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Do Democrats think all religious views must be subjected to leftist secularist approval?

Christians do not attack savages in homosexual churches but homosexuals have attacked Christian churches in my lifetime.

and another posted lie

people, who claim to be Christians most certainly have attacked homosxuslas in your life time

LOL man this keeps getting better and better
 
Re: Spirit in the sky

Originally Posted by southwest88
No. See Indigenous peoples of the Americas - Wikipedia

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God was here first, and from the beginning of American immigration He allowed squatters to come and set up homesteads here according to His permissive will.

Oh, I'm sorry. You had said Christians in the first iteration - I assumed you were talking about corporeal beings.

American immigration, eh? Of course, He knew that some obscure mapmaker would have the hemisphere named after him, hmm?
 
Discriminating against skin color is wrong. Discriminating against sin is not wrong.
Refusing to acknowledge that you made a false statement is wrong.
 
Actually, the Natives were there first.

God was here, then humans were, just as in other nations around the world. The unanswered question here, therefore, is who gets to claim the land is their own? The first to settle? Maybe not. Look at the common impression from millions around the world that the Palestinians own the land Israel claims as its own. Do the earliest settlers have a priority right to claim the property, or do late comers have equal rights?

God gave the Jews the land of Judea 4,000 years ago by an everlasting covenant. The Palestinians have never owned the land at any time in human history, yet enemies of Israel claim the Jews have stolen the land from the Palestinians. That is foolishness.

However, how are land disputes settled? For six thousand years land disputes have been settled by wars. God gave the Jews the land but then allowed the Romans to drive them off in war. As a result of atrocities of WW2 the world governing body gave a small portion of the original land of Judea back to Israel for a homeland. Arabs refused to ratify any agreement which allowed the Jews to occupy that small portion of the land and have been fighting Israel over the property ever since. Hostilities reached a boiling point in 1967 with 20 Arab nations joining together to drive the Jews into the sea in open intention of committing genocide. The Jews were not in favor of the Arab plan so they struck first and, with God's help, devastated their enemies in the Six Days War, recovering more land that originally belonged to them 4,000 years ago.

American Indians did not own the land. Mexican settlers did not own the land of America. Spanish and English settlers did not own the land. God owned the land and He allowed European settlers to come here to flee religious persecution in Europe.,
 
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God was here, then humans were, just as in other nations around the world. The unanswered question here, therefore, is who gets to claim the land is their own? The first to settle? Maybe not. Look at the common impression from millions around the world that the Palestinians own the land Israel claims as its own. Do the earliest settlers have a priority right to claim the property, or do late comers have equal rights?

God gave the Jews the land of Judea 4,000 years ago by an everlasting covenant. The Palestinians have never owned the land at any time in human history, yet enemies of Israel claim the Jews have stolen the land from the Palestinians. That is foolishness.




American Indians did not own the land. Mexican settlers did not own the land of America. Spanish and English settlers did not own the land. God owned the land and He allowed European settlers to come here to flee religious persecution in Europe.,

So do God & the Jews still have an everlasting covenant? & if so, Did God abandon the Jews in Europe from 1931 - 1945CE? What did the Jews do to God to provoke that? & whatever it was that the Jews did, Did that abrogate the covenant?

Yes, Spain & Portugal between them split the Americas (actually, the unclaimed World - per the Treaty of Tordesillas in 1494CE - with the blessing of the Pope & the Roman Catholic Church. Further treaties refined the demarcations. See Treaty of Tordesillas - Wikipedia). Mexican settlers were grandfathered in as heirs of the Spanish Empire, of course. The English settlers were dead last in the colonization rush, as I recall.
 
It seems modern leftist Americans have no mercy on Christians who stand against homosexuality because God opposes sodomy. Should the state allow those Christians to be destroyed by the wicked for refusing to compromise their beliefs in the face of growing hostility against Christian beliefs?



Govt punishment of NM photographer stands, compelled speech problem unresolved…for now

Democrats on American rights and freedoms: You have the freedom to accept and promote sodomy or you have the right to shut the hell up.
 
Do androids dream of electric sheep?

It seems modern leftist Americans have no mercy on Christians who stand against homosexuality because God opposes sodomy. Should the state allow those Christians to be destroyed by the wicked for refusing to compromise their beliefs in the face of growing hostility against Christian beliefs?

