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The Opioid Epidemic is Really Bad in Trump Country

I'm aware of that. "freedom" includes the freedom to enslave oneself. It cuts both ways.

The really sad thing is that the creators of Oxy originally marketed it to doctors as something that only led to addiction in < 1% of people.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2622774/
Oxycontin: How Purdue Pharma Helped Spark The Opioid Epidemic | IFLScience

I agree that Oxy is abused and like many such pain drugs is more addictive than their makers claim. The advantage of Oxy was said to be it's timed release feature to give a more consistent dose over a longer time, but many of it's abusers crush it to get a stronger effect over a shorter time. Oxy was not available when I had my orthopedic surgeries and the suggested dosage of prescription pain meds left lags between one (4-hour) dose trailing off and the next (4-hour) dose kicking in - that was what Oxy was supposed to help.
 
I agree that Oxy is abused and like many such pain drugs is more addictive than their makers claim. The advantage of Oxy was said to be it's timed release feature to give a more consistent dose over a longer time, but many of it's abusers crush it to get a stronger effect over a shorter time. Oxy was not available when I had my orthopedic surgeries and the suggested dosage of prescription pain meds left lags between one (4-hour) dose trailing off and the next (4-hour) dose kicking in - that was what Oxy was supposed to help.

I've also had surgeries, and I also deal with chronic pain. I'm very familiar with the lag you mentioned. I was given one prescription for Oxy following rotator cuff surgery in 2009. I only took 2 or 3 of them. After that the pain got to where I could deal with it using hydrocodone and ibuprofen. I didn't like Oxy because it DOES last a lot longer, and so does the insomnia side effect.
 
I've also had surgeries, and I also deal with chronic pain. I'm very familiar with the lag you mentioned. I was given one prescription for Oxy following rotator cuff surgery in 2009. I only took 2 or 3 of them. After that the pain got to where I could deal with it using hydrocodone and ibuprofen. I didn't like Oxy because it DOES last a lot longer, and so does the insomnia side effect.

My favorite was Vicodin 500mg or 750mg (it caused me the least side effects and it was still decent for pain) but my doctor(s) kept rotating the prescription pain meds types (brands?) on a 5 day basis explaining that with such rotation I was less likely to experience addiction.
 
My favorite was Vicodin 500mg or 750mg (it caused me the least side effects and it was still decent for pain) but my doctor(s) kept rotating the prescription pain meds types (brands?) on a 5 day basis explaining that with such rotation I was less likely to experience addiction.

Vicodin = Hydrocodone.

I have a prescription for that. The drill in FL is you go to a pain management doc (mine is a neurologist) once a month. They can prescribe you 30 days worth of meds. You can be asked to take a urine test at any one of those visits.

I only take the stuff when the pain gets really bad. I would rather keep my tolerance low, plus my job requires me to use my brain - being drug addled hinders that.
 
Vicodin = Hydrocodone.

I have a prescription for that. The drill in FL is you go to a pain management doc (mine is a neurologist) once a month. They can prescribe you 30 days worth of meds. You can be asked to take a urine test at any one of those visits.

I only take the stuff when the pain gets really bad. I would rather keep my tolerance low, plus my job requires me to use my brain - being drug addled hinders that.

I have never been on them for more than three weeks, usually having extra doses left by then. I too took them as infrequently as possible - pain is your friend to an extent since it lets you know when you have overdone it while still healing.
 
I have never been on them for more than three weeks, usually having extra doses left by then. I too took them as infrequently as possible - pain is your friend to an extent since it lets you know when you have overdone it while still healing.

I hear ya. In spite of my condition, I still have about 3 of the single 20 pill prescription for Oxy that I got in Oct., 2009. I save them for "emergencies", which happen every once in a while.

At its best, pain is your bodies way of saying "stop that". However, pain can get in the way if it's not a part of a healing process, or telling you "take your hand out of the fire, idiot!". Chronic pain is another animal.

