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Medical marijuana could save taxpayers $1 billion on prescription drugs, study says

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Skeptic Bob said:
My wife gets horrible migraines that can incapacitate her. She is on daily meds that keep the migraines at bay most of the time but occasionally the migraine "breaks through" and her meds are useless. When that happens we have two options. One option is we can go to the emergency room where they hook her to an IV and give her a cocktail of various drugs that stop the migraine and knock her out for several hours. This is the option we have used for the bulk of the ten years we have been together.

Then I retired from the Army and started enjoying marijuana recreationally. So we had some on hand the next time her migraine broke through. She vaped some MJ and the migraine subsided over the course of 30 minutes. Weed has cut our ER room visits down significantly. And yes, we disclose the MJ use with her neurologist.

Now, it doesn't save us money because my insurance covers the ER visits and I have to procure the MJ through less official methods, but it does save us time, inconvenience, and unpleasant side-effects.
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So many wonderful medical benefits. Thanks a lot for sharing. What I'm looking forward to the most with growing legalization is the ability to select specific strains for specific conditions. I use it largely to treat my depression and anxiety, and I'd like to have a strain that helps in those areas (low or no THC, high CBD) without effecting my thinking ability throughout the day.
 
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RabidAlpaca said:
What are the social and financial costs of locking peaceful human beings in cages, and ruining their lives, for owning a plant you don't like? As much as you'd love to pretend that's not the case, most of us have real jobs, haven't destroyed our families, and just enjoy relaxing after a long day of work like others enjoy a glass of wine or beer.
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So you acknowledge there are social costs related to smoking marijuana that aren't in this cost analysis report.

Are these extra, unintended social costs worthwhile?
 
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cabse5 said:
So you acknowledge there are social costs related to smoking marijuana that aren't in this cost analysis report.

Are these extra, unintended social costs worthwhile?
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share with us what they are, how much they total, and why our society should be unwilling to bear such cisrs
 
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cabse5 said:
So you acknowledge there are social costs related to smoking marijuana that aren't in this cost analysis report.
Are these extra, unintended social costs worthwhile?
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I never acknowledged any social costs to allowing free human beings to decide which plants they wish to consume and which they don't. I did point out the horrific social and financial costs of locking human beings in cages for non-violent reasons.

Please state specifically what your position is. Do you feel that it's your right to dictate what other people do responsibly with their own bodies? Do you feel like I belong in a cage for preferring cannabis after a hard day of work instead of alcohol? You made it clear you think pretty much everyone who smokes cannabis is a family destroying, unemployed piece of ****. I'd like to see you back it up with any actual facts. Try giving freedom a chance.
 
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RabidAlpaca said:
I never acknowledged any social costs to allowing free human beings to decide which plants they wish to consume and which they don't. I did point out the horrific social and financial costs of locking human beings in cages for non-violent reasons.

Please state specifically what your position is. Do you feel that it's your right to dictate what other people do responsibly with their own bodies? Do you feel like I belong in a cage for preferring cannabis after a hard day of work instead of alcohol? You made it clear you think pretty much everyone who smokes cannabis is a family destroying, unemployed piece of ****. I'd like to see you back it up with any actual facts. Try giving freedom a chance.
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I find it quite difficult trying to debate personal liberties with a libertarian, like yourself. Do you believe in polygamy as well?
 
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Skeptic Bob said:
My wife gets horrible migraines that can incapacitate her. She is on daily meds that keep the migraines at bay most of the time but occasionally the migraine "breaks through" and her meds are useless. When that happens we have two options. One option is we can go to the emergency room where they hook her to an IV and give her a cocktail of various drugs that stop the migraine and knock her out for several hours. This is the option we have used for the bulk of the ten years we have been together.

Then I retired from the Army and started enjoying marijuana recreationally. So we had some on hand the next time her migraine broke through. She vaped some MJ and the migraine subsided over the course of 30 minutes. Weed has cut our ER room visits down significantly. And yes, we disclose the MJ use with her neurologist.

Now, it doesn't save us money because my insurance covers the ER visits and I have to procure the MJ through less official methods, but it does save us time, inconvenience, and unpleasant side-effects.
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Same here. I have Amyltrilene to keep them at bay. I get little ones off and on, but when Godzilla hits there is only one thing on this universe that can stop Godzilla once started is Sativa hybrid 65 to 70% and THC better than 20%. And it does so before all the vapor is inhaled.

