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Trump's attorney general pick is bad news for legal marijuana

Trump's attorney general pick is bad news for legal marijuana



His view is quite at odds with Trump's expressed opinion on the matter. So, what will happen next? We have several states now that have gone against federal law and legalized pot.

I don't know that Trump is going to want to do battle with state's rights. Reports are saying that he respects said powers, and as things are now for him, I don't think he's going to let what's his name make it worse.
 
No, I've looked over their careers. I'm familiar with their work prior to the election. They're pieces of **** as far as I'm concerned. You can disagree, but I'm not misinformed.



Brietbart isn't a serious news outlet, so there's not much other than to point out that only a deplorable human being would run it. They literally came to national fame after reporting a falsified story that ended ACORN. As for whether or not they made "monkeys" out of "Liberals," I can't speak to the history of their so-called news outlet, but I can say that they're political hacks.



New levels of outrage? Sorry, Republicans already won that prize in 2008-2016. They literally didn't allow Obama to put a SCOTUS judge in and hundreds of judges for lower circuit courts, in addition to other cabinet positions.

Regarding the levels of outrage, both parties have engaged in the ratcheting up of the outrage throughout the various hearings.

Watching the blindly partisan statements from both Issa and Cummings in the committee hearings was almost painful.

It's hard to find a news outlet that is not the home of a continuously slanted political point of view. CBS was once considered to be a useful standard in establishing what the truth of a topic might be. After the concerted defaming of "W" by Dan Rather and the entire editorial staff there, not so much. Their bias was on display and attempts to hide it vanished. Do you have in mind a news outlet that is always a "serious news outlet"? I don't know of any in the United States.

Is there any member of the political class that you consider to a completely unblemished, impartial arbiter of justice?

It is my experience that any person exposed to the tender mercies of our national media outlets, motivated by their political biases, will undoubted by characterized harshly and inaccurately according to the in-house bias.
 
they should ban tobacco instead of weed.
 
Studies have long been done and have been proven true in Colorado regarding legalized pot: 1) an increase in pot users, 2) more underage people have access to brain-damaging pot, 3) more traffic fatalities caused by drivers DUI of pot, 4) less pot users in jail (just the illegal dealers caught selling in the considerably cheaper black market), and 5) an increase in tax revenues.


Except the negatives aren't entirely true. The "studies" you refer to are usually based on data deliberately manipulated to create the exact result desired. One common cheap maneuver is to call any accident in which one of the drivers was blood tested "marijuana-related" if ANY amount of marijuana was found in their system. But, (a) a blood test can detect THC and metabolites up to 3 months after use, (b) the overwhelming majority of said drivers were completely drunk.

(Incidentally, there have been studies using driving simulators, which found that while experienced users of pot seemed to have less coordination in individual tasks associated with driving, they were actually just fine when placed in the driving simulator. It was inexperienced users and people who also consumed alcohol who did more poorly than usual).


Anyone who wanted to smoke pot already did, except middle-aged persons who perhaps worked for jobs with drug testing, etc. Since pot is the safest recreational drug generally used, it doesn't really matter if a few more middle-aged persons start up again. At the very least, they may drink less. (hence alcohol companies oppose legalization).

#2 is simply inaccurate. The less of a black market for pot there is, the more difficult it is for underaged persons to acquire it. Just like alcohol. Even if you didn't smoke pot in high school, you knew exactly who had it if you wanted it. Alcohol was a lot harder to come by.

#3 see the debunking of this lie.

#3a. DUI pot is still illegal! Everybody who would risk it pre-legalization will risk it post-legalization. People who wouldn't risk it before won't risk it after. There is literally no logical reason to say that. But maybe you have a study that says that marijuana caused an accident because one driver had some in his system, indicating use up to 3 months prior......




It really is not the issue that scare-mongering prohibitionists want people to believe.
 
Regarding the levels of outrage, both parties have engaged in the ratcheting up of the outrage throughout the various hearings.

That's true, but I wouldn't call it equal. I'm no fan of the Democratic party, but I would say that in the last 8 years, Republicans (ACORN, Benghazi, Planned Parenthood, down the line) have engaged in totally partisan, extremely financially wasteful hearings, inquiries, and reviews over the past 10 years, with no objective or purpose other than further their own political careers. I'm sure Democrats have done it, but they seem dwarfed by Republicans.

It's hard to find a news outlet that is not the home of a continuously slanted political point of view. CBS was once considered to be a useful standard in establishing what the truth of a topic might be. After the concerted defaming of "W" by Dan Rather and the entire editorial staff there, not so much. Their bias was on display and attempts to hide it vanished. Do you have in mind a news outlet that is always a "serious news outlet"? I don't know of any in the United States. Is there any member of the political class that you consider to a completely unblemished, impartial arbiter of justice?

That's a complex question, so I'll give a nuanced (if lengthy) answer.

