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Floyd was not murdered

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The fake news keeps saying this and even many conservatives are parroting this claim without much evidence.
Floyd was not murdered, if you want to stay safe you need to move out of the cities before Chauvin is acquitted

The facts are

A) Floyd was middle aged, a heavy drug user (more on that in a minute), and a generally unhealthy
B) Floyd’s autopsy shows no asphyxiation (ignore the Baden exam it’s a lie) he Was able to breathe the entire time. He was intoxicated on fentanyl at the time of his death

County Officials Rule George Floyd Death Was A Homicide : NPR

According to addictionhope.com, febtanyl is very dangerous and even small amounts can cause overdoses even through skin absorption. Cardiac arrest is common. Another effect of fentanyl is decreasing the ability of the lungs to absorb oxygen meaning that it’s likely Floyd was never able to effectively breath even before being restrained.

Fentanyl Deaths: What Happens Physically to Cause Death?

C) there is no evidence Chauvin intended Floyd’s death nor acted recklessly in causing it.
The neck restraint technique has been used 237 times with no fatalities in the last 5 years. The fatality rate was 0.00 when Chauvin used it, meaning he was using a technique with a perfect non lethal record in Minneapolis and which was permitted by MPDs manual. If you’re going to claim Floyd was murdered you need to show officers Chauvin’s actions would have been believed to be deadly by a reasonable person. The MPD manual permitting this as a non lethal technique combined with no known deaths from it in that department would be an argument against that.

D) the detention and arrest of Chauvin was justified
He was clearly intoxicated and in control of a motor vehicle when contacted. This cannot be allowed to continue.

In the event that the specific restraint technique was not justified this would at most be civil wrongful death

E) there is zero evidence of racism in the contact

We need to stop taking black lives matter at their word. They literally have lied about all of their cases. These lies are why we are facing our worst riots since 1968. People in the media should be held accountable
 
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"What you are seeing and hearing is not what's happening"

:roll:

Can't gaslight the video away.
 
The fake news keeps saying this and even many conservatives are parroting this claim without much evidence.
Floyd was not murdered, if you want to stay safe you need to move out of the cities before Chauvin is acquitted

The facts are

A) Floyd was middle aged, a heavy drug user (more on that in a minute), and a generally unhealthy
B) Floyd’s autopsy shows no asphyxiation (ignore the Baden exam it’s a lie) he Was able to breathe the entire time. He was intoxicated on fentanyl at the time of his death

County Officials Rule George Floyd Death Was A Homicide : NPR

According to addictionhope.com, febtanyl is very dangerous and even small amounts can cause overdoses even through skin absorption. Cardiac arrest is common. Another effect of fentanyl is decreasing the ability of the lungs to absorb oxygen meaning that it’s likely Floyd was never able to effectively breath even before being restrained.

Fentanyl Deaths: What Happens Physically to Cause Death?

C) there is no evidence Chauvin intended Floyd’s death nor acted recklessly in causing it.
The neck restraint technique has been used 237 times with no fatalities in the last 5 years. The fatality rate was 0.00 when Chauvin used it, meaning he was using a technique with a perfect non lethal record in Minneapolis and which was permitted by MPDs manual.

D) the detention and arrest of Chauvin was justified
He was clearly intoxicated and in control of a motor vehicle when contacted. This cannot be allowed to continue.

In the event that the specific restraint technique was not justified this would at most be civil wrongful death

E) there is zero evidence of racism in the contact

We need to stop taking black lives matter at their word. They literally have lied about all of their cases.

Typical. Blame the black guy even with the whole world watching the white cops kill him.
 
"What you are seeing and hearing is not what's happening"

:roll:

Can't gaslight the video away.

Partisans on both sides had their minds made up before anything came to light. The details never matter to most of you.
 
Typical. Blame the black guy even with the whole world watching the white cops kill him.

I did not “blame the black guy”

I merely stated what evidence shows.

The video shows a white police officer (in the presence of multiple minority officers) using an approved technique considered by his departments manual not to be lethal force and which was connected to no other deaths. The autopsy shows that action did not and could not have killed him
 
"That dude wasn't healthy enough to be choked for nine minutes."

