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The Opioid Epidemic is Really Bad in Trump Country

<alt>doxygen

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Trump just throws out slogans. I doubt he has any real plan in the works on this.
 
<alt>doxygen said:
I think Trump put Kellyann in charge of this problem? What's she/he up to? WVA, KY and Ohio still have massive problems. Any mention of policy changes to address this?



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https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...in-small-town-americas-finances-idUSKCN1BU16F
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Almost no one was even talking about this before Trump came along, because the people who are dying the Elite Class are happy to have die and go away.... have some patience please, plans must be devised which takes time.....not knowing what the health system will look like does not help.
 
It is very hard to protect the stupid from themselves - do you have some national policy in mind that would accomplish this?
 
Hawkeye10 said:
Almost no one was even talking about this before Trump came along, because the people who are dying the Elite Class are happy to have die and go away.... have some patience please, plans must be devised which takes time.....not knowing what the health system will look like does not help.
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Actually a lot of people were talking about it - have been since before Limbaugh got addicted. I know it takes time to come up with plans, but I wondered if the Trump admin. had done anything to move on it.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
It is very hard to protect the stupid from themselves - do you have some national policy in mind that would accomplish this?
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I'm a "legalize and educate, treat the addicted" libertarian on this issue. Bans and "tough on crime" approaches are proven failures, and that's where I fear Trump/Sessions are headed. Treating the victims as the problem hasn't worked. Didn't work with booze, either.
 
<alt>doxygen said:
I think Trump put Kellyann in charge of this problem? What's she/he up to? WVA, KY and Ohio still have massive problems. Any mention of policy changes to address this?



From:

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...in-small-town-americas-finances-idUSKCN1BU16F
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This epidemic was going on during obama, and bush as well. Years of prescribing opiods like candy has led to the addiction crisis. In my opinion weed should be issued as a pain killer short of severe pain, in which opium should be used but under strict criteria and supervision.
 
The type of prescription a person takes should only be between the doctor and the patient. Government needs to stay out of it.
 
<alt>doxygen said:
I'm a "legalize and educate, treat the addicted" libertarian on this issue. Bans and "tough on crime" approaches are proven failures, and that's where I fear Trump/Sessions are headed. Treating the victims as the problem hasn't worked. Didn't work with booze, either.
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Legalize poisons, educate folks that we legalized these poisons to make them more readily available and to discourage their use and then attempt to treat those addicted to these legal poisons (despite their objections?) at the expense of others. What could possibly go wrong? Let's try that with cocaine and meth too.
 
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X Factor said:
The type of prescription a person takes should only be between the doctor and the patient. Government needs to stay out of it.
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What if the person is then selling the drugs from the prescription on the street, should the government still stay out of it?
 
ttwtt78640 said:
Legalize poisons, educate folks that we legalized these poisons to make them more readily available and to discourage their use and then attempt to treat those addicted to these legal poisons (despite their objections?) at the expense of others. What could possibly go wrong? Let's try that with cocaine and meth too.
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We legalized alcohol

The criminal violence associated with trafficking of alcohol went down significantly, people addicted to alcohol can get treatment without fear of being thrown in jail

If they commit crimes to afford alcohol they go to jail for the crime committed not possession of alcohol. So why not pot and cocaine?
 
beerftw said:
This epidemic was going on during obama, and bush as well. Years of prescribing opiods like candy has led to the addiction crisis. In my opinion weed should be issued as a pain killer short of severe pain, in which opium should be used but under strict criteria and supervision.
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My wife is in the hospital for post surgical infections, she was on morphine and it had her way out there, she was not at all lucid, she also had a brain infection, we (me and the family) insisted she be taken off it, low and behold, she resurfaced.

