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Weed Nazis in The Florida Government

the war on pot is lost.

Victory (never defined) is not really the point. WAGING the war is what matters, because it increases the budgets of all the enforcement agencies, year after year. The drug prohibition is from the bureaucratic perspective, The Goose that Lays Golden Eggs, into perpetuity. The gift that keeps giving.
 
So last Nov. over 70% of We the People voted to legalize medical MJ. Given the right wing makeup of the government here, I knew something like this was coming, but I didn't expect it to be this insane. Freedom and Individual Liberty, my ass.:soap

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Im not surprised. The voters dont really care about freedom enough to stop voting in the same state legislators over and over. They will vote for it when theres an amendment before them, but they dont connect that to the person they are putting in office to enforce the amendment. We floridians are just as apathetic as the rest of the country.
 
LMAO!!!! Wow.

Maybe federally. But locally? State level? No. Sorry. Limited government is still something you see here. The left makes no pretenses about government size, and they certainly aren't for freedom.


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You're living in la la land if you actually believe the GOP stands for limited government. They may stand for limiting average citizens access to government, but they certainly do not retreat from forcing the will of government on those citizens.
 
Im not surprised. The voters dont really care about freedom enough to stop voting in the same state legislators over and over. They will vote for it when theres an amendment before them, but they dont connect that to the person they are putting in office to enforce the amendment. We floridians are just as apathetic as the rest of the country.

I'm still pretty new to the state (< 2 yrs.) but I have to agree. It's a sad state of affairs. I've lived in 4 other states, and it's essentially the same. I'm writing my congress critter, but I don't expect anything from it other than the opportunity to vent my displeasure.
 
Victory (never defined) is not really the point. WAGING the war is what matters, because it increases the budgets of all the enforcement agencies, year after year. The drug prohibition is from the bureaucratic perspective, The Goose that Lays Golden Eggs, into perpetuity. The gift that keeps giving.

"war is the health of the state". Forgot who said that, but it applies to every war. Have you ever lived through one that didn't result in bigger, more oppressive government?
 
You're living in la la land if you actually believe the GOP stands for limited government. They may stand for limiting average citizens access to government, but they certainly do not retreat from forcing the will of government on those citizens.

"Limiting average citizens access."

In other words cutting government. Further you aren't stipulating between state and federal. Which again...not the debate.


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LMAO!!!! Wow.

Maybe federally. But locally? State level? No. Sorry. Limited government is still something you see here. The left makes no pretenses about government size, and they certainly aren't for freedom.


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Both sides take certain freedoms very seriously and take others for granted or oppose them.

I wish we could all agree that as long as another's freedom doesn't encroach on yours, let him be. Live and let live. Keep the moralizing and control freak stuff in your own family (If THEY tolerate it:) .
 
Both sides take certain freedoms very seriously and take others for granted or oppose them.

I wish we could all agree that as long as another's freedom doesn't encroach on yours, let him be. Live and let live. Keep the moralizing and control freak stuff in your own family (If THEY tolerate it:) .

Vote independent then lol. Or vote for the Rand Paul's in your party.


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Vote independent then lol. Or vote for the Rand Paul's in your party.


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When I lived in a state where the outcome was a given (MD for example), OR if both parties really put up bad people I did that. When in a swing state and in some other circumstances I admit to doing the lesser evil thing. Instant runoff would help this problem, imo.

Another note : I'm NPA, so I can't vote in primaries. I prefer not to be associated with either party. lol...
 
When I lived in a state where the outcome was a given (MD for example), OR if both parties really put up bad people I did that. When in a swing state and in some other circumstances I admit to doing the lesser evil thing. Instant runoff would help this problem, imo.

Another note : I'm NPA, so I can't vote in primaries. I prefer not to be associated with either party. lol...

Not I. I'm obviously republican. And I try to vote for who I think is best for the party.

Take the last election...I do believe Trump will benefit my party in the long run...but he was not the best candidate. I voted for Cruz. Had too. Better for the party. Trump will only be good long run because he will force a change in the "Cruz" side of the Republican Party. Big election...didn't vote trump. Couldn't do it. Still voted independent. Didn't matter if it was stupid. My principles weren't worth it.


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Not I. I'm obviously republican. And I try to vote for who I think is best for the party.

Take the last election...I do believe Trump will benefit my party in the long run...but he was not the best candidate. I voted for Cruz. Had too. Better for the party. Trump will only be good long run because he will force a change in the "Cruz" side of the Republican Party. Big election...didn't vote trump. Couldn't do it. Still voted independent. Didn't matter if it was stupid. My principles weren't worth it.


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One of my Libertarian buddies tries to walk that walk. I know it's hard, but he claims to only have gone to the red side once since 2000.

I wish one of the parties fit me. But they don't. It's an issue with 2 party systems, I guess.
 
I'm still pretty new to the state (< 2 yrs.) but I have to agree. It's a sad state of affairs. I've lived in 4 other states, and it's essentially the same. I'm writing my congress critter, but I don't expect anything from it other than the opportunity to vent my displeasure.

Nope. And nothing will really change till the voters change it. Cant really blame congressman when they keep getting put back in office.
 