Ok.

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You can't talk if you can't breath. Try it.

But I don't think fentanyl can lead to asphyxiation. I think Floyd's heart gave out.

The cop should've removed his knee from Floyd.


Jeez, if the cop get's off, that's going to be a problem. I'm for a fair trial, but man.
 
"That dude wasn't healthy enough to be choked for nine minutes."

Ok.

Sent from my SM-G986U using Tapatalk

He was not choked, see the autopsy by the ME, no evidence of asphyxiation
No asphyxiation = he was NEVER choked during the death sequence
 
The fake news keeps saying this and even many conservatives are parroting this claim without much evidence.
Floyd was not murdered, if you want to stay safe you need to move out of the cities before Chauvin is acquitted

The facts are

A) Floyd was middle aged, a heavy drug user (more on that in a minute), and a generally unhealthy
B) Floyd’s autopsy shows no asphyxiation (ignore the Baden exam it’s a lie) he Was able to breathe the entire time. He was intoxicated on fentanyl at the time of his death

County Officials Rule George Floyd Death Was A Homicide : NPR

According to addictionhope.com, febtanyl is very dangerous and even small amounts can cause overdoses even through skin absorption. Cardiac arrest is common. Another effect of fentanyl is decreasing the ability of the lungs to absorb oxygen meaning that it’s likely Floyd was never able to effectively breath even before being restrained.

Fentanyl Deaths: What Happens Physically to Cause Death?

C) there is no evidence Chauvin intended Floyd’s death nor acted recklessly in causing it.
The neck restraint technique has been used 237 times with no fatalities in the last 5 years. The fatality rate was 0.00 when Chauvin used it, meaning he was using a technique with a perfect non lethal record in Minneapolis and which was permitted by MPDs manual. If you’re going to claim Floyd was murdered you need to show officers Chauvin’s actions would have been believed to be deadly by a reasonable person. The MPD manual permitting this as a non lethal technique combined with no known deaths from it in that department would be an argument against that.

D) the detention and arrest of Chauvin was justified
He was clearly intoxicated and in control of a motor vehicle when contacted. This cannot be allowed to continue.

In the event that the specific restraint technique was not justified this would at most be civil wrongful death

E) there is zero evidence of racism in the contact

We need to stop taking black lives matter at their word. They literally have lied about all of their cases. These lies are why we are facing our worst riots since 1968. People in the media should be held accountable

Sorry facts, the death certificate and the coroner's report says different. You can stomp your feat and throw all the fits you want, but you are incorrect just the same.

You racists are all alike.
 
You can't talk if you can't breath. Try it.

But I don't think fentanyl can lead to asphyxiation. I think Floyd's heart gave out.

The cop should've removed his knee from Floyd.


Jeez, if the cop get's off, that's going to be a problem. I'm for a fair trial, but man.

I agree the cop should’ve not been so aggressive on Floyd. I even agree with firing him, but that’s a far cry from insisting this was a racially motivated murder

This is why we need to begin regulating the media and not allow false narratives to be set. The riots coming in 18 to 24 months will be horrific because of this lie
 
Sorry facts, the death certificate and the coroner's report says different. You can stomp your feat and throw all the fits you want, but you are incorrect just the same.

You racists are all alike.

What does the death certificate say that refutes what I said?
 
"What you are seeing and hearing is not what's happening"

:roll:

Can't gaslight the video away.

Can’t gaslight the autopsy away
 
The fake news keeps saying this and even many conservatives are parroting this claim without much evidence.
Floyd was not murdered, if you want to stay safe you need to move out of the cities before Chauvin is acquitted

The facts are

A) Floyd was middle aged, a heavy drug user (more on that in a minute), and a generally unhealthy
B) Floyd’s autopsy shows no asphyxiation (ignore the Baden exam it’s a lie) he Was able to breathe the entire time. He was intoxicated on fentanyl at the time of his death

County Officials Rule George Floyd Death Was A Homicide : NPR

According to addictionhope.com, febtanyl is very dangerous and even small amounts can cause overdoses even through skin absorption. Cardiac arrest is common. Another effect of fentanyl is decreasing the ability of the lungs to absorb oxygen meaning that it’s likely Floyd was never able to effectively breath even before being restrained.

