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Americans Distracted, Virginia Governor Signs Gun Control Legislation

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During a national crisis, Virginia Governor Ralph Northam signed 5 new gun control measures into law including universal background checks, red flag laws and limiting gun purchases per month. What a piece of work to use a national disaster to take advantage of gun control legislation when his failed attempt earlier this year led to mass protests and Second Amendment sanctuaries. Red flag laws are very troubling in that they remove due process and will inevitably be taken advantaged of and/or abused. Great work Blackface Northam .. hopefully Virginians take notice and vote you out of office.

Virginia governor signs background checks, 'red flag' and other gun control bills into law
 
jotathought said:
During a national crisis, Virginia Governor Ralph Northam signed 5 new gun control measures into law including universal background checks, red flag laws and limiting gun purchases per month. What a piece of work to use a national disaster to take advantage of gun control legislation when his failed attempt earlier this year led to mass protests and Second Amendment sanctuaries. Red flag laws are very troubling in that they remove due process and will inevitably be taken advantaged of and/or abused. Great work Blackface Northam .. hopefully Virginians take notice and vote you out of office.

Virginia governor signs background checks, 'red flag' and other gun control bills into law
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Red flag laws remove due process? I was under the impression that a judge has to grant them, like restraining orders?
 
jotathought said:
During a national crisis, Virginia Governor Ralph Northam signed 5 new gun control measures into law including universal background checks, red flag laws and limiting gun purchases per month. What a piece of work to use a national disaster to take advantage of gun control legislation when his failed attempt earlier this year led to mass protests and Second Amendment sanctuaries. Red flag laws are very troubling in that they remove due process and will inevitably be taken advantaged of and/or abused. Great work Blackface Northam .. hopefully Virginians take notice and vote you out of office.

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Pretty much a given, as Virginia has a one term limit, four years.

Maybe you all can replace your Senators.......
 
lwf said:
Red flag laws remove due process? I was under the impression that a judge has to grant them, like restraining orders?
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Red Flag laws allow courts to issue protection orders and allow law enforcement to confiscate firearms most often based on the request from concerned relatives or friends. The defendant may not have even committed a crime.
 
Rexedgar said:
Pretty much a given, as Virginia has a one term limit, four years.

Maybe you all can replace your Senators.......
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I completely agree .. Senators and representatives should have term limits and I'd vote them all out. Fresh ideas and no career politicians.
 
jotathought said:
Red Flag laws allow courts to issue protection orders and allow law enforcement to confiscate firearms most often based on the request from concerned relatives or friends. The defendant may not have even committed a crime.
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But they are temporary, right? The firearm must be returned after a period of time. And the defendant must have made a threat of some kind or be judged to be an extreme risk.
 
He's a special POS, isn't he?
 
lwf said:
But they are temporary, right? The firearm must be returned after a period of time. And the defendant must have made a threat of some kind or be judged to be an extreme risk.
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That's the problem .. red flag laws are vaguely and subjectively worded to target a "significant threat" or "clear and evident" or "significant risk." These have a broad spectrum of meaning across different groups of people. It's a quintessential "Minority Report" moment where firearms will be confiscated based on the predictions of what could happen.
 
ChezC3 said:
He's a special POS, isn't he?
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jotathought said:
That's the problem .. red flag laws are vaguely and subjectively worded to target a "significant threat" or "clear and evident" or "significant risk." These have a broad spectrum of meaning across different groups of people. It's a quintessential "Minority Report" moment where firearms will be confiscated based on the predictions of what could happen.
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Short memories, eh, what?

Did Trump Say 'We're Going to Take the Firearms First and Then Go to Court'?
 
Sounds good to me.

If you are a sane gun owner, a law abiding citizen, doesn't sound as though you have anything to worry about.
 
hermit said:
Sounds good to me.

If you are a sane gun owner, a law abiding citizen, doesn't sound as though you have anything to worry about.
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I don't think that's the case though with the vaguely worded nomenclature of these Red Flag laws. In theory (haven't confirmed this, but this is the direction I believe it will go), a pissed off gun owning neighbor who gets into a loud, verbal argument could be referred to law enforcement as a "significant threat."
 
