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Yes, Pot Can Kill

worksforpigs said:
More deaths than that related to pot if you count intoxicated driving and stoned people jumping out of windows, and your alcohol figure is completely fabricated.

Hint: There's bound to be more deaths related to something that's legal than illegal.
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"Stoned people jumping out of windows"

You are dismissed.
 
Rexedgar said:
And anything else laying around in the refrigerator.........also improves TV instantly.
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I once found myself watching a marathon of Cupcake Wars on the Food Network, while simultaneously eating a giant tub of sugar cookies. Must have been 4:20 somewhere.
 
worksforpigs said:
Wow, so defensive and angry, like something I'd expect from a person who likes pot but can't handle it being criticized.

"Overdose" is a false standard for which you demanded.

You also didn't deny that this child had a lot of pot in his system. What you did was try to deflect to a slight chance of myocarditis and then try to exonerate your very obvious love of cannabis by declaring the story "a lie."

If you'd like to explain why we should believe you over doctors, I'd like to know. I'm sure you have some links and talking points from NORML or a similar group lying around nearby.
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If you thought that was anger you must be a very delicate snowflake.

The funny part is that you are trying to argue against a quote from your own link. And at that you got it wrong. ANd I would explain that to you, but I suspect that you are just here to whine about marijuana, make up lies about marijuana and the people who use it.
 
worksforpigs said:
More deaths than that related to pot if you count intoxicated driving and stoned people jumping out of windows, and your alcohol figure is completely fabricated.

Hint: There's bound to be more deaths related to something that's legal than illegal.
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You watched Reefer madness didnt you?

 
The truth behind the ‘first marijuana overdose death’

By Ellie Silverman
November 17

A case report about the seizure and death of an 11-month old after exposure to cannabis has prompted headlines about “the first marijuana overdose death” this week. Except that’s not what the doctors meant. “We are absolutely not saying that marijuana killed that child,” said Thomas Nappe, an author of the report who is now the director of medical toxicology at St. Luke’s University Health Network in Bethlehem, Pa. Nappe, who co-authored the report with Christopher Hoyte, explained that the doctors simply observed this unusual sequence of events, documented it and alerted the medical community that it is worth studying a possible relationship between cannabis and the child’s cause of death, myocarditis, or inflammation of the heart muscle. A case report about the seizure and death of an 11-month old after exposure to cannabis has prompted headlines about “the first marijuana overdose death” this week. The authors added that, "As of this writing, this is the first reported pediatric death associated with cannabis exposure.” Nappe emphasized that the word “associated” should not be interpreted as indicating a cause and effect. Drug policy and health experts also warned against making too much of the report.
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So no lol, MaryJane isn't lethal.
 
FreedomFromAll said:
If you thought that was anger you must be a very delicate snowflake.

The funny part is that you are trying to argue against a quote from your own link. And at that you got it wrong. ANd I would explain that to you, but I suspect that you are just here to whine about marijuana, make up lies about marijuana and the people who use it.
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No it was and it was an attempt to "debunk" by some very piss-poor standards. I totally feel you dog, this is ALL lies! https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2797098/

You're not super touchy and defensive, you just normally go around accusing people who say things you don't like as "making up lies."
 
FreedomFromAll said:
You watched Reefer madness didnt you?
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No, but you should really get a new argument that goes beyond the "Itz reefer madniss" cliche that potheads always try to invoke. It displays a lack of an informed mind and a tendency to engage in confirmation bias.

It's predictable though: Every time I post something on the internet that shows pot isn't a wondrous blessing, the angry hordes of pot smokers come out of the woodwork with Cheetos dust on their shirts and start attacking and posting the same crap.
 
worksforpigs said:
and stoned people jumping out of windows.
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worksforpigs said:
No, but you should really get a new argument that goes beyond the "Itz reefer madniss" cliche that potheads always try to invoke. It displays a lack of an informed mind and a tendency to engage in confirmation bias.

It's predictable though: Every time I post something on the internet that shows pot isn't a wondrous blessing, the angry hordes of pot smokers come out of the woodwork with Cheetos dust on their shirts and start attacking and posting the same crap.
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Here's a suggestion.

Talk about amotivational syndrome in folks who smoke heavily in adolescence.

THAT'S a real thing that responsible pot smokers try to address.

Jumping out of windows is just old propaganda.
 
worksforpigs said:
More deaths than that related to pot if you count intoxicated driving and stoned people jumping out of windows, and your alcohol figure is completely fabricated.

Hint: There's bound to be more deaths related to something that's legal than illegal.
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Linkie???

The article in the OP is a classic case of "content does not support title". Then you follow up with the "jumps from windows" nonsense.
 
<alt>doxygen said:
Linkie???

The article in the OP is a classic case of "content does not support title". Then you follow up with the "jumps from windows" nonsense.
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It does, you're just ignoring it.
 
worksforpigs said:
More deaths than that related to pot if you count intoxicated driving and stoned people jumping out of windows, and your alcohol figure is completely fabricated.

Hint: There's bound to be more deaths related to something that's legal than illegal.
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Is it common for people to smoke pot and jump out of windows? I hear about drunk people getting into fatal car crashes on a weekly basis, but I can't remember the last time I heard of someone smoking a joint and then jumping off a building or something.
 
worksforpigs said:
Of course you don't. Pot advocates never seem to be aware of the negative side of cannabis use.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/colorado-mom-gave-pot-brownie-son-jumped-window-020606668.html

Denver coroner: Man fell to death after eating marijuana cookies – The Denver Post
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How tragic:

Drunk students fell to their deaths as they kissed on a balcony - Telegraph

Ok, lets ban alcohol and spend countless dollars and kill countless amounts of people and allow criminals to make zillions of dollars on illicit substances and destabilize entire regions because things happen.
 