Fentanyl Deaths: What Happens Physically to Cause Death?

C) there is no evidence Chauvin intended Floyd’s death nor acted recklessly in causing it.
The neck restraint technique has been used 237 times with no fatalities in the last 5 years. The fatality rate was 0.00 when Chauvin used it, meaning he was using a technique with a perfect non lethal record in Minneapolis and which was permitted by MPDs manual. If you’re going to claim Floyd was murdered you need to show officers Chauvin’s actions would have been believed to be deadly by a reasonable person. The MPD manual permitting this as a non lethal technique combined with no known deaths from it in that department would be an argument against that.

D) the detention and arrest of Chauvin was justified
He was clearly intoxicated and in control of a motor vehicle when contacted. This cannot be allowed to continue.

In the event that the specific restraint technique was not justified this would at most be civil wrongful death

E) there is zero evidence of racism in the contact

We need to stop taking black lives matter at their word. They literally have lied about all of their cases. These lies are why we are facing our worst riots since 1968. People in the media should be held accountable

:roll:

Ya, and Abraham Lincoln wasn't murdered, he was already dying of MEN2b.

The question you have to ask, is would George Floyd still be alive if the cop didn't restrict his airway for about 10 min?
 
:roll:

Ya, and Abraham Lincoln wasn't murdered, he was already dying of MEN2b.

The question you have to ask, is would George Floyd still be alive if the cop didn't restrict his airway for about 10 min?

His airway was never restricted sufficient to impair breathing. This was established in the Autopsy. Why do you use a point that’s already refuted?
 
He was not choked, see the autopsy by the ME, no evidence of asphyxiation
No asphyxiation = he was NEVER choked during the death sequence

[There was a] preliminary autopsy report showing that there were "no physical findings that support a diagnosis of traumatic asphyxia or strangulation."

George Floyd autopsy: no signs of traumatic asphyxia or strangulation - Insider

I see nothing to indicate that the original ME checked carbon dioxide levels in Floyd's tissues. There are other signs that MEs typically look for during an autopsy: Asphyxiation


Do you have a link to the original report? It is difficult to find, and I can only read what is in the news which is fragmented.
 
Take your bull**** to 4chan. I'm sure you'll get the response you were looking for.

Jesus, even Trump says he was murderered......
 
I did not “blame the black guy”

I merely stated what evidence shows.

The video shows a white police officer (in the presence of multiple minority officers) using an approved technique considered by his departments manual not to be lethal force and which was connected to no other deaths. The autopsy shows that action did not and could not have killed him

The world saw a handcuffed man die under that officer's knee. That was not a coincidence. There's no question he killed him. Whether it was murder is debatable.
 
The fake news keeps saying this and even many conservatives are parroting this claim without much evidence.
Floyd was not murdered, if you want to stay safe you need to move out of the cities before Chauvin is acquitted

The facts are

A) Floyd was middle aged, a heavy drug user (more on that in a minute), and a generally unhealthy
B) Floyd’s autopsy shows no asphyxiation (ignore the Baden exam it’s a lie) he Was able to breathe the entire time. He was intoxicated on fentanyl at the time of his death

County Officials Rule George Floyd Death Was A Homicide : NPR

According to addictionhope.com, febtanyl is very dangerous and even small amounts can cause overdoses even through skin absorption. Cardiac arrest is common. Another effect of fentanyl is decreasing the ability of the lungs to absorb oxygen meaning that it’s likely Floyd was never able to effectively breath even before being restrained.

Fentanyl Deaths: What Happens Physically to Cause Death?

C) there is no evidence Chauvin intended Floyd’s death nor acted recklessly in causing it.
The neck restraint technique has been used 237 times with no fatalities in the last 5 years. The fatality rate was 0.00 when Chauvin used it, meaning he was using a technique with a perfect non lethal record in Minneapolis and which was permitted by MPDs manual. If you’re going to claim Floyd was murdered you need to show officers Chauvin’s actions would have been believed to be deadly by a reasonable person. The MPD manual permitting this as a non lethal technique combined with no known deaths from it in that department would be an argument against that.

