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Yes, Pot Can Kill

I see no greater destabilizing effect than legalizing street drugs that shouldn't be.

And if you want to make that case you'll need to do better than you have in this thread, simple as that.

Your arguments are incoherent and weak and are not worthy of much attention.

But in the real world, outside of the authoritarian boot of the regressive, idiotic and self harming policies of current anti drug thinking, we have to push to undo all the damage that its caused which is far, far more than it claimed it was fighting.
 
And if you want to make that case you'll need to do better than you have in this thread, simple as that.

Your arguments are incoherent and weak and are not worthy of much attention.

But in the real world, outside of the authoritarian boot of the regressive, idiotic and self harming policies of current anti drug thinking, we have to push to undo all the damage that its caused which is far, far more than it claimed it was fighting.

This post is directed at the OP:

See post #31. The docs the OP article quotes were so upset by the way the article characterized their statements they felt the need to explicitly debunk it. This is a joke thread.

You can OD on water.

Let's be real here. Pot is not "perfectly safe", virtually nothing is. So, why not discuss real problems the different varieties of MJ could cause for people in certain age groups or with certain medical problems? The OP scare monger garbage is not helpful. Please come back when you've learned a little bit about MJ and we can discuss it.:2wave:
 
THE HARMFUL EFFECTS OF MARIJUANA

The immediate effects of taking marijuana include rapid heart beat, disorientation, lack of physical coordination, often followed by depression or sleepiness. Some users suffer panic attacks or anxiety.22

But the problem does not end there. According to scientific studies, the active ingredient in cannabis, THC, remains in the body for weeks or even months.23

Marijuana smoke contains 50% to 70% more cancer-causing substances than tobacco smoke.24 One major research study reported that a single cannabis joint could cause as much damage to the lungs as up to five regular cigarettes smoked one after another.4 Long-time joint smokers often suffer from bronchitis, an inflammation of the respiratory tract.25
Marijuana can change the structure of sperm cells, deforming them.

Does Marijuana Kill Brain Cells? Harmful Effects on the Brain - Drug-Free World


THC acts on specific brain cell receptors that ordinarily react to natural THC-like chemicals. These natural chemicals play a role in normal brain development and function.

Marijuana overactivates parts of the brain that contain the highest number of these receptors. This causes the "high" that people feel. Other effects include:

altered senses (for example, seeing brighter colors)
altered sense of time
changes in mood
impaired body movement
difficulty with thinking and problem-solving
impaired memory
hallucinations (when taken in high doses)
delusions (when taken in high doses)
psychosis (when taken in high doses)

Marijuana also affects brain development. When people begin using marijuana as teenagers, the drug may impair thinking, memory, and learning functions and affect how the brain builds connections between the areas necessary for these functions. Researchers are still studying how long marijuana's effects last and whether some changes may be permanent.

https://www.drugabuse.gov/publications/drugfacts/marijuana
 

That may well have happened, but it isn't cause for re-banning marijuana.

Over half a million kids go to ERs annually after ingesting some sort of poison, whether that be parents' medications, chemicals found under the sink or Uncle Joe's brandy.

It doesn't matter so much what the poison is -- but rather how quickly the event is discovered and soon they get the child to the hospital. Also, parents have to recognize that many substances in the home pose a risk to small children. Most of the time, it happens out of ignorance, but it's good to make parents aware of the dangers.
 
THE HARMFUL EFFECTS OF MARIJUANA

The immediate effects of taking marijuana include rapid heart beat, disorientation, lack of physical coordination, often followed by depression or sleepiness. Some users suffer panic attacks or anxiety.22

But the problem does not end there. According to scientific studies, the active ingredient in cannabis, THC, remains in the body for weeks or even months.23

Marijuana smoke contains 50% to 70% more cancer-causing substances than tobacco smoke.24 One major research study reported that a single cannabis joint could cause as much damage to the lungs as up to five regular cigarettes smoked one after another.4 Long-time joint smokers often suffer from bronchitis, an inflammation of the respiratory tract.25
Marijuana can change the structure of sperm cells, deforming them.