Govt punishment of NM photographer stands, compelled speech problem unresolved…for now

Is that the right link? I get some article about people suing US military chaplains.
 
You think a country which protects the rights of Christians to freely exercise their religious views is some sort of bad theocracy? No wonder democrats hate Trump and his supporters.

Discriminating against other Americans based on your religious beliefs is not a "Religious freedom". Christians of all people are instructed to turn the other cheek. Perverting the words of the Bible is not very christian of you.
 
Well I went to the Town Hall site, right leaning of-course, and read the story. What it seems to leave out is the details as to why there were complaints to to postings. I always find that suspicious to say the least. I would also ask what does homosexuality have to do with the thread topic. One Final note, not all Chaplin's are Christians, something the OP obviously dies not know. Sounds like more research is in order if one really wants the truth here.
 
In the US, religious practices must pass Constitutional muster

You think a country which protects the rights of Christians to freely exercise their religious views is some sort of bad theocracy? No wonder democrats hate Trump and his supporters.

The rights of religious believers to exercise their religion in the US is not unlimited. There are considerations of time & place, for instance.

democrats hate Trump and his supporters - Because Trump & supporters are Christians? If Trump is Christian, he's the first one I've heard of who's been involved in bankruptcies, married & divorced various times (he's up to #3, is it?), apparently paid hush money to a former girlfriend, admitted uttering & committing sexual outrages, & so on.

his supporters? - I have no idea if they're Christian or not. Does it matter, for the present purposes?
 
Re: Do androids dream of electric sheep?

Is that the right link? I get some article about people suing US military chaplains.

I don't doubt it. Democrats have developed new and more brutal ways of forcing their ungodly agenda on all Americans through frivilous lawsuits and crooked court decisions, whether most Americans like it or not.
 
Discriminating against other Americans based on your religious beliefs is not a "Religious freedom". Christians of all people are instructed to turn the other cheek. Perverting the words of the Bible is not very christian of you.

Homosexuals and communists, and other assorted godless people with ungodly views and agendas, do not have any right to try to force their views onto Christians through discrimination.
 
Re: In the US, religious practices must pass Constitutional muster

The rights of religious believers to exercise their religion in the US is not unlimited. There are considerations of time & place, for instance.

democrats hate Trump and his supporters - Because Trump & supporters are Christians? If Trump is Christian, he's the first one I've heard of who's been involved in bankruptcies, married & divorced various times (he's up to #3, is it?), apparently paid hush money to a former girlfriend, admitted uttering & committing sexual outrages, & so on.

his supporters? - I have no idea if they're Christian or not. Does it matter, for the present purposes?

I wasn't saying democrats hate Trump because he is a Christian. They hate him because he listens to Christians and helps them fight against evil and for good.
 
I think all religions should be questioned to see if the claims of the holy book are accurate according to the world we live in
 
Re: Do androids dream of electric sheep?

I don't doubt it. Democrats have developed new and more brutal ways of forcing their ungodly agenda on all Americans through frivilous lawsuits and crooked court decisions, whether most Americans like it or not.

Oh wont somebody please think of the christians?!
 
Re: Do androids dream of electric sheep?

I don't doubt it. Democrats have developed new and more brutal ways of forcing their ungodly agenda on all Americans through frivilous lawsuits and crooked court decisions, whether most Americans like it or not.

& so you claim that Democrats are ungodly? Is that neutral towards religion, like agnostics? & here I thought that the big knock on Democrats in the US traditionally was that they were too ethnic, too religious (recently, often Roman Catholic), too clannish, too other - as opposed to the average US citizen? The criticism on religious grounds is funny, I think. Here the Irish & Hispanics in general used to be accused of being Papist spies (or worse - people with divided loyalties). TMK, the rise of Irish political power in the US had to do with their cohesiveness on political issues - which was @ least partially grounded in their religious life & having Irish clergy & brothers & nuns - but maybe I misunderstood.
 
Re: In the US, religious practices must pass Constitutional muster

I wasn't saying democrats hate Trump because he is a Christian. They hate him because he listens to Christians and helps them fight against evil and for good.