I have never heard of cigarettes doing that, yet they are legal
 
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RAMOSS said:
What is as important as anything else.. the use of medical marijuana for pain control has reduced opiod overdoses and deaths where it can be prescribed.
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Better still it doesn't leave the patient addicted to opiates
 
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cabse5 said:
I find it quite difficult trying to debate personal liberties with a libertarian, like yourself. Do you believe in polygamy as well?
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I can understand your sentiment. And yes, if two or more adults want to willingly and without coercion enter into some kind of relationship agreement, I believe that's their freedom to do so. Fundamentally, I oppose the use of violence against non-violence. Can you explain why we should use extreme violence against people who are peacefully consuming an all natural plant that has been used by humans for thousands of years?
 
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RabidAlpaca said:
I can understand your sentiment. And yes, if two or more adults want to willingly and without coercion enter into some kind of relationship agreement, I believe that's their freedom to do so. Fundamentally, I oppose the use of violence against non-violence. Can you explain why we should use extreme violence against people who are peacefully consuming an all natural plant that has been used by humans for thousands of years?
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They might run their car off the road and kill themselves and/or someone else. The cost of the litter and trash from tent encampments full of unemployed marijuana smokers in the downtown Denver area costs the city of Denver millions of dollars. The federal government has to provide monies to some marijuana smokers who don't want to work due to THC's effect on the brain and the consequent lack of ambition.
 
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faithful_servant said:
So was opium... Care to legalize that?? Let's put a nice opium den next door to your pot dispensary.
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We are doing that, only we call them 'safe injection sites'. They are there to deal with the thousands of kids & adults for one reason or another, usually through prescription use have become addicted to opiates...the legal pain killer. But people don't go there to get addicted, they go their to safely feed the ****ing addiction that was probably given to him.

I want to save this post, a post that equates one of the world's mots addictive substance with marijuana, which for the record is less addictive than coffee.

Instead of demanding I prove it, look it up yourself.

But this post needs framing for it's 18th century thinking. Addiction is not a crime, it's a disease and every smoker in America has it.

Want to speculate how many coke, fenatyl, heroin and opium users take pot as a stepping stones out of addiction. Do you even know what is the most power and in use addiction substance?

Cigarettes.

Want to know where cigarettes are on the list of addictions? First, and coffee is not far behind, with pot somewhere around 17trh.
 
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cabse5 said:
They might run their car off the road and kill themselves and/or someone else. The cost of the litter and trash from tent encampments full of unemployed marijuana smokers in the downtown Denver area costs the city of Denver millions of dollars. The federal government has to provide monies to some marijuana smokers who don't want to work due to THC's effect on the brain and the consequent lack of ambition.
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So instead of actually telling me what beef you have with me and why I should be locked in a cage, you start making up some bull**** story about how all cannabis smokers are unemployed hoboes. Why don't we throw your ass in a cage for being an intolerant **** instead? You're a cancer to society.
 
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At least 60% of Americans and 4/5 hosts on "The Five, Fox News" (one liberal) support legalization. The fight is over, it's just a matter of time.

I look forward to the day when alcohol is looked down upon and cannabis is the standard for social gatherings and personal unwinding.

And let's start using it (the industrial variety) for paper production.
 
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cabse5 said:
So you acknowledge there are social costs related to smoking marijuana that aren't in this cost analysis report.

Are these extra, unintended social costs worthwhile?
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The laws against marijuana don't alleviate any of the perceived social ills. They just add to them, the laws multiply the bad effects on society. Once you take law enforcement out of the picture you give yourself a chance to address any other problems.As it is, you're too busy trying to reduce the harm prohibition is causing.
 
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cabse5 said:
They might run their car off the road and kill themselves and/or someone else. The cost of the litter and trash from tent encampments full of unemployed marijuana smokers in the downtown Denver area costs the city of Denver millions of dollars. The federal government has to provide monies to some marijuana smokers who don't want to work due to THC's effect on the brain and the consequent lack of ambition.
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There's already laws against impaired driving. That's a dumb argument, unless your name is Carrie Nation.
There's no denying that some people become dependent on drugs. How's the prohibition working? You satisfied with the status quo in terms of solving the drug problem?