It depends on what you mean by "serious" and "impartial." All news sources are biased, because there are facts and then opinions derived from those facts. A good news source may be biased in their opinions, but not on the facts; bad news sources don't even present facts (or hide facts), which skews whatever opinions are derived from the non-facts or missing facts. And that's not black and white, it's not like a news source is either "biased" or "unbiased." Fox News and Breitbart News are not "equally" bad; Breitbart News is way, way worse than Fox News. And MSNBC and CNN are terrible news sources, too, because they also skew the ever-living hell out of their news. Unfortunately, the right-wing has a lot more falsehoods and missing facts. That's true even by the accounts of people who make money from fabricating fake news articles, they mainly engage in false right-wing news because it literally spreads more easily. So in my opinion no one should listen to MSNBC, Fox News, and the rest of the godawful corporate cable news, but I don't think they're all equally bad.

So, are their news sources that I trust? Yes, but none without consideration or question. I like online media the most right now, because at the moment I think they are the furthest from the most corrupting sources of news bias, namely corporate money, DC partisan politics, and a culture of shoddy journalism that's come about since the "24 hour news cycle." My go-to news sources right now are Democracy Now!, TYT Politics, The Young Turks, Secular Talk, and I listen to a lot of differing sides on issues (including right libertarians, etc). As for online text media, I read The Intercept, occasionally In These Times and Jacobin for far-left stuff, and then a smattering of different commentators. I listen to none of these groups daily, usually, but by the end of the week I've usually read or watched most of what they have to say. The reason there's not a conservative commentator there is because I literally haven't found one that I respect enough not to constantly lie to me. There's a few conservatives I know who are thoughtful enough to merit listening to their commentary, but in general they just don't seem to talk about issues that I think merit my attention. If you can rectify this in any way, and you know of a serious, thoughtful commentator from the conservative viewpoint, I'd be happy to listen to them.


It is my experience that any person exposed to the tender mercies of our national media outlets, motivated by their political biases, will undoubted by characterized harshly and inaccurately according to the in-house bias.

I disentangle "partisan" from "ideological." MSNBC is partisan, but they aren't very ideological. Neither is Fox News. Sources that act as propaganda for the establishment and/or corporate wings of the DNC/RNC are rarely genuine in what they say. Most of it is garbage they say to help "their team" win, and I think they know it's garbage (Whether that's Rachel Maddow saying Bill Clinton didn't sign NAFTA or Bill O'Reilly saying that people would go to jail if they didn't get insured under Obamacare --they just blatantly lied to help their "team"). And if the result is a misinformed, ignorant public rather than an informed electorate, well, their checks cash each week either way.
 
That's a complex question, so I'll give a nuanced (if lengthy) answer.


So, are their news sources that I trust? Yes, but none without consideration or question. I like online media the most right now, because at the moment I think they are the furthest from the most corrupting sources of news bias, namely corporate money, DC partisan politics, and a culture of shoddy journalism that's come about since the "24 hour news cycle." My go-to news sources right now are Democracy Now!, TYT Politics, The Young Turks, Secular Talk, and I listen to a lot of differing sides on issues (including right libertarians, etc). As for online text media, I read The Intercept, occasionally In These Times and Jacobin for far-left stuff, and then a smattering of different commentators. I listen to none of these groups daily, usually, but by the end of the week I've usually read or watched most of what they have to say. The reason there's not a conservative commentator there is because I literally haven't found one that I respect enough not to constantly lie to me. There's a few conservatives I know who are thoughtful enough to merit listening to their commentary, but in general they just don't seem to talk about issues that I think merit my attention. If you can rectify this in any way, and you know of a serious, thoughtful commentator from the conservative viewpoint, I'd be happy to listen to them.

(edited for length. My apologies)

Your post was incredibly well thought out and nuanced as promised.

Thank you.

I am pre-disposed to agree with any thoughts that are in support of individual liberty, smaller government, honoring commitments, limiting the reach and impact of bullying and challenging the deceitful. These are probably common mind sets to favor and that is where the trouble starts.

In abortion, as an example, is the fetus a person and potentially endowed with unalienable rights or is it simply a tissue mass incapable that is not alive? That definition frames the debate. BOTH sides are probably in agreement that individual rights are paramount, that the government should not dictate the actions of individuals and that the arguments are loaded with deceit. So, comes politics.

I do not routinely dig as deeply into events and news as you seem to. I use the most available outlets and like to compare the styles. Using the satellite radio to switch between about 4 outlets of varying views allowed some very good entertainment. Switching back and forth between FOX and CNN was especially rewarding from an amusement standpoint. Same story, but the roles of devil and angel were reversed between Hillary and Trump. For me, high comedy.

Especially rewarding is the team members on the two outlets that have changed teams. Alisyn Camerota, having recently changed from FOX to CNN, had also miraculously changed cheer leader uniforms from Republican to Democrat. Again, high comedy. There are several on air talent types on these outlets that have changed. All "passion for sale" proponents of the party line of the current paycheck provider.

All of that said, there are some stories that beg for greater clarity. You mentioned Benghazi. CNN was firmly in favor of protecting the Obama team's stories on the topic. FOX was firmly in favor of attacking that party line.