Politics in the US is about good & evil? That's surprising - I assume that good in the US means good for the growth & development of the US.

But in the terms you're discussing, I think you'd do better to quit talking about good & just cut to the chase - talk about godliness.
 
Homosexuals and communists, and other assorted godless people with ungodly views and agendas, do not have any right to try to force their views onto Christians through discrimination.

There is no one "forcing their views". Baking a cake or taking a picture has nothing to do with religion.
 
Re: Do androids dream of electric sheep?

& so you claim that Democrats are ungodly? Is that neutral towards religion, like agnostics? & here I thought that the big knock on Democrats in the US traditionally was that they were too ethnic, too religious (recently, often Roman Catholic), too clannish, too other - as opposed to the average US citizen? The criticism on religious grounds is funny, I think. Here the Irish & Hispanics in general used to be accused of being Papist spies (or worse - people with divided loyalties). TMK, the rise of Irish political power in the US had to do with their cohesiveness on political issues - which was @ least partially grounded in their religious life & having Irish clergy & brothers & nuns - but maybe I misunderstood.

Democrats make themselves partakers of wickedness by supporting abortion, homosexuality and school bans on God, the Bible, prayer and Christian witnessing. They pride themselves in their efforts to shut churches down along with Christian preaching, education and counselling.
 
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There is no one "forcing their views". Baking a cake or taking a picture has nothing to do with religion.

Baking a cake has noithing to do with religion and neither does homosexuality. Tell gays to keep their sex at home and not try to force Christian bakers to accept the homosexual lifestyle or else.
 
Baking a cake has noithing to do with religion and neither does homosexuality. Tell gays to keep their sex at home and not try to force Christian bakers to accept the homosexual lifestyle or else.

Baking a cake for gays does not force anyone to accept their "lifestyle" anymore than baking a cake for a black man turns people black.
 
Baking a cake has noithing to do with religion and neither does homosexuality. Tell gays to keep their sex at home and not try to force Christian bakers to accept the homosexual lifestyle or else.

Stay in private accommodation. It really is that simple. You agree to be about Lucre not Morals every time it comes up in public accommodation.
 
Re: Do androids dream of electric sheep?

Democrats make themselves partakers of wickedness by supporting abortion, homosexuality and school bans on God, the Bible, prayer and Christian witnessing. They pride themselves in their efforts to shut churches down along with Christian preaching, education and counselling.

partakers of wickedness - Yah. You might as well just write sinners. I believe everyone here understands that that's what you mean; no need to sugarcoat it for us.

school bans on God, the Bible, prayer and Christian witnessing - US public education K-12 is secular by design, as is the Constitution. There is no established religion in the US; they all have to scratch to support themselves as best they can. That seems to have worked out well for us here - as opposed to the European established churches, which seem to be struggling for support & members. All of those items listed can be addressed in public schools - but the various religious communities typically want their own religion presented in an exemplary way - favored by the state, in other words. & the state won't do that - & so the other solution is to treat only secular subjects in the public schools, or to treat all subjects from a secular POV.

[Democrats] shut churches down along with Christian preaching, education and counselling. TMK, people everywhere in the US are free to establish their own schools - as Catholicism established parochial schools @ the turn of the 20th century - or homeschool their children, if they prefer. Some churches run separate & specialized catechism classes, to supplement the secular public schooling with religious/moral instruction of that denomination. This seems like a workable compromise - Why do you think the state should be involved in religious issues?

& I like the phrase Christian preaching. Which one is the real one? Roman Catholicism? M. Luther? Calvin? the Quakers? the Mormons? the Jehovah's Witnesses? (& that doesn't begin to address Judaism, Islam, Buddhism, Hinduism, nor any of the other religions of the World.) & how should the state choose the one to favor? If it's in terms of the most adherents, Wouldn't that mean Catholicism?
 
Baking a cake for gays does not force anyone to accept their "lifestyle" anymore than baking a cake for a black man turns people black.

If the gays had not been making a federal case out of their homosexuality then the baker would likely have baked them a cake without objection. But when the gays drug their sexual orientation into the cake shop then their either knowingly or ignorantly forced the Christian baker to take a public stand against their perversion. The gays should have kept their happy life choices from becoming a challenge to the Christian's beliefs.
 
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