Lovebug said:
Had the boy ingested alcohol, he might have died as well. Lets ban booze? How about the boy died because he wasn't supervised, he was curious, he ingested something deadly? Had he sampled some antifreeze (I understand it tastes pretty good/do all states require adding bittering agents? ), where would this discussion go? Chewing on cigs? Household cleaners?
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Unfortunately, we can't put back in the bottle the genie we let out, but that isn't a reason to free more genies from their bottles.

Do you have a better argument?
 
Pot is likely the safest recreational drug out there, the only major medical condition associated so far is cannabinoid hyperemesis which is uncontrollable vomiting due to extremely high THC use.
 
Jetboogieman said:
How tragic:

Drunk students fell to their deaths as they kissed on a balcony - Telegraph

Ok, lets ban alcohol and spend countless dollars and kill countless amounts of people and allow criminals to make zillions of dollars on illicit substances and destabilize entire regions because things happen.
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As I stated in the post above, that one bad thing is legal isn't a reason to ban more legal things.

I see no greater destabilizing effect than legalizing street drugs that shouldn't be.
 
digsbe said:
Pot is likely the safest recreational drug out there, the only major medical condition associated so far is cannabinoid hyperemesis which is uncontrollable vomiting due to extremely high THC use.
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Yes, when I worked in a hospital I saw it, but you're ignoring the brain damage pot use can do to teenagers and other issues with it.

No it's not the most dangerous drug out there but that's not a reason to normalize it, either.
 
worksforpigs said:
Unfortunately, we can't put back in the bottle the genie we let out, but that isn't a reason to free more genies from their bottles.

Do you have a better argument?
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Parenting and supervision?
 
worksforpigs said:
Yes, when I worked in a hospital I saw it, but you're ignoring the brain damage pot use can do to teenagers and other issues with it.

No it's not the most dangerous drug out there but that's not a reason to normalize it, either.
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I wouldn't advocate allowing minors to use it. Only adults.

I think if normalizing it decreases alcohol and opiate consumption that would be a good thing.
 
Tuatara said:
Let's play Devil's advocate here and say he's right.

Deaths related to Pot = 1
Deaths related to Alcohol = 86,798,433
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Its probably a bit more than 1.

Marijuana-Attributable Deaths

December, 2014: The National Institute on Drug Abuse updated its marijuana research paper, saying, “Marijuana is the illicit drug most frequently found in the blood of drivers who have been involved in accidents, including fatal ones,” and citing research that marijuana is increasingly detected in fatal vehicle accidents.
December, 2014: Oklahoma authorities reported a man with marijuana both in his system and on his person drove into oncoming traffic, crashing into another vehicle and killing its driver.

May, 2014: A study published by the University of Colorado School of Medicine found that, “the proportion of marijuana-positive drivers involved in fatal motor vehicle crashes in Colorado has increased dramatically since the commercialization of medical marijuana in the middle of 2009.”

April, 2014: A 47-year-old Denver man allegedly shot his wife while she spoke with a 911 dispatcher over the phone. According to various reports, the wife called 911 after her husband consumed candy laced with marijuana and began hallucinating and frightening the couple’s children. Some sources indicate the man may have taken prescription drugs with the marijuana. CBS News reports that 12 minutes into the call with 911, the wife “told dispatchers her husband was getting a gun from a safe before a gunshot sounded and the line went quiet.” The marijuana candy had, apparently, been purchased a licensed shop in the Denver area.

April, 2014: Researchers writing in the Journal of the American Heart Association investigated marijuana’s effects on cardiovascular health. They reviewed 1,979 incidents from 2006 to 2011, and found, “there were 22 cardiac complications (20 acute coronary syndromes), 10 peripheral complications (lower limb or juvenile arteriopathies and Buerger‐like diseases), and 3 cerebral complications (acute cerebral angiopathy, transient cortical blindness, and spasm of cerebral artery). In 9 cases, the event led to patient death.” (Emphasis added).

March, 2014: A 19-year-old college student jumped to his death after eating a marijuana-laced cookie purchased at a licensed marijuana store in Colorado. Reports indicate the man began shaking, screaming, and throwing objects in his hotel room after eating the marijuana “edible.” He ultimately jumped over the fourth-floor railing, into the lobby of the hotel at which he was staying. According to CBS News, the autopsy report listed marijuana as a “significant contributing factor” to his death.
February, 2014: researchers from Germany determined the deaths of two apparently-healthy, young men were in fact the result of marijuana. According to their article published in the journal Forensic Science International. Researchers concluded, “After exclusion of other causes of death, we assume that the young men died from cardiovascular complications evoked by smoking cannabis.”

November, 2013: Seattle news outlets reported an elderly Washington resident was killed after a neighbor’s apartment exploded as a result of a hash oil operation. Hash oil is a highly-potent extract produced from marijuana using flammable chemicals such as butane.

June, 2013: A 35-year-old Oregon man died as a result of an explosion and fire caused by a hash oil operation he and a friend were conducting in a garage.
October, 2011: The Office of National Drug Control Policy released a report analyzing traffic accidents from 2005 – 2009. The report noted, “Among fatally injured males who tested positive for drugs, 28 percent tested positive for cannabinoids compared with 17 percent of females,” and that, “Cannabinoids were reported in 43 percent of fatally injured drivers under age 24 who tested positive for drugs.”

2004: A study in the official journal of the American Academy of Pediatrics examined case studies of three otherwise-healthy adolescent boys who were admitted to hospitals due to stroke following heavy marijuana use; two of the boys ultimately died, and the study concluded marijuana may cause stroke and death.
 
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