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Legal pot and car crashes: Yes, there's a link

Like how the HLDI is associated with the insurance companies that don't want to pay out, lol.

So first off, I'm sure they can find marijuana in someone's system who has been in a car wreck, but that doesn't mean it was a contributing factor to the crash as it can remain in one's system for far long than is active.

Secondly, CO has some terrible drivers, and it's not because of legal weed. It's because assholes from Texas and California are moving into this state in droves. Probably because we have legal weed, lol.

So people from Texas and California are worse drivers than those in Colorado? I've lived in Colorado and California. I've been to Texas many, many times. I think they all drive about the same.
 
So people from Texas and California are worse drivers than those in Colorado? I've lived in Colorado and California. I've been to Texas many, many times. I think they all drive about the same.

Not in the snow.
 
Not in the snow.

I've driven through snow storms in Dallas and skied in California. The skiing is better in Colorado, though.
 
Like how the HLDI is associated with the insurance companies that don't want to pay out, lol.

So first off, I'm sure they can find marijuana in someone's system who has been in a car wreck, but that doesn't mean it was a contributing factor to the crash as it can remain in one's system for far long than is active.

Secondly, CO has some terrible drivers, and it's not because of legal weed. It's because assholes from Texas and California are moving into this state in droves. Probably because we have legal weed, lol.

So you should be allowed to get baked and drive? **** that. High or drunk drivers need to be smothered on scene. Don't make excuses. Demand a reliable test. ****ing hate people who drive under the influence. (Not saying you are for it or have done it...i just know where it is going for both sides).
 
You're exited that what? An institute with a blatant conflict of interest finally put something together that sounds scientific and shows weed is dangerous and you can stick it to those stoners on the forums? You need a hobby.

This thread, and others like it = 'the hobby'.

Weed is fat soluble and can stay in your body up to a month after it's no longer having any mental or physical effect. Alcohol is water soluble and is usually gone within 24 hours.
 
So you should be allowed to get baked and drive? **** that. High or drunk drivers need to be smothered on scene. Don't make excuses. Demand a reliable test. ****ing hate people who drive under the influence. (Not saying you are for it or have done it...i just know where it is going for both sides).

Did I say you should be able to? No. I just said we cannot peg the stats at it yet.
 
I've driven through snow storms in Dallas and skied in California. The skiing is better in Colorado, though.

Well all you have to do is look at I-25 when a few snow flakes fall, and see all the Texans and Californians in the ditch, lol.
 
This is from 1978.
The Problem is the User

It's not "safe", but neither is cold medicine.

The most dangerous I ever felt behind the wheel was one time when I had a nasty flu and had to get to a doc immediately.

I'm not offering anything otherwise.

Other than ............peeps need to be careful.

I support legal pot, always have. Have fun!!!!
 
I'm not offering anything otherwise.

Other than ............peeps need to be careful.

I support legal pot, always have. Have fun!!!!

I'm not a 'user' per se, but I have used it before and have developed a rather severe nerve problem that it could possibly help.

I'm extremely careful, always have been.:peace
 
Did I say you should be able to? No. I just said we cannot peg the stats at it yet.

And so we sure as **** need a real test for it. Right now? No reliable test? Don't smoke pot and get behind a wheel. Period. No excuses.
 
Whatever the ills of legalizing, they're outweighed by the ills of the Drug War.

As always, I'd rather live with the problems of too much freedom than those of too little.

Your "freedom" fuels crime, destroys lives and families and makes society worse.
 
You really should read these articles before posting them.

1. They admitted that actual studies do not find a link: According to the HLDI, past researchers haven't been able to "definitively connect marijuana use with real-world crashes," and even a federal study failed to find such a link. "Studies on the effects of legalizing marijuana for medical use have also been inconclusive," said the HLDI.



2. They did not do an actual study to look for causation. They simply compared states with legalized pot to their neighboring states. They did not compare them to other states one would expect to see the same effect IF it were true that decreased criminalization causes more accidents, like the very many states with decriminalization. They also did not compare them to states with similar urban vs. rural populations, or similar speed limits, or any other attempt to find a good comparison. They just looked at neighboring states, apparently.

3. As usual, they talk about marijuana "showing up more frequently among people involved in crashes." Well, guess what: marijuana is detectable in urine up to 28 DAYS after smoking, and longer in the blood. I wouldn't be surprised if more people in general had detectable THC metabolites in legalization states, but that doesn't tell us anything about whether they were high at the time or whether their being high was the cause of the accident.