Rexedgar said:
Short memories, eh, what?

Did Trump Say 'We're Going to Take the Firearms First and Then Go to Court'?
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No, I'm constantly reminded of the pathetic gotcha games played by the Unthinking Left. Giving boxed quotes, changing context, purposefully misinterpreting, ignoring intention, using laughably biased "fact checkers" to confirm already agreed upon conclusions...

I could have the attention span of a crack-head cocker spaniel and still have this at the forefront of my mind each day...
 
ChezC3 said:
No, I'm constantly reminded of the pathetic gotcha games played by the Unthinking Left. Giving boxed quotes, changing context, purposefully misinterpreting, ignoring intention, using laughably biased "fact checkers" to confirm already agreed upon conclusions...

I could have the attention span of a crack-head cocker spaniel and still have this at the forefront of my mind each day...
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You need another source? I heard the remarks ‘live.’ Why do your hate dogs?
 
jotathought said:
That's the problem .. red flag laws are vaguely and subjectively worded to target a "significant threat" or "clear and evident" or "significant risk." These have a broad spectrum of meaning across different groups of people. It's a quintessential "Minority Report" moment where firearms will be confiscated based on the predictions of what could happen.
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Stop the nonsense. The gun owner who acts responsibly has no reason to fear this law.
 
jotathought said:
I don't think that's the case though with the vaguely worded nomenclature of these Red Flag laws. In theory (haven't confirmed this, but this is the direction I believe it will go), a pissed off gun owning neighbor who gets into a loud, verbal argument could be referred to law enforcement as a "significant threat."
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Just a thought, but maybe he IS a threat. Is it wrong to check him/her out?
 
lwf said:
Red flag laws remove due process? I was under the impression that a judge has to grant them, like restraining orders?
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Something like a Red Flag Law can be abused.

Kinda like the Euro idiots and their hate speech laws. They leave the definition of "hate speech" so broad it's abused constantly.
 
jamesbyoung said:
Stop the nonsense. The gun owner who acts responsibly has no reason to fear this law.
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I don't think it's nonsense at all .. in most cases, the defendant cannot present a defense until a final hearing and this is already after they have had their firearms confiscated, and some states have already baked in provisions to penalize maliciously false accusations (e.g. former partner or family member seeking revenge).
 
Rexedgar said:
I’m fluent in four, you?
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Very good. Molto bene! Sehr gut! Très Bien! Muy Bueno! Watashi nani? (Non opus ostentationem)
 
jotathought said:
During a national crisis, Virginia Governor Ralph Northam signed 5 new gun control measures into law including universal background checks, red flag laws and limiting gun purchases per month. What a piece of work to use a national disaster to take advantage of gun control legislation when his failed attempt earlier this year led to mass protests and Second Amendment sanctuaries. Red flag laws are very troubling in that they remove due process and will inevitably be taken advantaged of and/or abused. Great work Blackface Northam .. hopefully Virginians take notice and vote you out of office.

Virginia governor signs background checks, 'red flag' and other gun control bills into law
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Sitting Virginia governors cannot run for re-election. The are prohibited from holding the office for 2 consecutive terms.
 
hermit said:
Just a thought, but maybe he IS a threat. Is it wrong to check him/her out?
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I'm not finding a whole lot of information on the process steps between the initial contact with law enforcement and petitioning the court for a restraining order. The way I read it, law enforcement isn't investigating between initial contact and petitioning the court, and those being targeted for confiscation are often unaware and may not even be a criminal or committed a crime.
 
jamesbyoung
Stop the nonsense. The gun owner who acts responsibly has no reason to fear this law.

jotathought said:
I don't think it's nonsense at all .. in most cases, the defendant cannot present a defense until a final hearing and this is already after they have had their firearms confiscated, and some states have already baked in provisions to penalize maliciously false accusations (e.g. former partner or family member seeking revenge).
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Those are good in nature. Any problems need to worked out by the legislature and handled by local law enforcement.
 
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