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Marijuana Addiction

calamity said:
On a slight side-note, but related to your post: I am amazed at the ability of the human body's ability to stay alive. Be it Keith Richards or some guy weighing 150 lbs over his ideal weight, freaking humans seem to keep going and going and going...
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Or Dick Cheney. That man must be a robot.
 
americanwoman said:
For sure!
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I developed a taste for grilled cheese and mayo, fried on a skillet. I think that was 9th grade.

If my parents were hip, they would have for sure busted me.
 
ecofarm said:
Weed suppresses dream awareness (everyone dreams, the question is being aware of them) and has been prescribed for such in cases of problems with nightmares. It's the one real cost of smoking it, especially if one actively pursues lucid dreaming. Lucid dreaming is a means of harvesting the 1/3 of ones life spent sleeping. People worry about losing or gaining a few years while ignoring the fact that 1/3 of their life is unnecessarily spent in darkness.
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Any evidence it messes with REM sleep in general? I usually feel groggy the morning after a night of weed. Like I didn't get enough sleep, even when I get my standard 8 hours.
 
Skeptic Bob said:
Any evidence it messes with REM sleep in general? I usually feel groggy the morning after a night of weed. Like I didn't get enough sleep, even when I get my standard 8 hours.
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I dunno if it messes with REM sleep or somehow otherwise impedes dream awareness. It'd be interesting to look into.

We approach lucidity (consciousness) as a dream becomes unrealistic. As we approach lucidity, first we see color in a dream. This knowledge alone can become a trigger for lucidity. If color doesn't wake ones consciousness, one might achieve consciousness while dreaming because of an obviously impossible event in the dream. Often, I'll finally snap into consciousness while dreaming by managing to say, in the dream, "hey, I'm dreaming". While lucid I've studied, edited my papers and other productive activities. I actually look at my paper, page by page, see errors, wake up and correct them. I'm not always productive, though. Mostly I just go swimming in exotic or bizarre locations (I'm not a fan of heights, or I'd fly more often).

There are monks that go directly into lucid dreams, maintain their conscious awareness and wake directly from lucidity (the time to enter and exit REM cannot be lucid because one's not dreaming). Aside from time into and out of REM, these monks never lose consciousness. They spend their entire lives aware of the world around them, exploring it and analyzing it and themselves.

The closer one gets to lucidity, the more one remembers about a dream. If someone remembers a dream vividly, they were very close to waking their consciousness while dreaming.

For more about lucid dreaming, I recommend Patricia Garfield's "Creative Dreaming".


Here's my theory (pulled from my 4th point of contact) about weed suppressing dream awareness:

Weed makes one more vulnerable to suggestion. One is less likely to call "BS" on ones own thoughts, notions or ideas. This could suppress the progress of ones consciousness to awareness in a dream. If one is not questioning the events of a dream, one will not arouse ones consciousness.

Or it could be a REM disruption thing, as you speculate.

Side note: It's unfortunate that most people's closest experience with lucid dreaming is when something terrible is happening in a dream and they say "I'm only dreaming, I can wake up". And they tear themselves from the dream, waking in a sweat. Most people have done that.
 
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ecofarm said:
I dunno if it messes with REM sleep or somehow otherwise impedes dream awareness. It'd be interesting to look into.

We approach lucidity (consciousness) as a dream becomes unrealistic. As we approach lucidity, first we see color in a dream. This knowledge alone can become a trigger for lucidity. If color doesn't wake ones consciousness, one might achieve consciousness while dreaming because of an obviously impossible event in the dream. Often, I'll finally snap into consciousness while dreaming by managing to say, in the dream, "hey, I'm dreaming". While lucid I've studied, edited my papers and other productive activities. I actually look at my paper, page by page, see errors, wake up and correct them. I'm not always productive, though. Mostly I just go swimming in exotic or bizarre locations (I'm not a fan of heights, or I'd fly more often).