So last Nov. over 70% of We the People voted to legalize medical MJ. Given the right wing makeup of the government here, I knew something like this was coming, but I didn't expect it to be this insane. Freedom and Individual Liberty, my ass.:soap

This is an email from the Marijuana Policy Project:

MPP State Policy Alert
Florida House subcommittee passes restrictive bill
Make your voice heard!
Tell your legislator to oppose HB 1397.
TAKE ACTION


By a 14-1 vote, the House Health Quality subcommittee approved a measure that would limit how Florida patients can use medical marijuana.

Not only would patients be prohibited from smoking medical marijuana, but they would also be barred from buying more than a 90-day supply. Edibles would be outlawed, and vaping would only be allowed for terminal patients. However, a limitation on types of ingestion is not the only issue within HB 1397.

The bill would severely curtail the market for medical marijuana. Only seven dispensaries would serve the entire state until 200,000 patients register. Only after the threshold number of patients is met would five additional treatment centers be permitted. While patients would be required to obtain a medical marijuana card, the structure of maintaining the medical card could be problematic. If a patient is “cured” or is charged with a drug offense, the medical card can be revoked.

In November, Florida voters unambiguously approved a constitutional amendment to expand the use of medical marijuana in Florida. Simply put, HB 1397 is too restrictive and is contradictory to the desire of 71% of Floridians.

While the bill still needs approval from two other House committees before heading to the floor for a full vote, now is the time to tell your representative to oppose this unduly burdensome implementation of Amendment 2!

Sincerely,



Jesse Kelley
Legislative Counsel
Marijuana Policy Project

Enjoy the deep state people keep calling a conspiracy. The reality is govt itself is against marijuana even in medicinal form, they even list it as schedule one, meaning no medical value, while meth is schedule 2, meaning restricted but has medical value.

This is almost like trump vs the govt, the people vote one, and the govt freaks out and fights against it. Just like trump and the fed govt, weed and fed and some state govts, one can wonder what the next move will be. If tomorrow a state passed socialized medicine referendum by a massive margin, would that state then redefine in law socialized medicine as corporate controlled free market insurance?

Never ending game, govt wants one thing, people the other, if govt does not get what they want they defy the people.
 
Enjoy the deep state people keep calling a conspiracy. The reality is govt itself is against marijuana even in medicinal form, they even list it as schedule one, meaning no medical value, while meth is schedule 2, meaning restricted but has medical value.

This is almost like trump vs the govt, the people vote one, and the govt freaks out and fights against it. Just like trump and the fed govt, weed and fed and some state govts, one can wonder what the next move will be. If tomorrow a state passed socialized medicine referendum by a massive margin, would that state then redefine in law socialized medicine as corporate controlled free market insurance?

Never ending game, govt wants one thing, people the other, if govt does not get what they want they defy the people.

I believe in representative government, but I want those so-called representatives acting on the behalf of the represented (us). They've ceased doing that, and now operate in the interests of themselves (aka their wallets), their donors (big money boys, not us) and their party ideology - that last part only to protect against attacks from more extreme members.

Replace them with 2 year olds and pay them with ice cream. Anyone can yell, "NO" all day. The problem is money buying influence, but unlike in the past, no pork comes home to us. "SAD".

Personally, I think Trump is over his head so far he can't remember that his life has been about no one but DJT. As I've said before, I'd love to be proven wrong on that point.:2wave:
 
Enjoy the deep state people keep calling a conspiracy. The reality is govt itself is against marijuana even in medicinal form, they even list it as schedule one, meaning no medical value, while meth is schedule 2, meaning restricted but has medical value.

Incidentally, methamphetamine is still occasionally used to treat severe ADHD...or at least used to be.


https://www.drugs.com/pro/desoxyn.html
 
Incidentally, methamphetamine is still occasionally used to treat severe ADHD...or at least used to be.


https://www.drugs.com/pro/desoxyn.html

Methamphetamine and cocaine are both still listed and available in the us military fedlog system. It is rarely issued, and requires a lot of signatures from high brass to get it ordered or prescribed, but they do still use it.

Marijuana though is listed as more dangerous and with no medical value, yet the synthetic form that mimics it is perfectly legal, and schedule 2 or the same level as opiates. Makes one wonder how thc can have zero medical value but synthetic thc somehow does according to the govt.
 
Methamphetamine and cocaine are both still listed and available in the us military fedlog system. It is rarely issued, and requires a lot of signatures from high brass to get it ordered or prescribed, but they do still use it.

Marijuana though is listed as more dangerous and with no medical value, yet the synthetic form that mimics it is perfectly legal, and schedule 2 or the same level as opiates. Makes one wonder how thc can have zero medical value but synthetic thc somehow does according to the govt.

Well, as for weed, the answer is simple: it only ended up in schedule 1 due to political bull****.
 
It does the rest of the US a great favor by being what is arguable the country's great idiot magnet.

All those 'carpetbaggers' (LOL) and old folks deserve Florida, and Florida, America's limp phallus, deserves them.

Still, selling such a swamp of stupidity might prove a difficult task.

Only one state beats TX for low wages, Florida. FL has nothing but low paying service oriented jobs, couldn't you just run to the bank on $7.75 an hour? Now Mass has a $11 an hour minimum, my bud just got a job with the VA, housekeeping, $14.45 an hour, and we have very low unemployment rate, provided a link. Oh my there is Texas, #39, so much for the Texas economic miracle the Right in TX likes to brag about, good ol trickle down economics seems to be doing wonders in the Lone Star State, only if you started with $$, many get left behind due to the low wages.

https://www.bls.gov/web/laus/laumstrk.htm
 
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