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Floyd was not murdered

EMNofSeattle said:
With the spine protecting the trachea and carotid artery
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The spine can be pressed down to compress those. :doh




This is the barely coherent and grammatically inept speech of a man who desperately wants to be able to claim that he "cured coronavirus."

That's it, in a nutshell. When we do get a handle on this crisis, he wants to be able to pull out footage and declare "I called it! I said use this! I said try this! I told them to do this, it was my idea!" He's just doing it with lots of stupid stuff because he doesnt want to miss an opportunity. He's afraid 'the big one' will be mentioned and he wont get credit for it.

It's all about declaring himself the savior of the cv crisis and we'll hear all about it, esp in his campaign. (Which is basically each of his press briefings these days) --- Lursa
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EMNofSeattle said:
He was not choked, see the autopsy by the ME, no evidence of asphyxiation
No asphyxiation = he was NEVER choked during the death sequence
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And you without a medical degree.
Fascinating.
 
EMNofSeattle said:
He was not choked, see the autopsy by the ME, no evidence of asphyxiation
No asphyxiation = he was NEVER choked during the death sequence
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OK lets run with your claim for a minute. The man was handcuffed. There were four officers-why wasn't he put in the back of the car and taken to be booked?
 
SMTA said:
And you without a medical degree.
Fascinating.
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The guy with the medical degree made the report,

Or are all these malcontents burning stuff down medical doctors?
 
What if...? said:
A "carotid" hold was being used.

That's refers to the carotid artery.

The hold is designed to cut blood flow to the brain, not asphyxiate.

But twist someones neck and then crush it with your knee and there's gonna be some difficulty breathing.

Anybody who has a neck should know that.

So since your post derives from an essential factual misapprehension of the incident I don't feel the need to finish reading.
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It was not a sleeper hold and there is no evidence in the MEs report stating this
 
Fred C Dobbs II said:
A judge and jury will make the final decision but I don't have to wait that long..The cop killed Mr. George Floyd by kneeling on his neck for an extended period of time.

You believe whatever you want but I'll go with what I can see.
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He may have caused Floyd’s death in the same way you might “Cause” someone’s death if they walk in front of your car

The actions the officer took were apparently department sanctioned, had a perfect record of non fatal use, and the victims demise stems from use of opioids. Which kills many people every year.
 
TurtleDude said:
OK lets run with your claim for a minute. The man was handcuffed. There were four officers-why wasn't he put in the back of the car and taken to be booked?
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I don’t know, and I’ll bet the officers wish they did, but that action doesn’t constitute murder.

I am discussing what we CAN know which is that no part of the force use can be shown to be an effort to kill him.
 
EMNofSeattle said:
I don’t know, and I’ll bet the officers wish they did, but that action doesn’t constitute murder.

I am discussing what we CAN know which is that no part of the force use can be shown to be an effort to kill him.
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I believe third degree murder-reckless homicide are the boundaries of acceptable charges based on what I know as of now
 
HIP56948 said:
It's not up to me but if it was: I'd lower the Officer into a wood chipper...slowly. Act like a monster, die like one.
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That's why I suspect it will never be up to you :roll:
 
TurtleDude said:
I believe third degree murder-reckless homicide are the boundaries of acceptable charges based on what I know as of now
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I don’t think it’s even that.

If the autopsy shows the death is caused by the decedent’s intoxication on fentanyl and the triggering event was a sanctioned restraint linked to no previous deaths, and the decedents claims of being unable to breath are consistent with fentanyl use and also medical aid HAD been called for Mr. Floyd then I don’t see where recklessness or depraved indifference was a factor.

Really I think the only reason this officer would ever get convicted is because of the riots. No riot=no charges and that’s a bad way to do justice.
 
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EMNofSeattle said:
I don’t think it’s even that.

If the autopsy shows the death is caused by the decedent’s intoxication on fentanyl and the triggering event was a sanctioned restraint linked to no previous deaths, and the decedents claims of being unable to breath are consistent with fentanyl use and also medical aid HAD been called for Mr. Floyd then I don’t see where recklessness or depraved indifference was a factor.

Really I think the only reason this officer would ever get convicted is because of the riots. No riot=no charges and that’s a bad way to do justice.
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Dude. If he was honestly trying to subdue a criminal and had his knee on his back like that just gil he could get hand cuffs on youd have a point. But after the hand cuffs and with three other officers there it was completely unnecessary. If an officer uses a tazer to subdue an attacker or someone fleeing and the man dies its not the cops fault. But if the same man is sitting in the back of the squad car and handcuffed and the cop tazes him just as one last **** you and the guy dies then thats a crime. In my opinion at least 3rd degree murder.