There are monks that go directly into lucid dreams, maintain their conscious awareness and wake directly from lucidity (the time to enter and exit REM cannot be lucid because one's not dreaming). Aside from time into and out of REM, these monks never lose consciousness. They spend their entire lives aware of the world around them, exploring it and analyzing it and themselves.

The closer one gets to lucidity, the more one remembers about a dream. If someone remembers a dream vividly, they were very close to waking their consciousness while dreaming.

For more about lucid dreaming, I recommend Patricia Garfield's "Creative Dreaming".


Here's my theory (pulled from my 5th point of contact) about weed suppressing dream awareness:

Weed makes one more vulnerable to suggestion. One is less likely to call "BS" on ones own thoughts,notions or ideas. This could suppress the progress of ones consciousness to awareness in a dream. If one is not questioning the events of a dream, one will not arouse ones consciousness.

Or it could be a REM disruption thing, as you speculate.
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I have very lucid dreams, all the time, I start to recognize memes that occur in dreams all the time, then question them...once you break down the dream, you can control it.
 
"you can control it." bh #85
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Some can.
But I'm not sure directing ones own dream script is as important as understanding its symbolism.

We can discover things about ourselves by competent dream analysis that when recognized and understood can benefit us substantially.

Dreams are a resource, even if most persons squander their value in ignorance.
 
Skeptic Bob said:
Any evidence it messes with REM sleep in general? I usually feel groggy the morning after a night of weed. Like I didn't get enough sleep, even when I get my standard 8 hours.
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For me, pot changes my quality of sleep and pattern of dreaming. Not sure if it's REM interference, but it does change my dream patterns. With no pot in my system, my dreams are more lucid and easy to remember.
 
Two points that may be of benefit here.
" With no pot in my system, my dreams are more lucid and easy to remember. " T7
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The minor point is:
with "pot" in system dreams would be less lucid, because the patient is stoned whether awake or asleep.

The potentially more useful point is, subtle things can cause us to forget dream content.
Dr. Marion Paull recommends keeping a clipboard and pen at bedside, and keeping physical body motion to a minimum when awakening.
Then note dream highlights in outline form, and fill in the gaps while you're awakening.

Stick with it and you can discover some things about yourself that may surprise you.

PS
Among the most important questions a dream analyst can ask about a dreamed image or scenario is:

"What does that image or symbol mean TO YOU? What does it remind you of?"
 
sear said:
Two points that may be of benefit here.

The minor point is:
with "pot" in system dreams would be less lucid, because the patient is stoned whether awake or asleep.

The potentially more useful point is, subtle things can cause us to forget dream content.
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Fair enough, though the apparent effects wear off in perhaps an hour.


Dr. Marion Paull recommends keeping a clipboard and pen at bedside, and keeping physical body motion to a minimum when awakening.
Then note dream highlights in outline form, and fill in the gaps while you're awakening.

Stick with it and you can discover some things about yourself that may surprise you.

PS
Among the most important questions a dream analyst can ask about a dreamed image or scenario is:

"What does that image or symbol mean TO YOU? What does it remind you of?"
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Patricia Garfield, in "Creative Dreaming", writes the same things.
 
"Fair enough, though the apparent effects wear off in perhaps an hour." ef #89
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But the chemistry reportedly remains in the body for about a month, complicating DUI complications in Colorado, etc.

We can assume, but do not know for certain whether the chemistry that remains in the body affect the awake mind, and the dreaming mind both equally, and for equal duration.
Possibly not.
"Patricia Garfield, in "Creative Dreaming", writes the same things." ef
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Perhaps one of them inspired or informed the other.

Reportedly, Al Bell isn't the only guy to invent the telephone. But reportedly Al got to the patent office a few minutes earlier than the other guy. [source: Paul Harvey]
 
sear said:
A lot of dopers think that.

But get zonked on drugs, stagger into the forest, and get bit by a venomous reptile (rattle snake, copperhead, doesn't much matter) and it may end up being the last mistake they make.

If you want to catch a buzz, crack a Moose Head while watching Stanley Cup play on the flat panel.
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Lol, makes sense considering where you're from.
 
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