that the boy had been living in a motel and that a parent had admitted to drug possession, including cannabis. But the doctors noted no report of the boy actually ingesting cannabis. They instead wrote that it was unlikely — given the level of THC in the boy’s system — that he had merely been exposed to marijuana in passing.

The doctors could not say how much marijuana the boy likely ingested. They also could not pinpoint when the ingestion occurred, giving only a probable time frame of two to six days prior to his death. Lastly, they added that inconsistent blood test results meant there was a slight chance that the myocarditis may have been developing silently prior to the marijuana ingestion."

In other words it was not likely that marijuana killed the kid. They cannot even claim that it related. And your title is a lie.

Wow, so defensive and angry, like something I'd expect from a person who likes pot but can't handle it being criticized.

"Overdose" is a false standard for which you demanded.

You also didn't deny that this child had a lot of pot in his system. What you did was try to deflect to a slight chance of myocarditis and then try to exonerate your very obvious love of cannabis by declaring the story "a lie."

If you'd like to explain why we should believe you over doctors, I'd like to know. I'm sure you have some links and talking points from NORML or a similar group lying around nearby.
 
Let's play Devil's advocate here and say he's right.

Deaths related to Pot = 1
Deaths related to Alcohol = 86,798,433

More deaths than that related to pot if you count intoxicated driving and stoned people jumping out of windows, and your alcohol figure is completely fabricated.

Hint: There's bound to be more deaths related to something that's legal than illegal.
 
More deaths than that related to pot if you count intoxicated driving and stoned people jumping out of windows, and your alcohol figure is completely fabricated.

Hint: There's bound to be more deaths related to something that's legal than illegal.

Dumbest thread ever
 
Thread Title: "Yes, Pot Can Kill"


LOL!

I just knew when I saw another article about how people shouldn't suggest pot killed the child, I would be able to find one person saying the opposite. This is what happens when media with an agenda twists the facts to sell a specific source.


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A case report about the seizure and death of an 11-month old after exposure to cannabis has prompted headlines about “the first marijuana overdose death” this week. Except that’s not what the doctors meant.

“We are absolutely not saying that marijuana killed that child,” said Thomas Nappe, an author of the report who is now the director of medical toxicology at St. Luke’s University Health Network in Bethlehem, Pa.

Nappe, who co-authored the report with Christopher Hoyte, explained that the doctors simply observed this unusual sequence of events, documented it and alerted the medical community that it is worth studying a possible relationship between cannabis and the child’s cause of death, myocarditis, or inflammation of the heart muscle. Their observations appeared in the August edition of the journal Clinical Practice and Cases in Emergency Medicine as a case report, which is significantly different from a scientific study or research report that can be used to establish a causal relationship. A spokesman for Denver Health wrote in an email that Hoyte would not be available for an interview late Thursday.

The report states that the child experienced an “unstable motel-living situation” and the parents admitted to drug possessions, including cannabis. Nappe said the authors urge parents to be vigilant and keep cannabis out of reach of children. The report recommends: “In states where cannabis is legalized, it is important that physicians not only counsel parents on preventing exposure to cannabis, but to also consider cannabis toxicity in unexplained pediatric myocarditis and cardiac deaths as a basis for urine drug screening in this setting.”

The authors added that,” As of this writing, this is the first reported pediatric death associated with cannabis exposure.” Nappe emphasized that the word “associated” should not be interpreted as indicating a cause and effect.

Drug policy and health experts also warned against making too much of the report.

“You just can’t make those statements because then what happens is lay people say, ‘Oh my God, did you hear a kid died from marijuana poisoning?’ and it can be sensationalized,” said Noah Kaufman, a Northern Colorado emergency room physician. “It’s not based on reality. It’s based on somebody kind of jumping the gun and making a conclusion, and scientifically you can’t do that.”

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...&utm_term=.5a89eac078aa&wpisrc=nl_most&wpmm=1







Stop lying.
 
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More deaths than that related to pot if you count intoxicated driving and stoned people jumping out of windows, and your alcohol figure is completely fabricated.

Hint: There's bound to be more deaths related to something that's legal than illegal.

People high on marijuana don't jump out of windows. I think you are thinking of acid or PCP.
 
Dumb ass propaganda click bait BS...which the alcohol and pharmaceutical industries will be grateful for...if they didn't sponsor it.

Next!
 
It is not possible to die from pot. This has to be the dumbest thread I've seen in weeks.
 
Wow, so defensive and angry, like something I'd expect from a person who likes pot but can't handle it being criticized.
Or, you're presenting the information in a highly misleading way.

Marijuana is, overall, very safe. You can't overdose on it. It doesn't cause cancer. Studies are conflicted on its possible role with heart disease or stroke (and those studies are often hobbled by marijuana's legal status). It isn't 100% perfectly safe, but it is far safer than alcohol, cocaine, opiates and most other drugs.

There is no link known, at this time, between marijuana use and myocarditis.

We should add that no rational person thinks it's a good idea to give marijuana, in any amount, to a toddler.


You also didn't deny that this child had a lot of pot in his system.
It's not that the child had a huge amount. It's that the amount was large enough that it wasn't from second-hand smoke. It's possible that the child ate some sort of marijuana edible, but there isn't enough evidence to prove that's what happened.

The autopsy results are inconclusive. They aren't sure when the child may have ingested marijuana; it might have been 2-6 days before he died, in which case it's harder to say the marijuana was a causal factor. He might have developed myocarditis before that ingestion. These kinds of difficulties, by the way, are why we don't treat anecdotes as though they are data. If we want to know whether marijuana causes heart problems, then we need to study thousands of cases, we need to know how much the participants are smoking, we need to adjust for other complicating factors ranging from diet to exercise to genetics.

In other words, this one case really tells us nothing about the safety of marijuana.
 
Wow, so defensive and angry, like something I'd expect from a person who likes pot but can't handle it being criticized.

"Overdose" is a false standard for which you demanded.

You also didn't deny that this child had a lot of pot in his system. What you did was try to deflect to a slight chance of myocarditis and then try to exonerate your very obvious love of cannabis by declaring the story "a lie."

If you'd like to explain why we should believe you over doctors, I'd like to know. I'm sure you have some links and talking points from NORML or a similar group lying around nearby.

How about we just got with the personal.liberty y'all always crow about and call it a day. Mmmmkay?

Conservative "liberty": Free to live our lives...as YOU see fit.

Screw you hypocrites.
 
You could absolutely kill someone by dropping a big hay bale of marijuana from above.

Obviously we must outlaw bailing twine, for the children.
 
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