• This is a political forum that is non-biased/non-partisan and treats every person's position on topics equally. This debate forum is not aligned to any political party. In today's politics, many ideas are split between and even within all the political parties. Often we find ourselves agreeing on one platform but some topics break our mold. We are here to discuss them in a civil political debate. If this is your first visit to our political forums, be sure to check out the RULES. Registering for debate politics is necessary before posting. Register today to participate - it's free!

Lying to kids about drugs is the wrong strategy

Winston

Advanced stage dementia patient pls support my run
DP Veteran
Joined
Jan 24, 2017
Messages
24,284
Reaction score
23,176
Gender
Male
Political Leaning
Progressive
Soon as kids discover that they've been lied to about weed since grade school, it makes them question the whole integrity of the DARE and anti drug movement.

There are legitimate dangers to drug abuse. But, propagandizing marijuana, the way the US does, leads to a backlash when the kids find out the truth.
 
Soon as kids discover that they've been lied to about weed since grade school, it makes them question the whole integrity of the DARE and anti drug movement.

There are legitimate dangers to drug abuse. But, propagandizing marijuana, the way the US does, leads to a backlash when the kids find out the truth.

I never see propagandizing on MJ ...?
 
I never see propagandizing on MJ ...?

e3ff6e75-c8de-4068-bfd8-ef17b17aac80.jpg
 
Soon as kids discover that they've been lied to about weed since grade school, it makes them question the whole integrity of the DARE and anti drug movement.

There are legitimate dangers to drug abuse. But, propagandizing marijuana, the way the US does, leads to a backlash when the kids find out the truth.

Weed does half a half-life of 30 minutes when smoked, versus say ingested in rock candy. Today's strains take you to 80 nanograms of THC per deciliter of blood; 30 minutes later you're still at 40, then 20, then 10; with 10 considered safe to drive---90 minutes to come down ;;
 
Weed does half a half-life of 30 minutes when smoked, versus say ingested in rock candy. Today's strains take you to 80 nanograms of THC per deciliter of blood; 30 minutes later you're still at 40, then 20, then 10; with 10 considered safe to drive---90 minutes to come down ;;

Not sure what you're saying.

What's the half life of alcohol?
 
Soon as kids discover that they've been lied to about weed since grade school, it makes them question the whole integrity of the DARE and anti drug movement.

There are legitimate dangers to drug abuse. But, propagandizing marijuana, the way the US does, leads to a backlash when the kids find out the truth.

You are right. Nämany kids didn't realize, what the discussion was about. The parents hadn't informed them.
 
I agree, if everybody acts like weed is the devil then when kids try it out and find out it isn't bad they may think harder drugs are being lied about as well.
 
I thought this was about society lying about drugs, so why is everyone focusing on weed?

Drugs in general have desireable effects that are played down by current attempts at emphasizing the dangers.

When kids are taught that you will go crazy, get sick, and die if you use drugs...then find out that drugs are "fun" and people don't all "go crazy, get sick, and die" they disbelieve all the dangers which creates a self-fulfilling prophecy.

Honest instruction about both merits and dangers is what is needed. That responsible use of some can be fine, the signs to watch out for leading to addiction, and the harms of overuse or misuse would go a long way towards keeping people safe.

Scare tactics simply fail.
 
Last edited:
I agree, if everybody acts like weed is the devil then when kids try it out and find out it isn't bad they may think harder drugs are being lied about as well.

I've been saying this for decades.
 
I've been saying this for decades.

It's been true forever. Most people who attack weed have never smoked. If they did they would realize that it's basically just a more fun way to get drunk.
 
Not sure what you're saying. What's the half life of alcohol?

Alcohol, ethanol, does not have a half-life; unfortunately it's the universal solvent with both polar and nonpolar ends in its molecule and attaches to brain receptors like no other drug, kicking pharmed molecules into the brain killing cells;

it just depends on the person with the one drink per hour limit and one hour after your last drink; ask the right people which messes them up the most--weed AFTER alcohol, or alcohol after weed;

One can find the half-life of any pharmed by typing it in and searching; extended release have much longer half-lives, normally taken AM like Effexor for PTSD and civilian depression;

Every patient should know their meds; WebMD is very good; PM psychotropics on heavy drinking is particularly dangerous; I'm not ready to weigh in yet on Vivitrol as a so-called non-addicting step down from heroin and alcohol ::
 
Soon as kids discover that they've been lied to about weed since grade school, it makes them question the whole integrity of the DARE and anti drug movement.

There are legitimate dangers to drug abuse. But, propagandizing marijuana, the way the US does, leads to a backlash when the kids find out the truth.

You don't think a good lie will work?
 
We lie to the kids constantly, we lie to ourselves constantly, we do not value or practice truth.

Yes, the kids notice, and since bad behavior tends to get charged in life it is no shock that justice comes for a visit here.
 
Last edited:
I thought this was about society lying about drugs, so why is everyone focusing on weed?

Drugs in general have desireable effects that are played down by current attempts at emphasizing the dangers.

When kids are taught that you will go crazy, get sick, and die if you use drugs...then find out that drugs are "fun" and people don't all "go crazy, get sick, and die" they disbelieve all the dangers which creates a self-fulfilling prophecy.