D) the detention and arrest of Chauvin was justified
He was clearly intoxicated and in control of a motor vehicle when contacted. This cannot be allowed to continue.

In the event that the specific restraint technique was not justified this would at most be civil wrongful death

E) there is zero evidence of racism in the contact

We need to stop taking black lives matter at their word. They literally have lied about all of their cases. These lies are why we are facing our worst riots since 1968. People in the media should be held accountable

I guess you missed the part where he couldn't breathe because there was a thug cop's knee closing off his windpipe for 8 minutes.

Honestly, the gymnastics you guys have to go through to defend murder.
 
Independent autopsy finds George Floyd died of homicide by asphyxia - ABC News

An independent autopsy ordered by George Floyd's family found his death was a "homicide caused by asphyxia due to neck and back compression that led to a lack of blood flow to the brain," according to early findings from the examination released Monday.

"When he said 'I can't breathe,' unfortunately, many police are under impression that if you can talk that means you're breathing. That is not true," he said during the news conference.
 
The world saw a handcuffed man die under that officer's knee. That was not a coincidence. There's no question he killed him. Whether it was murder is debatable.

All of these points can be individually true, they do not point to murder or reckless disregard for life
 
I did not “blame the black guy”

I merely stated what evidence shows.

The video shows a white police officer (in the presence of multiple minority officers) using an approved technique considered by his departments manual not to be lethal force and which was connected to no other deaths. The autopsy shows that action did not and could not have killed him
In the presence of minority officers?

I got your “approved technique, right here!

Minneapolis police rendered 44 people unconscious with neck restraints in five years


I agree the cop should’ve not been so aggressive on Floyd. I even agree with firing him, but that’s a far cry from insisting this was a racially motivated murder

This is why we need to begin regulating the media and not allow false narratives to be set. The riots coming in 18 to 24 months will be horrific because of this lie


It was cellphone video that started this!

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Yep, as I said in my earlier post, there are other signs to check for asphyxia. Just because he was not strangled and "traumatic asphyxia" was ruled out, that does not mean asphyxiation was ruled out. The original findings ruled out the more obvious signs of asphyxiation. Asphyxiation can also occur when blood flow is restricted, as was described in the findings by the independent autopsy.
 
I guess you missed the part where he couldn't breathe because there was a thug cop's knee closing off his windpipe for 8 minutes.

Honestly, the gymnastics you guys have to go through to defend murder.

Going from "dead man black" to "black man bad" is a pretty basic gymnastics for some.
 
“The autopsy revealed no physical findings that support a diagnosis of traumatic asphyxia or strangulation. Mr. Floyd had underlying health conditions including coronary artery disease and hypertensive heart disease. The combined effects of Mr. Floyd being restrained by the police, his underlying health conditions and any potential intoxicants in his system likely contributed to his death.”



charging document for former police officer Derek Chauvin







I see. Ah, yes. Suddenly, as if by magic, through no fault of anyone’s, these underlying health conditions(!) and potential intoxicants — intoxicants that had not even made up their minds whether to exist yet — decided to strike. And how convenient that they chose the moment when Derek Chauvin placed his knee on George Floyd’s neck. A miracle! A true thermodynamic miracle for the police officer, if something so unfortunate can be called a miracle. Once again we see it proved, against all odds: Police officers do not kill black people.

They just have the constant, perplexing ill luck to be “involved” at precisely the wrong moment. Through their singular misfortune, it is always at the moment that their knee is descending on a human neck, or their bullet is flying toward a man, or they have him in a chokehold, when this human being’s own system decides to turn against him. It is a horrible curse. It is a dire magic,
the same thing that turns whatever this person is holding into a weapon, then turns it right back into a phone or a toy or a bag of candy the second afterward.
A wonder this does not appear on other autopsy reports (“It was not the robber who killed him; it was the combination of his underlying health conditions and the robber’s knife to the ribs.”).



[bitterly sardonic opinion piece continues]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...h-by-underlying-health-conditions-was-murder/


All of these points can be individually true, they do not point to murder or reckless disregard for life

Your agenda is rejected. But I bet we can both think of a site or two where it would be welcomed.
 
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