Lemme explain this from a liberal point of view...
Legal is the default setting. You'd better have a damn good reason to make something illegal and the fact that it's bad for me isn't good enough. That's the conservative thing- if you shouldn't do something, there needs to be a law that you can't. If you should, there needs to be a law that you must. Conservatives think society can be designed by legislation.
Liberals think laws are for preventing people from hurting other people, not hurting themselves. Liberals see the convoluted collateral-costs-to-society arguments as just smoke and mirrors to justify laws against behaviour that conservatives disapprove of. A conservative looks at a thing like the drug problem and wants more laws, more LEO, stiffer sentences. A liberal looks at the drug problem and sees that the laws are causing the problem, not alleviating it.
Bottom line- prohibition not only doesn't work, it's counter-productive. Prohibition has created a very attractive, very lucrative industry. Two lucrative industries, come to think of it. Every year since drugs were made illegal the drug trade has increased. What would it take to tell you it's not working and should be given up?
 
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RabidAlpaca said:
So instead of actually telling me what beef you have with me and why I should be locked in a cage, you start making up some bull**** story about how all cannabis smokers are unemployed hoboes. Why don't we throw your ass in a cage for being an intolerant **** instead? You're a cancer to society.
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I need a safe space.;)
 
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cabse5 said:
I need a safe space.;)
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What you need is to stop demanding the government use violence against innocent people because you've fantasized up some bull**** threat to your safety. People have a right to domain over their own body. If we as a society can tolerate ignorant fascists who want to hurt other people, you can tolerate people that mind their own business in their own homes.
 
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faithful_servant said:
So was opium... Care to legalize that?? Let's put a nice opium den next door to your pot dispensary.
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I wonder if you would like to try to make the case that life and society are better off now that opium is illegal? I shan't hold my breath.
 
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jimbo said:
Is there any reason to believe that if marijuana is found to have medical benefits, that it will not be covered under the various government insurance programs?
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Marijuana was found to have medical benefits before you and I were born. Modern day ignorance does not change history.

National Formulary | definition of National Formulary by Medical dictionary

As recently as about 1981 a DEA Administrative Law Judge named Francis Young determined after days of testimony that "marijuana is one of the safest therapeutic substances known to man" and recommended that the substance be re-classified. Protecting its bureaucratic Golden Goose, the agency refused the judge's recommendation.
 
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Thoreau72 said:
Marijuana was found to have medical benefits before you and I were born. Modern day ignorance does not change history.

National Formulary | definition of National Formulary by Medical dictionary

As recently as about 1981 a DEA Administrative Law Judge named Francis Young determined after days of testimony that "marijuana is one of the safest therapeutic substances known to man" and recommended that the substance be re-classified. Protecting its bureaucratic Golden Goose, the agency refused the judge's recommendation.
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That's not my point. I am one of those that thinks MJ laws are silly and fruitless.

The question is why do you think that if MJ is found legal and beneficial in medicine it will not be covered by any government plan?

The article presumes that the consumer will continue paying for his drug out of pocket if found legally beneficial. That's not likely to happen. The push will then be to include it as a government paid drug. Do that and the billion dollar savings goes away.
 
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TheDemSocialist said:
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There are so many benefits to legalizing marijuana and here is just one of many. [/FONT][/COLOR]
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Obviously there are some dirivitives of marijuana with great medicinal benefits for some, cannibas oil for one, however there is no medicinal benefit to smoking weed. Stoners just want to get high.
 
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GottaGo said:
As long as the penalties for driving under the influence there of is as harsh, if not harsher than alcohol and other drugs, I really couldn't give a **** what people do behind closed doors.

And I mean closed doors. There was a time when I partied right along with everybody else, but around the time I turned 25, the smell just makes me nauseous.
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In my opinion, marijuana smells like a skunk took a sh*t on dirty sweat socks.
 
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RAMOSS said:
What is as important as anything else.. the use of medical marijuana for pain control has reduced opiod overdoses and deaths where it can be prescribed.
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Marijuana for pain control??????? nausea, maybe, but not pain.
 
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RabidAlpaca said:
What you need is to stop demanding the government use violence against innocent people because you've fantasized up some bull**** threat to your safety. People have a right to domain over their own body. If we as a society can tolerate ignorant fascists who want to hurt other people, you can tolerate people that mind their own business in their own homes.
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Who were the ignorant fascists who threw punches at the non-violent? Oh wait!
 
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