Does Marijuana Kill Brain Cells? Harmful Effects on the Brain - Drug-Free World


THC acts on specific brain cell receptors that ordinarily react to natural THC-like chemicals. These natural chemicals play a role in normal brain development and function.

Marijuana overactivates parts of the brain that contain the highest number of these receptors. This causes the "high" that people feel. Other effects include:

altered senses (for example, seeing brighter colors)
altered sense of time
changes in mood
impaired body movement
difficulty with thinking and problem-solving
impaired memory
hallucinations (when taken in high doses)
delusions (when taken in high doses)
psychosis (when taken in high doses)

Marijuana also affects brain development. When people begin using marijuana as teenagers, the drug may impair thinking, memory, and learning functions and affect how the brain builds connections between the areas necessary for these functions. Researchers are still studying how long marijuana's effects last and whether some changes may be permanent.

https://www.drugabuse.gov/publications/drugfacts/marijuana

One link says it can cause lung cancer, the other says there has been no connection. Therefore, they are both suspect. Especially the obviously biased 1st link.
 
I also see people on both sides of the issue acting as though marijuana affects all people the same. It doesn't. Most people can consume cannabis with no ill effects or dangerously impaired judgement. When I get stoned the only urge I have is to sit on the couch and watch philosophy videos on YouTube.

However, a minority of people completely lose their senses, almost as if they were using psychedelics. And as much as I personally like psychedelics, you can't be haphazard with their use or you could injure yourself. And for some people, marijuana is like that. It is rare, but it happens.

There are of course two easy fixes to that:

1. Don't use marijuana.
2. If you are going to try marijuana for the first time, or try a new form, like edibles, for the first time, have a sober sitter just in case it turns out you fall into that minority.

I don't recommend people try marijuana but it is a fact that for some people it improves their quality of life. It has been a life saver for me, helping me cope with PTSD far better than any prescription meds I have tried, with FAR fewer adverse side effects.

But for most people using marijuana will do no harm, nor will it improve their lives. It is just a fun thing to do every now and then that people can take or leave.

But I sure as hell don't think that bunch of corrupt idiots in DC should be telling us what we can and can't do with our own bodies.
 
As I stated in the post above, that one bad thing is legal isn't a reason to ban more legal things.

I see no greater destabilizing effect than legalizing street drugs that shouldn't be.

Because when it was banned before it worked so well :roll: And caused much more death, including to LE, due to it being a crime to own or sell? And then cost, in the long run, $ billions in court and prison costs?

All for keeping a substance that decades-old propaganda brainwashed people into believing...and still apparently sucks in the ignorant and biased? A substance that is safer to use than cars, alcohol, and skate boards?:doh

Edit: I dont use pot and it's legal here. It's been probably more than a decade since I even tried it. Never really interested me.
 
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No it was and it was an attempt to "debunk" by some very piss-poor standards. I totally feel you dog, this is ALL lies! https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2797098/

You're not super touchy and defensive, you just normally go around accusing people who say things you don't like as "making up lies."

No, but you should really get a new argument that goes beyond the "Itz reefer madniss" cliche that potheads always try to invoke. It displays a lack of an informed mind and a tendency to engage in confirmation bias.

It's predictable though: Every time I post something on the internet that shows pot isn't a wondrous blessing, the angry hordes of pot smokers come out of the woodwork with Cheetos dust on their shirts and start attacking and posting the same crap.

First of all do not call me names like: "dog" or "pothead" not only is it disrespectful, but it is against forum rules.
Second trolling is a big no-no on this forum as well. I know that you want me to be angry (hence why you keep trying to assume that I am angry) but that is by definition trolling. I know that you are new here but that does not mean that you can just come on here and be an obvious troll. So enjoy your stay while it lasts.
 
First of all do not call me names like: "dog" or "pothead" not only is it disrespectful, but it is against forum rules.
Second trolling is a big no-no on this forum as well. I know that you want me to be angry (hence why you keep trying to assume that I am angry) but that is by definition trolling. I know that you are new here but that does not mean that you can just come on here and be an obvious troll. So enjoy your stay while it lasts.

Seems to be in and out of sub-forums pot-stirring.
 
Its probably a bit more than 1.

