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Booker introduces bill to legalize marijuana nationwide

Helix said:
it won't pass now, but it probably will eventually.
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"Probably"? By whatever name or number, we as a society have had enough of gangs making money of cannabis instead of us making that money in the form of taxes. Only the most absurdly ignorant fossils entertain fantasies of reefer madness. Everyone knows it's not as bad as alcohol.

There's no probably. It's an embarrassment we're not paying for schools with sales, income and capital tax.

And getting people convicted of BS out of prisons? That's a good idea too.
 
ecofarm said:
"Probably"? By whatever name or number, we as a society have had enough of gangs making money of cannabis instead of us making that money in the form of taxes. Only the most absurdly ignorant fossils entertain fantasies of reefer madness. Everyone knows it's not as bad as alcohol.

There's no probably. It's an embarrassment we're not paying for schools with sales, income and capital tax.

And getting people convicted of BS out of prisons? That's a good idea too.
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i don't disagree with any of this.
 
Roadvirus said:
Great...a whole nation of potheads. Just what we need.
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I've not seen any data which indicate that people have difficulty obtaining the pot.

Iirc, it's easier for high school students to get the pot than to get alcohol.
So, maybe if the pot becomes like alcohol, we'll be improving things.
 
ocean515 said:
What does it take to grow weed? Pretty simple process. When regulation and taxation are added to the cost, the black market will thrive.

It's already happening here in Southern California. And it's an issue that is recognized elsewhere.

Legal pot businesses struggle to compete with black market | KGW.com

As a product of the late sixties and early seventies, I've consumed my fair share of weed. I left that decades ago when I realized it's a bit difficult to get inspired and motivated when loaded. How will that play out for the future?

I think that will be an issue that will come back to bite.
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You don't know ANYTHING about growing good pot. My dad helps to offset his girlfriend's pot cost by growing some himself. In order to get big, fat, sticky buds, it takes close control of water, light and fertilizer. Too much or too little of any of them at the wrong time can ruin your crop and just give you a bunch of leaves, scrawny little buds or pretty flowers.
 
ThoughtEx. said:
Yes, yes it is to much to ask. For one your asking us to continue handing out felony sentences to people until law enforcement has a way to combat something that would be a misdemeanor. Another reason is, we had cars and alcohol way before the breathalyzer and somehow still managed. If you're able to pass a field sobriety test, you are in fact not impaired. Whether you're under the influence or not.

So it's unreasonable to stall legalization just because we don't have a test. It's obviously propaganda put out by law enforcement who have a vested interest in keeping their cash cow illegal. They don't want to see that war on drug money dry up, or lose their ability to seize assets for resale.
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So instead of learning from our mistakes, let's repeat them... A field sobriety test is not an unreasonable demand before legalizing pot.
 
faithful_servant said:
So instead of learning from our mistakes, let's repeat them... A field sobriety test is not an unreasonable demand before legalizing pot.
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So you're ok with people getting prison sentences handed down to them for a crime you acknowledge shouldn't be a crime for a tool most feel isn't even necessary? "I'm sorry Mr. Jones, you're going to prison for five years because we can't find a good way to catch potheads on moving violations." Sounds a bit ridiculous to me.
 
faithful_servant said:
You don't know ANYTHING about growing good pot. My dad helps to offset his girlfriend's pot cost by growing some himself. In order to get big, fat, sticky buds, it takes close control of water, light and fertilizer. Too much or too little of any of them at the wrong time can ruin your crop and just give you a bunch of leaves, scrawny little buds or pretty flowers.
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Without going into detail, I can assure you your assumption is completely wrong.
 
ThoughtEx. said:
So you're ok with people getting prison sentences handed down to them for a crime you acknowledge shouldn't be a crime for a tool most feel isn't even necessary? "I'm sorry Mr. Jones, you're going to prison for five years because we can't find a good way to catch potheads on moving violations." Sounds a bit ridiculous to me.
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So it's either one extreme or another?? Complete legalization or a Class A felony? And people wonder why the pot legalization movement gets such a bad rap. We can keep pot illegal as a misdemeanor or Class C felony until we have systems in place so that we don't have to repeat the mistakes of our past. But that's simple commons sense and thus will completely escape far too many 'pot legalizers'.
 
ocean515 said:
Without going into detail, I can assure you your assumption is completely wrong.
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Well I'll let my dad and his friend who runs a commercial growing facility (started as a legal service for people with medical marijuana cards and who taught him all he knows) know that someone on the internet thinks that the science behind getting a plant to develop large buds, then stop them from blooming at just the right time, while still maintaining a plant that's strong enough to sustain that growth is 'simple'.
 
ocean515 said:
What does it take to grow weed? Pretty simple process. When regulation and taxation are added to the cost, the black market will thrive.

It's already happening here in Southern California. And it's an issue that is recognized elsewhere.

Legal pot businesses struggle to compete with black market | KGW.com

As a product of the late sixties and early seventies, I've consumed my fair share of weed. I left that decades ago when I realized it's a bit difficult to get inspired and motivated when loaded. How will that play out for the future?