Honest instruction about both merits and dangers is what is needed. That responsible use of some can be fine, the signs to watch out for leading to addiction, and the harms of overuse or misuse would go a long way towards keeping people safe.

Scare tactics simply fail.

Plus, bringing it out in the open allows for monitoring by one's familial/social group. When it has to be hidden one can get much farther down a bad road before someone can intervene.
 
It's been true forever. Most people who attack weed have never smoked. If they did they would realize that it's basically just a more fun way to get drunk.

I actually think that the more fun part is why resistance has been so strong.

Alcohol has punishment built right in.

So it suits societies where religions are generally "you suck! You better get it together or you're screwed for eternity". All fun must be discouraged. Its hard to sell paradise after death if life is good.

With pot you can get so faded you pass out. And at worst maybe feel logy and foggy for an hour or so.
 
Alcohol, ethanol, does not have a half-life; unfortunately it's the universal solvent with both polar and nonpolar ends in its molecule and attaches to brain receptors like no other drug, kicking pharmed molecules into the brain killing cells;

it just depends on the person with the one drink per hour limit and one hour after your last drink; ask the right people which messes them up the most--weed AFTER alcohol, or alcohol after weed;

One can find the half-life of any pharmed by typing it in and searching; extended release have much longer half-lives, normally taken AM like Effexor for PTSD and civilian depression;

Every patient should know their meds; WebMD is very good; PM psychotropics on heavy drinking is particularly dangerous; I'm not ready to weigh in yet on Vivitrol as a so-called non-addicting step down from heroin and alcohol ::

Can you tell me what you mean by the bolded statement?

TIA...
 
Can you tell me what you mean by the bolded statement?

TIA...

PM psychotropics are unable to attach to brain receptors when too much alcohol has been consumed, causing them to roam freely in the brain killing brain cells; slow motion Alzheimer's ...
 
(shrug).

I've always been honest with my son, and with younger family members, and told the truth as best I knew it.


Lots of bad drugs out there. Crack and meth are very addictive and can be fatal.

Weed? I've always said that in and of itself weed isn't really any worse than booze; maybe not as bad in some ways. BUT....

One problem with weed is it is illegal. Getting it means committing a crime, and coming into contact with criminals. Some of those criminals also deal harder drugs they'd like to get you hooked on; some of them are violent.

A good number of weed smokers go on to try other drugs. It isn't necessarily automatic but it does happen pretty often, due to the crowd you end up hanging with some of them do other drugs and druggies tend to like company.

Most long-term heavy weed smokers, especially those who started in their teens, seem to be chronic underachievers and often less than intellectually sharp. I don't know the stats or exact "causes" here, just an observation.

Some recent studies say weed smoking while your brain is still developing is bad for brain development...


Best to stay away from it. Best to avoid alcohol too unless you partake only in moderation and you're 100% sure you have it under control.
 
Which is worse, weed after alcohol or alcohol after weed? IMHO, those who get stoned first drink far less alcohol. Weed after drinking is a for certain spin out.

Colorado, where weed is not illegal of course, has done extensive testing for decades on THC levels in the blood and has mostly settled on ten nanograms of THC per deciliter of blood as safe to drive, though that is the amount that everyday users wake up with.

The best rule of thumb is to use the 30-minute half-life of THC; strong strains take you to 80; this requires at least a 90-minute waiting period before driving safely ;;;
 
Most long-term heavy weed smokers, especially those who started in their teens, seem to be chronic underachievers and often less than intellectually sharp. I don't know the stats or exact "causes" here, just an observation.

Some recent studies say weed smoking while your brain is still developing is bad for brain development...

And, in contrast, pretty much everyone I know from college smoked and still do. All but one are successful working professionals (the other's an artist) in one field or another. I'd chalk that observation of up to an anecdotal luck of the draw.

I'd also note that given the huge stigma government propaganda managed to attach to marijuana and the fact that businesses dutifully followed the government's War on Drugs by using drug testing, working professionals were/are far less likely to admit to smoking - at least not to people they don't know very well. The end result is that the public was presented with a skewed picture for several decades: people who ingest marijuana are lazy layabouts. Etc.

The only real area we have any suggestion of actual causal harm is what you mentioned at the end. It may harm a developing brain.

When it comes to abuse (as opposed to moderate use) of a substance, we do at least know that alcohol causes far more damage than marijuana.





Yet, when I was subjected to our silly anti-drug "education" programs, the picture painted was that booze is bad but if you see a joint run for your life (mild exaggeration).
 
Last edited:
Which is worse, weed after alcohol or alcohol after weed? IMHO, those who get stoned first drink far less alcohol. Weed after drinking is a for certain spin out.

Colorado, where weed is not illegal of course, has done extensive testing for decades on THC levels in the blood and has mostly settled on ten nanograms of THC per deciliter of blood as safe to drive, though that is the amount that everyday users wake up with.

The best rule of thumb is to use the 30-minute half-life of THC; strong strains take you to 80; this requires at least a 90-minute waiting period before driving safely ;;;


And the bolded, naturally, is why the booze industry has thrown a lot of money into opposing marijuana legalization efforts.
 
Back
Top Bottom