Marijuana-Attributable Deaths

December, 2014: The National Institute on Drug Abuse updated its marijuana research paper, saying, “Marijuana is the illicit drug most frequently found in the blood of drivers who have been involved in accidents, including fatal ones,” and citing research that marijuana is increasingly detected in fatal vehicle accidents.
December, 2014: Oklahoma authorities reported a man with marijuana both in his system and on his person drove into oncoming traffic, crashing into another vehicle and killing its driver.

May, 2014: A study published by the University of Colorado School of Medicine found that, “the proportion of marijuana-positive drivers involved in fatal motor vehicle crashes in Colorado has increased dramatically since the commercialization of medical marijuana in the middle of 2009.”

April, 2014: A 47-year-old Denver man allegedly shot his wife while she spoke with a 911 dispatcher over the phone. According to various reports, the wife called 911 after her husband consumed candy laced with marijuana and began hallucinating and frightening the couple’s children. Some sources indicate the man may have taken prescription drugs with the marijuana. CBS News reports that 12 minutes into the call with 911, the wife “told dispatchers her husband was getting a gun from a safe before a gunshot sounded and the line went quiet.” The marijuana candy had, apparently, been purchased a licensed shop in the Denver area.

April, 2014: Researchers writing in the Journal of the American Heart Association investigated marijuana’s effects on cardiovascular health. They reviewed 1,979 incidents from 2006 to 2011, and found, “there were 22 cardiac complications (20 acute coronary syndromes), 10 peripheral complications (lower limb or juvenile arteriopathies and Buerger‐like diseases), and 3 cerebral complications (acute cerebral angiopathy, transient cortical blindness, and spasm of cerebral artery). In 9 cases, the event led to patient death.” (Emphasis added).

March, 2014: A 19-year-old college student jumped to his death after eating a marijuana-laced cookie purchased at a licensed marijuana store in Colorado. Reports indicate the man began shaking, screaming, and throwing objects in his hotel room after eating the marijuana “edible.” He ultimately jumped over the fourth-floor railing, into the lobby of the hotel at which he was staying. According to CBS News, the autopsy report listed marijuana as a “significant contributing factor” to his death.
February, 2014: researchers from Germany determined the deaths of two apparently-healthy, young men were in fact the result of marijuana. According to their article published in the journal Forensic Science International. Researchers concluded, “After exclusion of other causes of death, we assume that the young men died from cardiovascular complications evoked by smoking cannabis.”

November, 2013: Seattle news outlets reported an elderly Washington resident was killed after a neighbor’s apartment exploded as a result of a hash oil operation. Hash oil is a highly-potent extract produced from marijuana using flammable chemicals such as butane.

June, 2013: A 35-year-old Oregon man died as a result of an explosion and fire caused by a hash oil operation he and a friend were conducting in a garage.
October, 2011: The Office of National Drug Control Policy released a report analyzing traffic accidents from 2005 – 2009. The report noted, “Among fatally injured males who tested positive for drugs, 28 percent tested positive for cannabinoids compared with 17 percent of females,” and that, “Cannabinoids were reported in 43 percent of fatally injured drivers under age 24 who tested positive for drugs.”

2004: A study in the official journal of the American Academy of Pediatrics examined case studies of three otherwise-healthy adolescent boys who were admitted to hospitals due to stroke following heavy marijuana use; two of the boys ultimately died, and the study concluded marijuana may cause stroke and death.

Wow, can you say Bull****. Marijuana does not cause hallucinations, marijuana does not cause people to jump out of windows or off of high railings, marijuana does not make you shake and scream. You just found a propaganda site. Surprised that a grown adult fell for all this BS.
 
One link says it can cause lung cancer, the other says there has been no connection. Therefore, they are both suspect. Especially the obviously biased 1st link.

I should have looked more carefully at the links.... Here is one from a trusted source. The American Lung Association.

Marijuana and Lung Health

Marijuana and Lung Health | American Lung Association

Smoking marijuana clearly damages the human lung, and regular use leads to chronic bronchitis and can cause an immune-compromised person to be more susceptible to lung infections. No one should be exposed to secondhand marijuana smoke. Due to the risks it poses to lung health, the American Lung Association strongly cautions the public against smoking marijuana as well as tobacco products. More research is needed into the effects of marijuana on health, especially lung health.
 