I will put the morphine up and hide it, I really want to dig a hole and bury it.
 
beerftw said:
This epidemic was going on during obama, and bush as well. Years of prescribing opiods like candy has led to the addiction crisis. In my opinion weed should be issued as a pain killer short of severe pain, in which opium should be used but under strict criteria and supervision.
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THey found in states where medical pot can be prescribed for pain, both opiod addiction and deaths dropped drastically.
The Opioid Crisis | Castlight Health
 
Lord Tammerlain said:
We legalized alcohol

The criminal violence associated with trafficking of alcohol went down significantly, people addicted to alcohol can get treatment without fear of being thrown in jail

If they commit crimes to afford alcohol they go to jail for the crime committed not possession of alcohol. So why not pot and cocaine?
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Who, exactly, is volunteering me to pay for treating addicts as if is my fault that we granted them free access to those substances? I have no problem with allowing free choice for folks to enjoy recreational drugs but I do have a problem being held accountable for their abuse of that freedom.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
Legalize poisons, educate folks that we legalized these poisons to make them more readily available and to discourage their use and then attempt to treat those addicted to these legal poisons (despite their objections?) at the expense of others. What could possibly go wrong? Let's try that with cocaine and meth too.
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Poisons already are legalized, primary amongst them alcohol and nicotine. They're available everywhere. Drug warriors consume them both to a great degree.

And, since you asked, yes, let's legalize everything.
 
Tanngrisnir said:
Poisons already are legalized, primary amongst them alcohol and nicotine. They're available everywhere. Drug warriors consume them both to a great degree.

And, since you asked, yes, let's legalize everything.
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How would legalizing meth, help? As a former user, I shudder at the thought!
 
Slingshot Bob said:
How would legalizing meth, help? As a former user, I shudder at the thought!
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It would remove criminal penalties that would allow addicts to find treatment without fear of sanction, loss of employment, getting a record, being incarcertated with more violent people, etc...

Really simple stuff. Not hard to figure out.
 
Tanngrisnir said:
Poisons already are legalized, primary amongst them alcohol and nicotine. They're available everywhere. Drug warriors consume them both to a great degree.

And, since you asked, yes, let's legalize everything.
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Hmm... how does PPACA treat tobacco use? Should it treat alcohol and other recreational drug use the same way? Let's start by legalizing being uninsured. I am not a drug warrior but treating addiction as a medical problem is ridiculous - it is a behavior problem much like shoplifting or burglary since its cure is (voluntarily?) abstaining from that problem behavior.
 
<alt>doxygen said:
Actually a lot of people were talking about it - have been since before Limbaugh got addicted. I know it takes time to come up with plans, but I wondered if the Trump admin. had done anything to move on it.
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May 26 2017:

While researchers and policymakers alike continue to push for solutions to the opioid addiction crisis, there isn’t yet a good understanding of what will work. Lawmakers are searching for the most effective strategies, while avoiding ideas that might have negative, unintended consequences. The goal of the Opioid Policy Research Collaborative is to arm policymakers with much better information. “The problem is they’re dealing with an emergency, and in an emergency, you’re often shooting in the dark,” Kolodny says. “We want to be able to get them information so they can aim more carefully.
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Taking Aim at America?s Opioid Crisis | The Heller School at Brandeis University

Ya gotta know which direction to go first, and because the opioid crisis was for so long ignored the experts are still trying to figure that out.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
Hmm... how does PPACA treat tobacco use? Should it treat alcohol and other recreational drug use the same way? Let's start by legalizing being uninsured. I am not a drug warrior but treating addiction as a medical problem is ridiculous - it is a behavior problem much like shoplifting or burglary since its cure is (voluntarily?) abstaining from that problem behavior.
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Addiction is a medical problem and a disease. Treating addiciton as anything other than being a medical problem simply screams historical pig-ignorance.

It's not just a 'behavior' to anyone familiar with it.

You have no idea what you're talking about. Change that.

[video]https://www.ted.com/talks/michael_botticelli_addiction_is_a_disease_we_shoul d_treat_it_like_one[/video]
 
Tanngrisnir said:
It would remove criminal penalties that would allow addicts to find treatment without fear of sanction, loss of employment, getting a record, being incarcertated with more violent people, etc...

Really simple stuff. Not hard to figure out.
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I can agree with 90% of your post, but would legalization increase usage?

Everytime I left my dealers driveway, I feared getting thrown down on.
 
Slingshot Bob said:
I can agree with 90% of your post, but would legalization increase usage?

Everytime I left my dealers driveway, I feared getting thrown down on.
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No. No data that I've seen, from anywhere, indicates that would be the case.

If heroin were legalized tonight, would you suddently go out and try it? I know what my choice would be.

Almost no one would. Those that did, and developed a problem, could get treatment, in a medical facility, and get on with their lives.

Locking people up serves no purpose other than to give puritans a chance to masturbate.

No one rational wants that.
 
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