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Why is it freedom is fought.

I support the second amendment but like most Americans I support background checks and an ban on allast rifles. Why are you rednecks such freaks about guns? Are you really that afraid of the bad guy? Conservatives aren't cowards are they? The way the cling to their guns makes them look that way.

Are you a gun freak redneck? It seems to be the only issue you really care about.


Tsk. Resorting to personal insults is the last refuge of those who can't argue their position.

I did this to illustrate your hypocrisy, namely that you're calling one group out for not being "pro-freedom" because they don't support YOUR pet agenda item... I'm pointing out that you don't support MY pet freedom issue so I could equally call YOU "anti-freedom" since you're DOING what you accuse others of... picking and choosing which freedoms you want to support and opposing those you don't like.

Some people get irritated when you show them a mirror. Apparently you are one such person.
 
You've never studied the Fall of the Roman Empire, have you?

I have. Part of the problem is they split into the Holy Roman empire and the Orthodox thus making them both weaker. Morality had nothing to do with it. They where never that moral.
 
That is because that Rome argument is always used by the religous right to fight against gay rights. It was not decadance and buggery that caused Rome to fall. They killed and buggered each other when they where powerful. What killed Rome was stagnation and inability to change when change was needed. Rome was never moral even after Constitine converted to christianity.

I thought that decadence meant very expensive and delicious chocolate:

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Tsk. Resorting to personal insults is the last refuge of those who can't argue their position.

I did this to illustrate your hypocrisy, namely that you're calling one group out for not being "pro-freedom" because they don't support YOUR pet agenda item... I'm pointing out that you don't support MY pet freedom issue so I could equally call YOU "anti-freedom" since you're DOING what you accuse others of... picking and choosing which freedoms you want to support and opposing those you don't like.

Some people get irritated when you show them a mirror. Apparently you are one such person.

Nobody is coming to take you precous guns just common sence gun safety that most Americans are for.
 
I have. Part of the problem is they split into the Holy Roman empire and the Orthodox thus making them both weaker. Morality had nothing to do with it. They where never that moral.

Morality has everything to do with a functional society. When its lost, the society usually crumbles, and a new one is constructed from its remnants...
 
Social conservatives where the ones who screamed the loudest when we legalized pot here in Washington and if you read you history books it was the Jesus freaks who where the driving force behing prohibition along with businessmen like Henry Ford who wanted a sober workforce. Social conservatives are the enemy of freedom along with PC dweebs on the left.

Those Inglorious Basterds!
 
Nobody is coming to take you precous guns just common sence gun safety that most Americans are for.


:mrgreen: Heh. The sophistries of tyrants.

What you call "common sence (sp) gun safety" I call oppressive restrictions on my freedom.

Me, and tens of millions of other gun owners.

But apparently to you that doesn't matter. The much smaller minority of people who might want to partake in gay marriage is your issue.

Okay, fair enough, if that's your gig. Everybody has their thing they are passionate about.


HOWEVER.... you don't get to call others "anti-freedom" because they don't support YOUR pet freedom issue, when YOU want to use the might of government to restrict OTHER people's freedom in areas you WANT them restricted.

When you do that you make yourself very hypocritical. You're just as much a supporter of state infringment on liberty (enumerated liberty at that) when you want to make me a felon for exercising what is currently my rights, as anyone who opposes SSM. Moreso, as you want to take away an existing liberty.

Oh and btw if you had your way someone WOULD be coming "for my precious guns", because I own assault rifles... the ones you want made illegal.

So there's your mirror... my what an ugly picture it paints, compared to your self-image of being the Pure At Heart Defender of Liberty....
 
:mrgreen: Heh. The sophistries of tyrants.

What you call "common sence (sp) gun safety" I call oppressive restrictions on my freedom.

Me, and tens of millions of other gun owners.

But apparently to you that doesn't matter. The much smaller minority of people who might want to partake in gay marriage is your issue.

Okay, fair enough, if that's your gig. Everybody has their thing they are passionate about.


HOWEVER.... you don't get to call others "anti-freedom" because they don't support YOUR pet freedom issue, when YOU want to use the might of government to restrict OTHER people's freedom in areas you WANT them restricted.

When you do that you make yourself very hypocritical. You're just as much a supporter of state infringment on liberty (enumerated liberty at that) when you want to make me a felon for exercising what is currently my rights, as anyone who opposes SSM. Moreso, as you want to take away an existing liberty.

Oh and btw if you had your way someone WOULD be coming "for my precious guns", because I own assault rifles... the ones you want made illegal.

So there's your mirror... my what an ugly picture it paints, compared to your self-image of being the Pure At Heart Defender of Liberty....

I am for gay marriage because it ticks off Jesus freaks and social conservatives. Gays are also good voters because the vote for my side so I fight next to them.
 
:mrgreen: Heh. The sophistries of tyrants.

What you call "common sence (sp) gun safety" I call oppressive restrictions on my freedom.

Me, and tens of millions of other gun owners.

But apparently to you that doesn't matter. The much smaller minority of people who might want to partake in gay marriage is your issue.

Okay, fair enough, if that's your gig. Everybody has their thing they are passionate about.