My father in law died of pancreatic cancer. He was kept alive for a couple of extra years by chemo and narcotics. I believe he died an addict, and I have no problem with that. He got to spend about 18 extra months with family and friends, and his suffering was minimized. He was taking Oxy and morphine, though I have no idea what dosage. I do know that when he took the morphine he usually had to take a nap for a couple of hours.
 
What is the problem is bigger than anything "people and their friends/family" can deal with on their own?

To me, that's only crime. If drug-related crime goes up, that affects me. Or may. That needs to be dealt with. There are already plenty of employee and community/state-based programs to 'help' these people. But you cannot force anyone to change until they are ready. So I see no point in throwing more money at that. It's a yo-yo thing where people get arrested or end up in the ER, then are offered rehab programs (as an option to jail, so they take them) and then these programs fail because it wasnt their choice, they werent ready yet.

So I dont see the point in more $$ being thrown at that. New solutions I'm very open to.
 
So I just found this:
Justice Department Awards $59 Million To Groups Fighting Opioid Epidemic : NPR

59mil isn't much in the overall scheme of things, but maybe they can find a good way to deal with the problem using these test beds and then enlarge it.

With the country in the throes of an epidemic, communities across the nation are being forced to confront the harrowing, and often fatal, effects of opioid abuse. But solutions — such as creating intervention programs in Ohio, providing access to treatment in Alabama, or investing in prevention initiatives in Missouri — cost money.

The Department of Justice recently announced it would award almost $59 million in grants for programs addressing the opioid epidemic across the country. Nearly 60,000 Americans died because of drug overdoses in 2016, with the majority of those deaths attributed to opioids, according to the DOJ.

"These grant awards have primarily been directed to states and communities hardest hit by the opioid epidemic who are experiencing significant increases in the number of overdose deaths and non-fatal overdoses," Attorney General Jeff Sessions said.

About $24 million of the money awarded will go to 50 local governments that are fighting opioid addiction through a variety of measures aimed at prevention and treatment.

Here's a look at three counties that received money, what they're doing to curb opioid overdoses in their communities and how these grants will affect their efforts to save lives.
 
So I just found this:
Justice Department Awards $59 Million To Groups Fighting Opioid Epidemic : NPR

59mil isn't much in the overall scheme of things, but maybe they can find a good way to deal with the problem using these test beds and then enlarge it.

Which kinda makes me wonder why the Justice Department is involved in health and pharmaceutical issues. Health is not synonymous with justice in my dictionary. It seems like most bureaucracies enjoy mission creep, as long as it makes their budget grow.
 
Which kinda makes me wonder why the Justice Department is involved in health and pharmaceutical issues. Health is not synonymous with justice in my dictionary. It seems like most bureaucracies enjoy mission creep, as long as it makes their budget grow.

Probably somehow under the rubric of The War On Drugs.
 
Republican Scott Walker has tweeted out his solidarity in concern of this new battle. As it has hit the homes of both Democratic and Republican politicians.

Call me crazy... some how I don't think he was thinking of inner-city black crack addicts in that tweet. Albeit, young blacks go to heroin and pain pills for recreational drug use. Crack is now and older persons drug (in the USA--maybe not Brazil).

The white Democrat with a number of drug paraphernalia discovered in his home, had a crack cocaine pipe, so, hard to tie that to all the violin strings about medical doctors and the pharmaceutical industry. Unless doctors and pharma are handing out crack cocaine rocks now.



Heroin overdose deaths engulf both Wisconsin political parties


Heroin Hits Both Political Parties:

"Stories today are another reminder that addiction crisis knows no boundaries," Gov. Scott Walker tweeted Wednesday. "Prayers for all in the fight."

The search of Sidener’s condominium and vehicle turned up four guns; six drug pipes; Oxycodone, Adderall and other pills; suspected marijuana; suspected crack cocaine; needles and other drug paraphernalia; two digital scales; and a ledger and notebook with names and dollar amounts in it.
 