I think that will be an issue that will come back to bite.
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I'm more worried about the violence and death toll from the alcohol gangs that we've suffered under since we lifted Prohibi.....

Oh, hold on a sec....

Maybe I'm thinking of all the wildcatters growing their own tobacco and making their own black market cigarettes.
 
faithful_servant said:
Well I'll let my dad and his friend who runs a commercial growing facility (started as a legal service for people with medical marijuana cards and who taught him all he knows) know that someone on the internet thinks that the science behind getting a plant to develop large buds, then stop them from blooming at just the right time, while still maintaining a plant that's strong enough to sustain that growth is 'simple'.
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Reel it in. Didn't mean to insult your daddy and his friend.

I don't give a damn about the science, etc.. If you notice, that hasn't been my point.
 
faithful_servant said:
So it's either one extreme or another?? Complete legalization or a Class A felony? And people wonder why the pot legalization movement gets such a bad rap. We can keep pot illegal as a misdemeanor or Class C felony until we have systems in place so that we don't have to repeat the mistakes of our past. But that's simple commons sense and thus will completely escape far too many 'pot legalizers'.
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No rational purpose is served by maintaining its illegal status. None. Zero. Nada. Zilch.
 
ocean515 said:
Don't believe there won't be a black market for weed, once regulation and taxation is attached to it. That would be very naive.

I really don't care about the subject. If people want to alter their perceptions, go for it. The repercussions, if any, will be their burden.

I sense this whole thing won't end well, but, who am I to say?
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On what are you basing your theory? Alcohol was illegal during prohibition. Is there a black market for alcohol?
 
Tanngrisnir said:
I'm more worried about the violence and death toll from the alcohol gangs that we've suffered under since we lifted Prohibi.....

Oh, hold on a sec....

Maybe I'm thinking of all the wildcatters growing their own tobacco and making their own black market cigarettes.
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Smoke some more bud, I'm sure you'll think of even more nonsense you can share here.
 
ThoughtEx. said:
So you're ok with people getting prison sentences handed down to them for a crime you acknowledge shouldn't be a crime for a tool most feel isn't even necessary? "I'm sorry Mr. Jones, you're going to prison for five years because we can't find a good way to catch potheads on moving violations." Sounds a bit ridiculous to me.
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ocean515 said:
Smoke some more bud, I'm sure you'll think of even more nonsense you can share here.
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I don't partake, but I can see why you need to pretend you didn't understand what I posted.

Your arguments are laughable and not based in reality. Reality dictates that what was once illegal and is now legal has not generated any black markets of significance.

Case dismissed.
 
ocean515 said:
Reel it in. Didn't mean to insult your daddy and his friend.

I don't give a damn about the science, etc.. If you notice, that hasn't been my point.
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I just don't like stupidity (I get that from dear old dad, along with his green thumb). Say something stupid and I'm going to tell that you just said something stupid.
 
faithful_servant said:
Keep in mind that this will also drive up the cost of pot. My dad's girlfriend uses it for pain relief (in her words: "It doesn't really stop the pain, it just makes me care less about it.") and when she had to buy it from illegal sources, it was a lot cheaper. Now if we legalize it, some of the people who are using it for pain management won't be able to afford it. Nasty little Catch 22...
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The legal stuff is a lot more potent. (So I've heard).
 
Tanngrisnir said:
No rational purpose is served by maintaining its illegal status. None. Zero. Nada. Zilch.
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Except to reduce the number of people getting killed by stoned drivers (going up FAST here in Oregon, but getting under reported by the media) and calls to poison control centers for kids eating pot candy, cookies, etc. that looks just like regular candy, cookies, etc.
 
Tanngrisnir said:
I don't partake, but I can see why you need to pretend you didn't understand what I posted.

Your arguments are laughable and not based in reality. Reality dictates that what was once illegal and is now legal has not generated any black markets of significance.

Case dismissed.
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LOL

I'd try to cut and run too if I made arguments like yours.

Any time regulations and taxes add to the cost of a luxury item like week, alcohol, or cigarettes, a black market rises up to take advantage.

Every time.

For example:

https://www.wsj.com/articles/SB1040938577857473793

In New York, a Black Market For Illegal Cigarettes Thrives​

Reality appears to be a mystery for some.....
 
ocean515 said:
There is a black market for weed today in legal states. It's widely reported.

Are you disputing all these reports? If so, on what basis?

FYI, Illegal distilling of alcohol for distribution continues today.

Making Moonshine At Home Is On The Rise. But It's Still Illegal : The Salt : NPR
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What I'm disputing is that in WA that whatever "black market" exists is having any significant impact on legal sales. CA just legalized recreational. Even if the black market product is cheaper, most folks prefer to get the product legally.

Marijuana sales in Washington state top $1 billion: Report - Washington Times
 
jimbo said:
They didn't legalize in your state. Your state just agreed with itself to violate federal law.

That's the reason for Booker's bill. and IMO it's about time. Either we should enforce the law or change the law.
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Not that's accurate. Nevada isn't violating any federal laws. They've legalized pot under Nevada state law and are completely within their Constitutional rights to do so.
 
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