HOWEVER.... you don't get to call others "anti-freedom" because they don't support YOUR pet freedom issue, when YOU want to use the might of government to restrict OTHER people's freedom in areas you WANT them restricted.

When you do that you make yourself very hypocritical. You're just as much a supporter of state infringment on liberty (enumerated liberty at that) when you want to make me a felon for exercising what is currently my rights, as anyone who opposes SSM. Moreso, as you want to take away an existing liberty.

Oh and btw if you had your way someone WOULD be coming "for my precious guns", because I own assault rifles... the ones you want made illegal.

So there's your mirror... my what an ugly picture it paints, compared to your self-image of being the Pure At Heart Defender of Liberty....

You are truly a distinguished orator at heart, my friend!
 
SMTA needs to make a donation to get a larger one. Good evening pg...

Good evening, AP.

I was constantly being reminded until I did. It's worth it not having to check all the time.
 
Social conservatives where the ones who screamed the loudest when we legalized pot here in Washington and if you read you history books it was the Jesus freaks who where the driving force behing prohibition along with businessmen like Henry Ford who wanted a sober workforce. Social conservatives are the enemy of freedom along with PC dweebs on the left.

Something tells me you're really not that familiar with history books. As bad a bit of lawmaking as it was, you are aware of what it took to pass the 18th Amendment? Right or wrong, it took the will of the people in 36 states to pull that off. I guess your life experience may not allow you to see how significant that was.

As to a sober work force, I'm thinking sober factory workers might be a reasonable idea, given the potential to kill massive numbers of fellow workers with a slip up on the shop floor.

Again, I understand how critical good bud is to your survival, but most people don't really care. Your screaming is no different that those who oppose it.
 
I am for gay marriage because it ticks off Jesus freaks and social conservatives. Gays are also good voters because the vote for my side so I fight next to them.

Well, that says all anyone needs to know about you James. You're simply a follower with no self-direction or convictions. It's an empty life to derive enjoyment from wanting to divide the country. Take care of yourself because once you get what you're hoping for, no one else will...
 
I am for gay marriage because it ticks off Jesus freaks and social conservatives. Gays are also good voters because the vote for my side so I fight next to them.


Yet, I offered you a fair deal.... the freedom you desire, in exchange for the freedom I desire... and you declined to take it.

So your assertion in the OP, proclaiming those opposed to you as anti-freedom, is pure hypocrisy, is it not? You're only for those liberties you support, and want the might of government to oppress the liberty of others in things you DON'T like. That makes you the very thing you were accusing others of being: hypocritical about liberty.

I have no reason to support your pet liberty if you refuse me mine.



Change your lean to "Fascist". :mrgreen:
 
Good evening, AP.

I was constantly being reminded until I did. It's worth it not having to check all the time.

I generally don't keep mine, but I want to support anyone that provides a discussion forum such as this. I may do Silver and Gold next month to kick off the donation goal... :mrgreen:
 
I am for gay marriage because it ticks off Jesus freaks and social conservatives. Gays are also good voters because the vote for my side so I fight next to them.

Yea, right - lying, cheating, and disingenuously treating others is the bast path through life.

That will earn you the friends that you deserve.

In other words, you will reap what you have sown.
 
I generally don't keep mine, but I want to support anyone that provides a discussion forum such as this. I may do Silver and Gold next month to kick off the donation goal... :mrgreen:

Mine this month brought them close to their goal, so that made me happy! win-win. I agree on supporting them, because I really like this site! I would have done it earlier, but I had trouble with PayPal not recognizing Ohio as a State. ?? I talked to the moderator here, who suggested i talk to a live person at PayPal and finally got it resolved. Computer glitsch on their end was the explanation. whew! I sure was pleased to learn that Ohio does exist, and therefore so do I! :lamo:
 
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Mine this month brought them close to their goal, so that made me happy! win-win. I agree on supporting them, because I really like this site! I would have done it earlier, but I had trouble with PayPal not recognizing Ohio as a State. ?? I talked to the moderator here, who suggested i talk to a live person at PayPal and finally got it resolved. Computer glitsch on their end was the explanation. whew! I sure was pleased to learn that Ohio does exist, and therefore so do I! :lamo:

When I was living there, I wasn't so sure sometimes... :moon:
 
When I was living there, I wasn't so sure sometimes... :moon:

Why do you think i was SO relieved? :thumbs: Affirmation was appreciated, and I told them so...We had a good laugh over that....
 
Yet, I offered you a fair deal.... the freedom you desire, in exchange for the freedom I desire... and you declined to take it.

So your assertion in the OP, proclaiming those opposed to you as anti-freedom, is pure hypocrisy, is it not? You're only for those liberties you support, and want the might of government to oppress the liberty of others in things you DON'T like. That makes you the very thing you were accusing others of being: hypocritical about liberty.

I have no reason to support your pet liberty if you refuse me mine.



Change your lean to "Fascist". :mrgreen:

Well, Goshin, it looks as if Mr. Hill's crying about nobody debating with him was dishonest, just like his political lean.

He blew off you, me, and AP with no retorts, intelligent words, or with any debate savvy at all.

Just like I figured - he was all blow and no go.

He has yet again reaped what he has sown.
 
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