What FACTS did they agree on? There were diplomats on site. There was a violent incident that resulted in the death of the diplomats. It occurred on the anniversary of 9/11. There was a US Presidential election campaign in progress

From these facts, what else might we infer?

The diplomats on site were assigned there by the Department of State. The area was very unstable. The facility provided for the diplomats was not sufficiently secured given the situation. Any help that might have been sent to provide fast and overwhelming force was not sent. The date of 9/11 was not interpreted as a "flash point" for the local residents by the DOS planners.

Also obvious to any impartial viewer were these two bits: ANYTHING presented by either campaign was probably not going to be the absolute truth. The White House Staff was a part of the Obama Campaign.

Simply by listening to what all of the news outlets agree on as fact is a good place to start. Also asking, if this is true, what else must be true?

In the immediate aftermath of this event, I was posting on this board, I think, and was outraged that the diplomats were there and unprotected and left to die with no effort at help from outside the area.

Again, just asking, "If this is true, what else must be true?" answers lots of questions on the reporting.

My views are probably not as nuanced and well presented as yours. I do greatly appreciate reading your thoughts.
 
Just a general FYI, CO legal pot sale top $1,000,000,000.


Can any anti-pot person keep a straight face while typing to me that they would prefer drug gangs to have made that money? Look at the zeros.






Look at the zeros again.

Now tell me you want drug gangs to have those zeros.
 
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But you're missing the reason we simply cannot trust such a direct and open poll of underage kids anymore about their pot use .. thanks to legalization itself that's changed who the distributors are.

Because law enforcement is now famously focused on neighborhoods of regular families as being the source of pot, adults, parents, growing/buying it themselves ..

.. And law enforcement is not out hunting the black market seller like they use to ..

.. Kids know that if they told the truth about their increased pot use that law enforcement might begin a big investigation .. which would get their parents in big trouble!

Such a conflict of interest will forever skew such a poll in pot-legal states.

But the Rand study's intelligent analysis back in the 2008 California vote remains true.

This information can be realized through usage statistics and teen trend analysis with regard to the cultures teens frequent and the likelihood of pot's presence.

These are the informally gathered information elements that can be trusted.

SO you are saying there is a conspiracy where kids got together and decided to not tell?
 
Just a general FYI, CO legal pot sale top $1,000,000,000.


Can any anti-pot person keep a straight face while typing to me that they would prefer drug gangs to have made that money? Look at the zeros.






Look at the zeros again.

Now tell me you want drug gangs to have those zeros.

Doing my part!! I wonder if Sessions is part of a cunning plan to temporarily increase marijuana sales by threatening future restriction.
 
Doing my part!! I wonder if Sessions is part of a cunning plan to temporarily increase marijuana sales by threatening future restriction.

Why not?
It worked for guns and Obama.

Hey, dude! They're coming to get your doobie!
 
Trump did mention his support for medical cannabis and his belief at recreational weed should be up to the states.
 
Trump did mention his support for medical cannabis and his belief at recreational weed should be up to the states.

On the other hand, Jeff Sessions is a very much 'by the books' type of person. If something is illegal, it's illegal, no shades of grey. He did have a role in reducing the disparity in penalties between crack cocaine and powered cocaine, which runs counter to the claims of him being racist (The previous law tended to lead to longer sentences for the black community users). Sessions , in his confirmation hearing, said the policy that Eric Holder came up with was 'invaluable' when dealing with the disparity between state and federal drug laws.

I don't know. I don't trust him per say.. but I think he is at least competent. That's more than a few of Trump's nominations.
 
Considering the amount of money spent on arresting and incarcerating pot dealers, it may be a bigger deal than people realize.

I agree. But another aspect to legalization is important to me. Research!
For decades it has been near impossible for researchers to win grant money to research the benefits of cannabinoids. I specify 'benefits' because researchers looking for evidence of negative effects received research money.

Meanwhile, there are many unknowns. How sad that an easy to grow, useful, pharmaceutical has been demonized for so long. By chance, for the most part, people have learned that it is useful for a variety of neurological disorders and varieties have been developed low in THC. Naturally, Pharma is not going to perform research on an unpatentable product , but I hope that Universities will take up the banner.
 
I agree. But another aspect to legalization is important to me. Research!
For decades it has been near impossible for researchers to win grant money to research the benefits of cannabinoids. I specify 'benefits' because researchers looking for evidence of negative effects received research money.

Meanwhile, there are many unknowns. How sad that an easy to grow, useful, pharmaceutical has been demonized for so long. By chance, for the most part, people have learned that it is useful for a variety of neurological disorders and varieties have been developed low in THC. Naturally, Pharma is not going to perform research on an unpatentable product , but I hope that Universities will take up the banner.

I haven't heard much of anything regarding this administration's plans to handle legal states one way or another. With so many states now legal in some way, I don't see how they CAN do anything about it. The F.B.I. doesn't have the man power, and it is out of the state and local cops' jurisdiction, as they aren't breaking any state or local laws. If you take all of the studies that have come out between Colorado and Washington and read them objectively, the only honest conclusion is that nothing really changed with legalization. Maybe they'll just leave it alone.
 
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