It does, you're just ignoring it.

You seem to be ignoring every last counterpoint. For example:

Thread Title: "Yes, Pot Can Kill"



LOL!

I just knew when I saw another article about how people shouldn't suggest pot killed the child, I would be able to find one person saying the opposite. This is what happens when media with an agenda twists the facts to sell a specific source.


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A case report about the seizure and death of an 11-month old after exposure to cannabis has prompted headlines about “the first marijuana overdose death” this week. Except that’s not what the doctors meant.

“We are absolutely not saying that marijuana killed that child,” said Thomas Nappe, an author of the report who is now the director of medical toxicology at St. Luke’s University Health Network in Bethlehem, Pa.

Nappe, who co-authored the report with Christopher Hoyte, explained that the doctors simply observed this unusual sequence of events, documented it and alerted the medical community that it is worth studying a possible relationship between cannabis and the child’s cause of death, myocarditis, or inflammation of the heart muscle. Their observations appeared in the August edition of the journal Clinical Practice and Cases in Emergency Medicine as a case report, which is significantly different from a scientific study or research report that can be used to establish a causal relationship. A spokesman for Denver Health wrote in an email that Hoyte would not be available for an interview late Thursday.

The report states that the child experienced an “unstable motel-living situation” and the parents admitted to drug possessions, including cannabis. Nappe said the authors urge parents to be vigilant and keep cannabis out of reach of children. The report recommends: “In states where cannabis is legalized, it is important that physicians not only counsel parents on preventing exposure to cannabis, but to also consider cannabis toxicity in unexplained pediatric myocarditis and cardiac deaths as a basis for urine drug screening in this setting.”

The authors added that,” As of this writing, this is the first reported pediatric death associated with cannabis exposure.” Nappe emphasized that the word “associated” should not be interpreted as indicating a cause and effect.

Drug policy and health experts also warned against making too much of the report.

“You just can’t make those statements because then what happens is lay people say, ‘Oh my God, did you hear a kid died from marijuana poisoning?’ and it can be sensationalized,” said Noah Kaufman, a Northern Colorado emergency room physician. “It’s not based on reality. It’s based on somebody kind of jumping the gun and making a conclusion, and scientifically you can’t do that.”

[continues]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...&utm_term=.5a89eac078aa&wpisrc=nl_most&wpmm=1







Stop lying.
 
How tragic:

Drunk students fell to their deaths as they kissed on a balcony - Telegraph

Ok, lets ban alcohol and spend countless dollars and kill countless amounts of people and allow criminals to make zillions of dollars on illicit substances and destabilize entire regions because things happen.

Nah, it's clearly balconies that are the problem. If it wasn't there for stand on, they wouldn't have fallen off of it.


And I'm not even going to start talking about the ground, which killed them.
 
I wouldn't advocate allowing minors to use it. Only adults.

I think if normalizing it decreases alcohol and opiate consumption that would be a good thing.

It certainly does decrease alcohol consumption, which is the precise reason that anti-pot initiatives pick up some big donations from big distributors.
 
I doubt those numbers you cited about alcohol died solely from alcohol poisoning.

It works both ways.

My numbers were random. I don't think such a number exists. The truth in the matter is despite all the false allegations and large amount of propaganda alcohol is far way more responsible for deaths than marijuana. It's not even a comparison.
 
Insufficient salt can also kill. It's so confusing.

Give a mouse the equivalent of 100 cups of coffee and the caffeine will kill it. Give a six foot 21 year old man in excellent physical condition 100 cups of coffee and he'll die from over hydration. The caffeine will keep his corpse jumping.

When I was about 12, I got ahold of a bottle a caffeine pills, (the real ones, from the 80's) Damn near OD'ed.
 
When I was about 12, I got ahold of a bottle a caffeine pills, (the real ones, from the 80's) Damn near OD'ed.

Yikes. I can believe that. If I take one too many Vivarin on a long car drive I end up regretting it. It makes me feel all "tweeked out".
 
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