4.They also don't mention whether people are being tested more often after crashes. If police wanted to argue that pot was bad, they would ramp up testing of drivers post-legalization, which in turn would turn up more people who had smoked. That would make the data bad. The rate of testing would have to remain the same for an increase to have a shot at being meaningful.

5. The same results would appear if the unnamed "neighboring states" saw an overall decrease in crashes while in-state crashes remained constant. Because, again, they're talking about collision claim rates (not crash rates, actually) in legalization states relative to collision claim rates in unspecified neighboring states.

6. There also is no comparison to each state's historical rate of crashes. Hell, as noted, we don't even know if the legalization states' crash rates themselves increased. We don't know if there has been a general upward or downward trend lately.

7. As your article notes, the group is funded by insurers whose "vested interested" is "not having to pay claims". Gee, I wonder if they have anything to gain by setting the groundwork for denying claims if someone tests positive for a drug they may not have ingested for four weeks.

8. There is absolutely no discussion of any attempt to determine any other possible causes. Were speed limits on highways raised? Were city speed limits raised? Are more people texting and driving? Etc.




Just because the media says something is "tied to" something does not make it so. The media says all sorts of garbage. You need to carefully parse the article to see what is actually being said, which is that there were more insurance claims submitted for collisions in four legalization states, as compared to neighboring states which may or may not be good comparisons.

Mr. Pearson, a car driven by someone high could kill everyone you know and you'd still say pot had nothing to do with it.
 
Mr. Pearson, a car driven by someone high could kill everyone you know and you'd still say pot had nothing to do with it.

When you have no response but a personal attack (a weak one at that), that says something, now doesn't it?


For once, why don't you try replying point-by-point to a post that was designed to communicate you? Do you really want the only reaction you get to be (A) "I agree with the topic so I'll 'like' her post, or (B) "Well, I know she never responds directly to anything she doesn't want to hear, so I'll treat this silly thread as another fart in the wind"?
 
Your "freedom" fuels crime, destroys lives and families and makes society worse.

Your drug war does all of that thousands of times worse.
 
When you have no response but a personal attack (a weak one at that), that says something, now doesn't it?


For once, why don't you try replying point-by-point to a post that was designed to communicate you? Do you really want the only reaction you get to be (A) "I agree with the topic so I'll 'like' her post, or (B) "Well, I know she never responds directly to anything she doesn't want to hear, so I'll treat this silly thread as another fart in the wind"?

It wasn't a personal attack, it was an observation on your partisanship in this matter.
 
Your drug war does all of that thousands of times worse.

Not even close. The reality of "legalizing" drugs is it pushes the darkness into the shadows, and then no one is fighting it. While I agree there have been mistakes in the drug war, the answer isn't to legalize it.
 
Not even close. The reality of "legalizing" drugs is it pushes the darkness into the shadows, and then no one is fighting it. While I agree there have been mistakes in the drug war, the answer isn't to legalize it.

We have the highest rate of incarceration in the world solely because of the drug war. That rips apart families. Nearly all gang-related crime, especially the murder, is because of the drug trade. We have people dying along our southern border because of drug smuggling.

That is all far, far worse that what you're worried about.

It's not like there isn't a previous example of widespread, er, prohibition which might be instructive or anything . . .
 
I'm not offering anything otherwise.

Other than ............peeps need to be careful.

I support legal pot, always have. Have fun!!!!

RUSN, I never took you to mean anything other than what you did. Sorry, I can see how my post would seem to indicate some opposition.

I was trying to close out the workload for the week and let myself attempt too many balls in the air at once.
 
Not even close. The reality of "legalizing" drugs is it pushes the darkness into the shadows, and then no one is fighting it. While I agree there have been mistakes in the drug war, the answer isn't to legalize it.

When you can present evidence of a good ROI for the 'war on drugs', both in dollars spent and body count, please present it. Include the dead Mexicans.

If you think the drug war just needs to be tweaked and it will work, explain yourself. The "war on guns" folks could use your new tactic, I'm sure.

Guess what? IT...CAN'T...WORK. BANS...MAKE...ILLEGAL...MARKETS; THEY = CRIME.

The "war on drugs" is something that was started at the end of the "war on alcohol" to keep some gubment employees 'employed'.

Keep doing the same thing the same way (or ramp it up), watch the results get worse.
 
RUSN, I never took you to mean anything other than what you did. Sorry, I can see how my post would seem to indicate some opposition.

I was trying to close out the workload for the week and let myself attempt too many balls in the air at once.

And I didn't....I was sort of preaching the the choir. ;)
 
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