Almost no one was even talking about this before Trump came along, because the people who are dying the Elite Class are happy to have die and go away.... have some patience please, plans must be devised which takes time.....not knowing what the health system will look like does not help.

Uh, no. This was heavily covered for at least the last 10 years. You may have missed it. My GF used to counsel individuals and families from all strata of society who are affected by this menace. My niece got caught up in this addiction about 10 years ago, she was lucky, she got help and she is clean now. You have no idea...
 
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Uh, no. This was heavily covered for at least the last 10 years. You may have missed it. My GF used to counsel individuals and families from all strata of society who are affected by this menace. My niece got caught up in this addiction about 10 years ago, she was lucky, she got help and she is clean now. You have no idea...

I have already documented that there was no interest from the OBAMA Administration till after Trump was talking about it at the rallies. Sure there was a lot of coverage in effected communities at times, though my community did its best to avoid talking about the problem, but nationally there was not much.



EDIT: Check out the current NYT front page piece on the Bronx.....notice how they say that this is a quiet epidemic...this has very often been on the hush hush because communities are both embarrassed and powerless to stop it. We needed Washington here, and we got ignored.
 
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Nobody does but at least we are finally working on it. Near as I can tell Obama never mentioned it till fall of 2015, after Trump had been on the trail talking about it, and before that the Fed Gov been barely concerned with the problem at any level, it was the locals and maybe a few states only who saw this coming in any reasonable time frame.

Reminds me a lot actually of how we ****ed up Ebola in Africa last go around....just really bad performance from nearly everyone till the crisis was huge.

No....Ebola was spreading and Obama sent in the US military to assist, and the epidemic was controlled. You think Trump would send in assistance during an outbreak? Hell, he hints at stopping assistance in Puerto Rico, and that is an American territory.
 
No....Ebola was spreading and Obama sent in the US military to assist, and the epidemic was controlled. You think Trump would send in assistance during an outbreak? Hell, he hints at stopping assistance in Puerto Rico, and that is an American territory.

We were extremely late to deal with Ebola the last time, just as we were here, through negligence.
 
We were extremely late to deal with Ebola the last time, just as we were here, through negligence.

And the conservatives on this forum were against Obama sending troops in to stop the epidemic....
 
Well, here's an interesting story about some nice people who made a mint off of Oxy:
The Secretive Family Making Billions From the Opioid Crisis

The descendants of Mortimer and Raymond Sackler, a pair of psychiatrist brothers from Brooklyn, are members of a billionaire clan with homes scattered across Connecticut, London, Utah, Gstaad, the Hamptons, and, especially, New York City. It was not until 2015 that they were noticed by Forbes, which added them to the list of America’s richest families. The magazine pegged their wealth, shared among twenty heirs, at a conservative $14 billion. (Descendants of Arthur Sackler, Mortimer and Raymond’s older brother, split off decades ago and are mere multi-millionaires.) To a remarkable degree, those who share in the billions appear to have abided by an oath of omertà: Never comment publicly on the source of the family’s wealth.

That may be because the greatest part of that $14 billion fortune tallied by Forbes came from OxyContin, the narcotic painkiller regarded by many public-health experts as among the most dangerous products ever sold on a mass scale. Since 1996, when the drug was brought to market by Purdue Pharma, the American branch of the Sacklers’ pharmaceutical empire, more than two hundred thousand people in the United States have died from overdoses of OxyContin and other prescription painkillers. Thousands more have died after starting on a prescription opioid and then switching to a drug with a cheaper street price, such as heroin. Not all of these deaths are related to OxyContin—dozens of other painkillers, including generics, have flooded the market in the past thirty years. Nevertheless, Purdue Pharma was the first to achieve a dominant share of the market for long-acting opioids, accounting for more than half of prescriptions by 2001.
 
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