Your arguments are nonsensical.

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EMNofSeattle said:
He may have caused Floyd’s death in the same way you might “Cause” someone’s death if they walk in front of your car

The actions the officer took were apparently department sanctioned, had a perfect record of non fatal use, and the victims demise stems from use of opioids. Which kills many people every year.
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So are you saying he would have died that die, even if he never encountered the cop???
 
Satan killed Floyd in yet another attempt at removing the president and it, it failed.
 
EMNofSeattle said:
The fake news keeps saying this and even many conservatives are parroting this claim without much evidence.
Floyd was not murdered, if you want to stay safe you need to move out of the cities before Chauvin is acquitted

The facts are

A) Floyd was middle aged, a heavy drug user (more on that in a minute), and a generally unhealthy
B) Floyd’s autopsy shows no asphyxiation (ignore the Baden exam it’s a lie) he Was able to breathe the entire time. He was intoxicated on fentanyl at the time of his death

County Officials Rule George Floyd Death Was A Homicide : NPR

According to addictionhope.com, febtanyl is very dangerous and even small amounts can cause overdoses even through skin absorption. Cardiac arrest is common. Another effect of fentanyl is decreasing the ability of the lungs to absorb oxygen meaning that it’s likely Floyd was never able to effectively breath even before being restrained.

Fentanyl Deaths: What Happens Physically to Cause Death?

C) there is no evidence Chauvin intended Floyd’s death nor acted recklessly in causing it.
The neck restraint technique has been used 237 times with no fatalities in the last 5 years. The fatality rate was 0.00 when Chauvin used it, meaning he was using a technique with a perfect non lethal record in Minneapolis and which was permitted by MPDs manual. If you’re going to claim Floyd was murdered you need to show officers Chauvin’s actions would have been believed to be deadly by a reasonable person. The MPD manual permitting this as a non lethal technique combined with no known deaths from it in that department would be an argument against that.

D) the detention and arrest of Chauvin was justified
He was clearly intoxicated and in control of a motor vehicle when contacted. This cannot be allowed to continue.

In the event that the specific restraint technique was not justified this would at most be civil wrongful death

E) there is zero evidence of racism in the contact

We need to stop taking black lives matter at their word. They literally have lied about all of their cases. These lies are why we are facing our worst riots since 1968. People in the media should be held accountable
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/// without much evidence /// :2rofll: :laughat:
 
dex4974 said:
Partisans on both sides had their minds made up before anything came to light. The details never matter to most of you.
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^^^ opinion or statement of fact?
 
roughdraft274 said:
Dude. If he was honestly trying to subdue a criminal and had his knee on his back like that just gil he could get hand cuffs on youd have a point. But after the hand cuffs and with three other officers there it was completely unnecessary. If an officer uses a tazer to subdue an attacker or someone fleeing and the man dies its not the cops fault. But if the same man is sitting in the back of the squad car and handcuffed and the cop tazes him just as one last **** you and the guy dies then thats a crime. In my opinion at least 3rd degree murder.

Your arguments are nonsensical.

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Your word salad of blathering nonsense, all of which is unsupported, is nonsensical
 
EMNofSeattle said:
I agree the cop should’ve not been so aggressive on Floyd. I even agree with firing him, but that’s a far cry from insisting this was a racially motivated murder

This is why we need to begin regulating the media and not allow false narratives to be set. The riots coming in 18 to 24 months will be horrific because of this lie
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///regulating the media /// Pssst. This isn't N.Korea or China.
 
EMNofSeattle said:
I don’t think it’s even that.

If the autopsy shows the death is caused by the decedent’s intoxication on fentanyl and the triggering event was a sanctioned restraint linked to no previous deaths, and the decedents claims of being unable to breath are consistent with fentanyl use and also medical aid HAD been called for Mr. Floyd then I don’t see where recklessness or depraved indifference was a factor.

Really I think the only reason this officer would ever get convicted is because of the riots. No riot=no charges and that’s a bad way to do justice.
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Sometimes you need to make an example of someone to assuage the anger of the people. The police showed complete indifference for the life of this man. There was no other choice but to charge them.
 
roughdraft274 said:
Dude. If he was honestly trying to subdue a criminal and had his knee on his back like that just gil he could get hand cuffs on youd have a point. But after the hand cuffs and with three other officers there it was completely unnecessary. If an officer uses a tazer to subdue an attacker or someone fleeing and the man dies its not the cops fault. But if the same man is sitting in the back of the squad car and handcuffed and the cop tazes him just as one last **** you and the guy dies then thats a crime. In my opinion at least 3rd degree murder.

Your arguments are nonsensical.

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Racists gotta be racist, man.
 
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